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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:03 am Post subject: SamE = fat and happy? Archived from groups: misc>fitness>weights (more info?)

I started taking SamE about two weeks ago. My hope for it was to reduce some sleep disturbances and "mood enhancement", i.e., help me be less of a raving bitch under pressure. It's working. My insomnia is much better (ignore that I'm posting this at midnight) and I've been practically jolly lately. The problem is, my jolliness has taken the form of eating an extra cookie (be of good cheer, have some fruit cake) and I've slacked off a bit on my workouts. I meant to squat today but said "aw heck" and came home. Aw heck? Is this the SamE talking? Does it affect others this way, turning them into declawed pussycats? It's nice to be cheerful. But I want to be cheerful AND cut. Anyone else have experience with this? Dally >> Stay informed about: SamE = fat and happy?

Bagpip

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:03 am
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>help me be less of a raving bitch>

You're looking for an impossible dream.

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JMW

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:36 am Post subject: Re: SamE = fat and happy? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Dally <Dally.RemoveThis@myself.com> wrote: >I started taking SamE about two weeks ago. My hope for it was to reduce >some sleep disturbances and "mood enhancement", i.e., help me be less of >a raving bitch under pressure. > >It's working. My insomnia is much better (ignore that I'm posting this >at midnight) and I've been practically jolly lately. The problem is, my >jolliness has taken the form of eating an extra cookie (be of good >cheer, have some fruit cake) and I've slacked off a bit on my workouts. > I meant to squat today but said "aw heck" and came home. > >Aw heck? > >Is this the SamE talking? Does it affect others this way, turning them >into declawed pussycats? It's nice to be cheerful. But I want to be >cheerful AND cut. > >Anyone else have experience with this? Yes. You need to stack it with the right stuff. Email me. >> Stay informed about: SamE = fat and happy?

Curt James

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:34 am Post subject: Re: SamE = fat and happy? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

JMW <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> wrote: >Dally <Dally.TakeThisOut@myself.com> wrote: > >>I started taking SamE about two weeks ago. My hope for it was to reduce >>some sleep disturbances and "mood enhancement", i.e., help me be less of >>a raving bitch under pressure. >> >>It's working. My insomnia is much better (ignore that I'm posting this >>at midnight) and I've been practically jolly lately. The problem is, my >>jolliness has taken the form of eating an extra cookie (be of good >>cheer, have some fruit cake) and I've slacked off a bit on my workouts. >> I meant to squat today but said "aw heck" and came home. >> >>Aw heck? >> >>Is this the SamE talking? Does it affect others this way, turning them >>into declawed pussycats? It's nice to be cheerful. But I want to be >>cheerful AND cut. >> >>Anyone else have experience with this? > >Yes. You need to stack it with the right stuff. Email me. Dally, let me know if his response is simply a copy and paste of SAMe info found on the Web. Or not. Meh. Here's some interesting reading, if you're so inclined: http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/sad_0231.shtml http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/epcsums/samesum.htm http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.same.html http://www.biopsychiatry.com/sameart.html -- Curt http://curtjames.com/ >> Stay informed about: SamE = fat and happy?

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:48 am Post subject: Re: SamE = fat and happy? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

Curt James <cwj111.DeleteThis@psu.edu> wrote: >JMW <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> wrote: > >>Dally <Dally.DeleteThis@myself.com> wrote: >> >>>I started taking SamE about two weeks ago. My hope for it was to reduce >>>some sleep disturbances and "mood enhancement", i.e., help me be less of >>>a raving bitch under pressure. >>> >>>It's working. My insomnia is much better (ignore that I'm posting this >>>at midnight) and I've been practically jolly lately. The problem is, my >>>jolliness has taken the form of eating an extra cookie (be of good >>>cheer, have some fruit cake) and I've slacked off a bit on my workouts. >>> I meant to squat today but said "aw heck" and came home. >>> >>>Aw heck? >>> >>>Is this the SamE talking? Does it affect others this way, turning them >>>into declawed pussycats? It's nice to be cheerful. But I want to be >>>cheerful AND cut. >>> >>>Anyone else have experience with this? >> >>Yes. You need to stack it with the right stuff. Email me. > >Dally, let me know if his response is simply a copy and paste of SAMe >info found on the Web. Or not. Meh. Here's some interesting reading, >if you're so inclined: > >http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/sad_0231.shtml >http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/epcsums/samesum.htm >http://www.psycom.net/depression.central.same.html >http://www.biopsychiatry.com/sameart.html Or ask Cohen if I know what I'm talking about. >> Stay informed about: SamE = fat and happy?

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 5:24 am Post subject: Re: SamE = fat and happy? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

JMW <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote: >Or ask Cohen if I know what I'm talking about. Why? What're you holding over Cohen's head? You've got dirt on Om. C'mon, what's Cohen gone and done? He mentioned the FBI and the DOJ. Poor bastard. HEY COHEN, EITHER DOJ OR FBI GOT A DEPARTMENT OF MISSING PERSONS? HOW ABOUT A DEPARTMENT OF MISSING PERSONALITIES??? WILLIAMS NEEDS HELP!!! -- >> Stay informed about: SamE = fat and happy?

Bagpip

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:58 am Post subject: Re: SamE = fat and happy? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

>Or ask Cohen if I know what I'm talking about.> He told me you were a buttknob. >> Stay informed about: SamE = fat and happy?

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:02 am Post subject: Re: SamE = fat and happy? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Imported from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 10:48 am Post subject: Re: SamE = fat and happy? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

DZ <21570 RemoveThis @254720045.1822716872.19278.11617.4350> wrote: >JMW <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote: >> Or ask Cohen if I know what I'm talking about. > >Can you post the summary here? I prefer not to do so. I'll email it if you're interested. I recall you saying in the past that you weren't interested in a stack that acted as a stimulant. >> Stay informed about: SamE = fat and happy?

WillBrink

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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 3:59 pm Post subject: Re: SamE = fat and happy? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

In article <qv84r1thmg2fj6he3c2ce02rf37s93g1cc RemoveThis @4ax.com>, JMW <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote: > Dally <Dally RemoveThis @myself.com> wrote: > > >I started taking SamE about two weeks ago. My hope for it was to reduce > >some sleep disturbances and "mood enhancement", i.e., help me be less of > >a raving bitch under pressure. > > > >It's working. My insomnia is much better (ignore that I'm posting this > >at midnight) and I've been practically jolly lately. The problem is, my > >jolliness has taken the form of eating an extra cookie (be of good > >cheer, have some fruit cake) and I've slacked off a bit on my workouts. > > I meant to squat today but said "aw heck" and came home. > > > >Aw heck? > > > >Is this the SamE talking? Does it affect others this way, turning them > >into declawed pussycats? It's nice to be cheerful. But I want to be > >cheerful AND cut. > > > >Anyone else have experience with this? > > Yes. You need to stack it with the right stuff. Cocaine? -- Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/ >> Stay informed about: SamE = fat and happy?

WillBrink

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: SamE = fat and happy? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

In article <12909 DeleteThis @3039922182.553826526.23792.31723.24250>, DZ <21570 DeleteThis @254720045.1822716872.19278.11617.4350> wrote: > JMW <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote: > > Or ask Cohen if I know what I'm talking about. > > Can you post the summary here? I know that SAMe needs to be taken with > B vitamins to protect from the increase of homocysteine. Anything > else? I didn't know SAMe raised homocysteine. Is it not also a methyl donor(?), which in theory, should lower homocysteine. Giulidori P, Galli-Kienle M, Catto E, Stramentinoli G. Transmethylation, transsulfuration, and aminopropylation reactions of S- adenosyl-L-methionine in vivo. J Biol Chem 1984;259:4205-11 -- Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/ >> Stay informed about: SamE = fat and happy?

JMW

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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: Re: SamE = fat and happy? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

WillBrink <WillBrinkNOSPAM@Comcast.net> wrote: >In article <12909 DeleteThis @3039922182.553826526.23792.31723.24250>, > DZ <21570 DeleteThis @254720045.1822716872.19278.11617.4350> wrote: > >> JMW <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote: >> > Or ask Cohen if I know what I'm talking about. >> >> Can you post the summary here? I know that SAMe needs to be taken with >> B vitamins to protect from the increase of homocysteine. Anything >> else? > >I didn't know SAMe raised homocysteine. Is it not also a methyl >donor(?), which in theory, should lower homocysteine. > > Giulidori P, Galli-Kienle M, Catto E, Stramentinoli G. >Transmethylation, transsulfuration, and aminopropylation reactions of S- >adenosyl-L-methionine in vivo. J Biol Chem 1984;259:4205-11 No elevation of homocysteine in fifteen test subjects at 1600mg/day of SAMe. Goren JL, Stoll AL, Damico KE, Sarmiento IA, Cohen BM. Bioavailability and lack of toxicity of S-adenosyl-L-methionine (SAMe) in humans. Pharmacotherapy. 2004 Nov;24(11):1501-7. That's way more than I recommend, but like I said, I consider the SAMe to be part of a synergistic mix. You may not remember it, but I discussed this a little bit when we met for dinner in Cambridge. >> Stay informed about: SamE = fat and happy?

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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 5:08 pm Post subject: Re: SamE = fat and happy? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

In article <4km5r1pvl8ahjp0qsqv3u2vgtbdh5fp3s3 RemoveThis @4ax.com>, JMW <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote: > WillBrink <WillBrinkNOSPAM@Comcast.net> wrote: > > >In article <12909 RemoveThis @3039922182.553826526.23792.31723.24250>, > > DZ <21570 RemoveThis @254720045.1822716872.19278.11617.4350> wrote: > > > >> JMW <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote: > >> > Or ask Cohen if I know what I'm talking about. > >> > >> Can you post the summary here? I know that SAMe needs to be taken with > >> B vitamins to protect from the increase of homocysteine. Anything > >> else? > > > >I didn't know SAMe raised homocysteine. Is it not also a methyl > >donor(?), which in theory, should lower homocysteine. > > > > Giulidori P, Galli-Kienle M, Catto E, Stramentinoli G. > >Transmethylation, transsulfuration, and aminopropylation reactions of S- > >adenosyl-L-methionine in vivo. J Biol Chem 1984;259:4205-11 > > > No elevation of homocysteine in fifteen test subjects at 1600mg/day of > SAMe. As a methyl donor, I would have expected to see a drop in homocysteine as you do with other methyl donors. > > Goren JL, Stoll AL, Damico KE, Sarmiento IA, Cohen BM. Bioavailability > and lack of toxicity of S-adenosyl-L-methionine (SAMe) in humans. > Pharmacotherapy. 2004 Nov;24(11):1501-7. > > That's way more than I recommend, but like I said, I consider the SAMe > to be part of a synergistic mix. You may not remember it, but I > discussed this a little bit when we met for dinner in Cambridge. Hmm, I don't recall that conversation. Must have been too much wine! -- Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/ >> Stay informed about: SamE = fat and happy?

Jason Earl

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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: SamE = fat and happy? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

DZ <21570 RemoveThis @254720045.1822716872.19278.11617.4350> writes: > JMW <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote: >> Or ask Cohen if I know what I'm talking about. > > Can you post the summary here? I know that SAMe needs to be taken > with B vitamins to protect from the increase of > homocysteine. Anything else? If you can't post the summary here, then I would be interested in the information that you have. The email address that I use for USENET is valid. Thanks, Jason >> Stay informed about: SamE = fat and happy?

Lee Michaels

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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 7:21 pm Post subject: Re: SamE = fat and happy? [Login to view extended thread Info.] Archived from groups: per prev. post (more info?)

"JMW" <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote in message news:j725r15ilco1v78uhl1igbpb4hb4h1vmu1@4ax.com... > DZ <21570 DeleteThis @254720045.1822716872.19278.11617.4350> wrote: > >>JMW <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote: >>> Or ask Cohen if I know what I'm talking about. >> >>Can you post the summary here? > > I prefer not to do so. I'll email it if you're interested. I recall > you saying in the past that you weren't interested in a stack that > acted as a stimulant. I am interested in this information also. Please e-mail me with the particulars. Thank you. Lee >> Stay informed about: SamE = fat and happy?

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