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The difference between machines and free weights - I've been lifting for maybe four months now. When I started, I used the machines. After using them for a while, my russian friend scolded me for using the machines saying that it's a far better workout and far more effective use of time to..

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What other types of barbell and weights should I buy? - I am trying to set things up so that i won't have to switch plates much during my free weight training. I have the - a recline bench (simple one that take no - 2 pairs of dumb bell: 5 lbs and 10lb - 2 pairs of 2 lb weight plates..

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Vedran Presecki

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:07 pm
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Do anybody know benefits of classic free weight equipment against

compressed air equipment?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed air equipment? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:07:11 +0100, "Vedran Presecki" <vedran.presecki_remove_this DeleteThis @bj.htnet.hr> wrote: >Do anybody know benefits of classic free weight equipment against > >compressed air equipment? > Do anybody knows english? >> Stay informed about: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed..

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed air equipment? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Vedran Presecki" <vedran.presecki_remove_this.RemoveThis@bj.htnet.hr> wrote in message news:dlk22f$dgg$1@ss405.t-com.hr... > Do anybody know benefits of classic free weight equipment against > > compressed air equipment? Please give an example of compressed air equipment. -S- http://www.kbnj.com >> Stay informed about: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed..

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed air equipment? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Vedran Presecki" <vedran.presecki_remove_this RemoveThis @bj.htnet.hr> writes: > Do anybody know benefits of classic free weight equipment against > compressed air equipment? Well, classic free weights are certainly a lot less expensive. and compressed air equipment forces your body to move along preset tracks, that might be a good idea when rehabilitating certain problems, but it's generally not a good idea when trying to get stronger. Jason >> Stay informed about: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed..

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:08 pm Post subject: Re: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed air equipment? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

spodosaurus <spodosaurus DeleteThis @_yahoo_.com> writes: > Steve Freides wrote: >> "spodosaurus" <spodosaurus DeleteThis @_yahoo_.com> wrote in message >> news:437df31d@quokka.wn.com.au... >> >>>Steve Freides wrote: >>> >>>> "Vedran Presecki" <vedran.presecki_remove_this DeleteThis @bj.htnet.hr> wrote >>>> in message news:dlk22f$dgg$1@ss405.t-com.hr... >>>> >>>> >>>>>Do anybody know benefits of classic free weight equipment against >>>>> >>>>>compressed air equipment? >>>> >>>> >>>>Please give an example of compressed air equipment. >>>> >>>>-S- >>>>http://www.kbnj.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> It's often used in rehab work. See also pneumatic resistance >>> training equipment. >> I think this is a version of the often-asked "machines or free >> weights" question - that's what I was trying to get at. >> > > No, it isn't. He's grouping anything that uses plates, be they free > weights or in a stack, in one category and pneumatic resistance in > another. And... Doesn't it mostly boil down to the same problems with machines vs. free weights? Pneumatics have the same fixed motions, and the same high cost. Yes, it's somewhat easier to vary the resistance at various points during the movement, but the same thing can be done with bands or chains when using free weights. It is somewhat harder to drop a pneumatic machine on your foot. Jason >> Stay informed about: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed..

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed air equipment? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Lee Michaels" <leemichaelsnadaspam@comcast.net> writes: > "Jason Earl" <jearl.DeleteThis@xmission.com> wrote >> >> And... Doesn't it mostly boil down to the same problems with machines >> vs. free weights? Pneumatics have the same fixed motions, and the >> same high cost. Yes, it's somewhat easier to vary the resistance at >> various points during the movement, but the same thing can be done >> with bands or chains when using free weights. It is somewhat harder >> to drop a pneumatic machine on your foot. > > It has been a long time since I even heard of pneumatic equipment. > And the primary thing I remember about it us that it has no > eccentric component. thereby greatly decreasing its value. > Apparently this greatly reduces any strength carry over effect to > any other activity. > > It would seem that this sort of thing would only be beneficial to > the extremely weak or injured. That's what I figured. And the funny thing about free weights is that on most movements you can always use less weight. Jason >> Stay informed about: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed..

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed air equipment? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Steve Freides" <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message news:3u65i5Fvoqh4U1@individual.net... > "Vedran Presecki" <vedran.presecki_remove_this DeleteThis @bj.htnet.hr> wrote in > message news:dlk22f$dgg$1@ss405.t-com.hr... >> Do anybody know benefits of classic free weight equipment against >> >> compressed air equipment? > > Please give an example of compressed air equipment. > air hammer >> Stay informed about: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed..

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed air equipment? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

I think that my grammatic error is no problem for someone here on news groop to understand what I ask if this person want to help me with simple question on which I need answer, but if someone want to rib me down and show his behaviour and personality, be pleased... "Twat Lover" <TwatLover RemoveThis @Cherrter.net> wrote in message news:87drn19tm4b3cnmaoequ3ga40842rtjk09@4ax.com... > On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 09:07:11 +0100, "Vedran Presecki" > <vedran.presecki_remove_this RemoveThis @bj.htnet.hr> wrote: > > >Do anybody know benefits of classic free weight equipment against > > > >compressed air equipment? > > > > Do anybody knows english? >> Stay informed about: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed..

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:09 pm Post subject: Re: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed air equipment? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:09:26 +0100, "Vedran Presecki" <vedran.presecki_remove_this DeleteThis @bj.htnet.hr> wrote: >I think that my grammatic error is no problem >for someone here on news groop to understand >what I ask if this person want to help me with >simple question on which I need answer, but if >someone want to rib me down and show his >behaviour and personality, be pleased... > I knows you not english, butt me nose you dumbazz >> Stay informed about: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed..

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 5:23 pm Post subject: Re: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed air equipment? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Jason Earl" <jearl.RemoveThis@xmission.com> wrote > > And... Doesn't it mostly boil down to the same problems with machines > vs. free weights? Pneumatics have the same fixed motions, and the > same high cost. Yes, it's somewhat easier to vary the resistance at > various points during the movement, but the same thing can be done > with bands or chains when using free weights. It is somewhat harder > to drop a pneumatic machine on your foot. > It has been a long time since I even heard of pneumatic equipment. And the primary thing I remember about it us that it has no eccentric component. thereby greatly decreasing its value. Apparently this greatly reduces any strength carry over effect to any other activity. It would seem that this sort of thing would only be beneficial to the extremely weak or injured. >> Stay informed about: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed..

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:25 am Post subject: Re: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed air equipment? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Steve Freides" <steve RemoveThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message news:3u65i5Fvoqh4U1@individual.net... > "Vedran Presecki" <vedran.presecki_remove_this RemoveThis @bj.htnet.hr> wrote in > message news:dlk22f$dgg$1@ss405.t-com.hr... > > Do anybody know benefits of classic free weight equipment against > > > > compressed air equipment? > > Please give an example of compressed air equipment. Kaiser is most knowing, simlilar is Hydra gym... > > -S- > http://www.kbnj.com > > >> Stay informed about: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed..

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:25 am Post subject: Re: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed air equipment? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"Vedran Presecki" <vedran.presecki_remove_this.TakeThisOut@bj.htnet.hr> wrote in message news:dllgrt$sk7$1@ss405.t-com.hr... > > "Steve Freides" <steve.TakeThisOut@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message > news:3u65i5Fvoqh4U1@individual.net... >> "Vedran Presecki" <vedran.presecki_remove_this.TakeThisOut@bj.htnet.hr> wrote in >> message news:dlk22f$dgg$1@ss405.t-com.hr... >> > Do anybody know benefits of classic free weight equipment against >> > >> > compressed air equipment? >> >> Please give an example of compressed air equipment. > > Kaiser is most knowing, simlilar is Hydra gym... > >> The local Bally's had a bunch of Kaiser equipment- totally useless and almost never used. The action really didn't feel right. They may have some place in rehab, although I doubt they would even be good for that. >> Stay informed about: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed..

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 1:26 am Post subject: Re: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed air equipment? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"David Jr" <DavidJr.RemoveThis@perverted.net> wrote in message news:6cmrn1d8f5n616bnuf2chumfc5cn2fpvf2@4ax.com... > On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 14:09:26 +0100, "Vedran Presecki" > <vedran.presecki_remove_this.RemoveThis@bj.htnet.hr> wrote: > > >I think that my grammatic error is no problem > >for someone here on news groop to understand > >what I ask if this person want to help me with > >simple question on which I need answer, but if > >someone want to rib me down and show his > >behaviour and personality, be pleased... > > > > I knows you not english, butt me nose you dumbazz So what, if I am not english???? >> Stay informed about: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed..

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:32 am Post subject: Re: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed air [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Steve Freides wrote: > "Vedran Presecki" <vedran.presecki_remove_this.RemoveThis@bj.htnet.hr> wrote in > message news:dlk22f$dgg$1@ss405.t-com.hr... > >>Do anybody know benefits of classic free weight equipment against >> >>compressed air equipment? > > > Please give an example of compressed air equipment. > > -S- > http://www.kbnj.com > > It's often used in rehab work. See also pneumatic resistance training equipment. Ari -- spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: http://www.abmdr.org.au/ http://www.marrow.org/ >> Stay informed about: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed..

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2005 2:32 am Post subject: Re: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed air equipment? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus.RemoveThis@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message news:437df31d@quokka.wn.com.au... > Steve Freides wrote: >> "Vedran Presecki" <vedran.presecki_remove_this.RemoveThis@bj.htnet.hr> wrote in >> message news:dlk22f$dgg$1@ss405.t-com.hr... >> >>>Do anybody know benefits of classic free weight equipment against >>> >>>compressed air equipment? >> >> >> Please give an example of compressed air equipment. >> >> -S- >> http://www.kbnj.com >> >> > > It's often used in rehab work. See also pneumatic resistance training > equipment. I think this is a version of the often-asked "machines or free weights" question - that's what I was trying to get at. -S- http://www.kbnj.com > Ari > > -- > spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply > > I'm going to die rather sooner than I'd like. I tried to protect my > neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in > hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a > bone marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a > marrow transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor: > http://www.abmdr.org.au/ > http://www.marrow.org/ >> Stay informed about: free weights classic strength equipment against compressed..

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