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Flintstone

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:17 am
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I have read a few threads about this (one had 117 posts) and thought I
would ask if I should exercise when my muscles and joints are aching?

I am 100kg with over 35% fat (According to my scales that test using
electricity ... a rough measure though) and used to do weights when I
was 16-17 ... I am 32 now. I used to be fit but was a hippy for years
and now realize that as my muscles have wasted away I have gained a lot
of fat. My motive in starting training again is to get rid of the fat
and gain some lean body mass.

I also had a bad car accident 4 years ago and had a bad back injury
which causes me a lot of pain if a carry a lot of weight at my front
.... my gut doesn't help there (what is a good exercise for people with
lower back problems? I guess squats are ruled out ... reverse crunches
kill me!)

I am aching from my first workout, I created a workout that didn't
stress my lower back too much which is around 1.5 hours long (maybe I
should split it up). It included (3x10 of each):

Dumbell Bench Press
Lat Pulldowns
Bent Over Rows
Dumbell Curls
Machine Flyes
Tricep Pull Downs
Leg Curls
Crunches
Leg Extensions
Reverse Crunches

As far as equipment I have a stationary bike, balance board, Swiss
ball, barbell, bent barbell, dumbells and a machine (see
http://www.triway-sports.de/fitness_shop/Sportbilder/kettler-classic.jpg)
for a pic.

Is it possible to improve on my workout with the equipment that I have?

I expect quite a long recovery time due to not working out for so long
and having such high fat content.

My question is simple. In my situation is it okay to exercise when my
joints are aching? I am not talking about doing my routine again whilst
they am aching because I think that would injure me but how about using
a stationary bike? Would that be okay if my legs are still aching ...
the bike is the type that measures my pulse and adjusts itself to keep
my heart in the target zone.

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elezarsimeonpapo

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 6:02 pm
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Hello,
I had a same problem as I was experiencing great pain in my foot joints
(ankles). I'd suggest you go see a specialist. In my case, it turned to
be a mild form of arthitis and the doc suggested I stop exercising for
2 weeks. The pain went away and I am in the gym again!
E.S.P.





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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:09 pm
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elezarsimeonpapo DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello,
> I had a same problem as I was experiencing great pain in my foot joints
> (ankles). I'd suggest you go see a specialist. In my case, it turned to
> be a mild form of arthitis and the doc suggested I stop exercising for
> 2 weeks. The pain went away and I am in the gym again!
> E.S.P.

Doctors recommend that you stop exercising for arthritis?

Dally
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:26 pm
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Flintstone wrote:

> I have read a few threads about this (one had 117 posts) and thought I
> would ask if I should exercise when my muscles and joints are aching?

Delayed onset muscle soreness - DOMS - is the feeling you get the day
after you work muscles that are unused to it. The best tonic for that
is hair of the dog that bit you, i.e., do body-weight versions of the
exercises just to move your muscles through the motion. It'll pass in a
day or two (or three) and you can consider it incentive to keep up with
your new weightlifting regimen or you'll get DOMS again. Smile

Aching joints are a bit different. I used to have a lot of aching in my
knees and it wasn't from any specific activity, just being too fat for
the joint. Losing weight was the answer and I just worked through the
ache. The dirty little secret to aching joints is that losing weight is
immensely curative. (I keep seeing fat people getting joint
replacements to cure their pain... but I cured mine by losing 80 pounds.)

But outright joint pain is different. If a specific motion causes your
joint to hurt then stop that motion and ice the joint.

I also had a bad car accident 4 years ago and had a bad back injury
> which causes me a lot of pain if a carry a lot of weight at my front
> ... my gut doesn't help there (what is a good exercise for people with
> lower back problems? I guess squats are ruled out ... reverse crunches
> kill me!)

Someone else needs to answer this. Steve Friedes has come back from
back surgery, IIRC.

> I am aching from my first workout, I created a workout that didn't
> stress my lower back too much which is around 1.5 hours long (maybe I
> should split it up).

A couple of comments on this. You need to not be mean to yourself. If
you set it up so you have to do some herculean effort every time you go
to lift you'll quickly find excuses not to lift. Must better would be
to integrate a chunk of time into your life and THEN up the intensity.
I think 45 minutes of lifting three or four times a week is more than
enough. In your case you're also going to need half an hour of cardio
three or four times a week - on alternate days from weightlifting. This
means you're going to be working out six to eight times a week (with a
rest day.)

Can you fit exercise into your life like this? Can you get it to the
point where you don't argue about doing it any more than you'd argue
about brushing your teeth? Luckily, exercise is a bit addictive and the
benefits create a nice feedback loop, but you still have to do it long
enough to get addicted.

It included (3x10 of each):
>
> Dumbell Bench Press
> Lat Pulldowns
> Bent Over Rows
> Dumbell Curls
> Machine Flyes
> Tricep Pull Downs

That's upper body. You can do that in one day. Add some more shoulder
work. How about dumbbell shoulder presses?

> Leg Curls
> Crunches
> Leg Extensions
> Reverse Crunches

We're not big fans of leg extensions here. I personally like high-bench
step-ups (just hold dumbbells and step onto a platform). Nice for my
glutes and I think it helps my knees.

> As far as equipment I have a stationary bike, balance board, Swiss
> ball, barbell, bent barbell, dumbells and a machine (see
> http://www.triway-sports.de/fitness_shop/Sportbilder/kettler-classic.jpg)
> for a pic.
>
> Is it possible to improve on my workout with the equipment that I have?

The only way I can ride a stationery bike is if I do interval training
on it. It's so very, very boring! But if I'm changing the intensity
every minute I can manage to get through half an hour or so on one.

Besides the boredom issue, you really need to be thinking about cardio
intensity as part of your fat burning plan. You can add intensity to
any cardio activity - just call all out for a minute then do "active
recovery" where you just slow down until you catch your breath and then
ramp it up again.

> I expect quite a long recovery time due to not working out for so long
> and having such high fat content.

You'll be working on this body until the day you die. You can't store
up exercise. It's regular required maintenance.

> My question is simple. In my situation is it okay to exercise when my
> joints are aching?

Again, what kind of aching are we talking about? You sound like you're
mixing up DOMS and joint pain. Be more clear about this.

> I am not talking about doing my routine again whilst
> they am aching because I think that would injure me but how about using
> a stationary bike? Would that be okay if my legs are still aching ...

It's fine to use your bike with DOMS. You'd probably feel better for it.

> the bike is the type that measures my pulse and adjusts itself to keep
> my heart in the target zone.

I don't like those target zones. There's some persistant idea that low
intensity is "fat-burning". No. And there's only something like a 60%
chance that the heart zone it says you have is the heart zone you really
have.

I use a heart rate monitor when laying down an aerobic base for distance
running. When I'm trying to burn fat I do short, intense workouts.

Dally
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 10:32 pm
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Flintstone wrote:
>I am 32 now. I used to be fit but was a hippy for years
> and now realize that as my muscles have wasted away I have gained a lot
> of fat. My motive in starting training again is to get rid of the fat
> and gain some lean body mass.

Yeah those hash brownies and the munchies tend to pack on the weight
over the years!
Besides daily exercise you really need to look over your daily diet and
make changes to lose the gut. Small cahnges, increased exercise and
alot of determination and you can succeed!



joanne
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 1:18 am
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"Flintstone" <ratcliffe_mike.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I have read a few threads about this (one had 117 posts) and thought I
> would ask if I should exercise when my muscles and joints are aching?
>
> I am 100kg with over 35% fat (According to my scales that test using
> electricity ... a rough measure though) and used to do weights when I
> was 16-17 ... I am 32 now. I used to be fit but was a hippy for years
> and now realize that as my muscles have wasted away I have gained a lot
> of fat. My motive in starting training again is to get rid of the fat
> and gain some lean body mass.
>

A hippie born in 1973? Unless you can pull out your tattered copy of The
Last Whole Earth Catalog and actually tried to use the giant rolling paper
that came with Cheech and Chong's Big Bambu you weren't no hippie. Maybe
your mom was a hippie. You were a poser. Now you're a chubby ex-poser with
aching joints.

Okay, that said - I'd recommend keeping the weight workout short and sweet -
45 min. tops - and watch your form. Reverse crunches? That ain't right.
Google some of the myriad suggestions for beginner routines. Your exercise
choices aren't very good.

I'd also say build into it slowly - walk outside for an hour a day, eat
less - that sort of thing. And the joint pain, if you're grimacing, stop -
otherwise carry on.

Good luck.

Poser.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 2:23 am
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On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:18:37 -0600, "Ranieri" <nah> wrote:

>A hippie born in 1973?

I wondered if anyone would catch that part. Obvious troll.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 5:16 am
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lol ... yes I guess you can't be a hippie unless you were alive in the
60s. I guess the Beatlejuice look, flies, drugs, lack of bathing, tree
hugging and saying 'Man' a lot just didn't make me a hippie Surprised)

You would think the munchies made me gain weight but I was always bony
as a junkie, it was stopping them that did it!

Anyhow guys, seriously, thanks for the suggestions ... I knew the
exercise choices are not the best, that is why I posted them, I don't
think I missed and major muscle groups though. If I google for routines
they always have exercises I am unable to do on my equipment at home,
they always contain squats etc but my back can not take that ... how do
you do them without losing your balance anyhow? Sure, I would have a
lot more choices if I went to the gym but, to be honest, I work too
many hours so I don't have the time ... it is better for me and my
missus if I do it at home.

I was planning on breaking the program into 45 minute workouts and
alternating upper and lower body, training every 2 days and using the
bike on other days, 1 day off. If you say my exercise choices are very
poor I need to look at improving them. It just seems like most of the
workouts for people with back problems are not very challenging ... lie
on the floor and stretch your left arm and right leg, do not lift more
than 10 kilos etc.

Sure, joint pain and DOMS are different, I just had a feel and the pain
is not in the joint at all, it is in the first inch of my bicep where
it joins with the joint ... I will keep massaging that area through the
day and that should help.

I don't think I really need to do much with my legs because they have
always been very big and lean, they are not very strong though so I
included them partly because working the bigger muscles is always good
(and I guess that I need to make the muscles more efficient by gaining
strength in them). I like this because it means it is very difficult to
get DOMS in my legs and they are never bad, just a tiny ache that I
hardly feel. This makes it easier with the bike on off days.

The bike is a little boring but stands in front of the TV so that
livens it up, it does have some intensity because the slower my heart
rate goes the harder it gets, when I first start my rate is very high
but after 10 minutes my heart slows down and the intensity gets higher.

I remember from my training before that I tend to gain a lot of
strength and muscle very quickly. I never used to go through a printed
workout though, I just did the exercises as and when each machine was
free. Because I am not so much of a hard gainer I think this is why
exercising my neglected muscles (Arms, Chest, Back) leaves me with such
bad DOMS.

What would really help is a muscle chart that is linked to resistance
exercises or vice versa. That would make it easy to plan a good workout
but it seems like this kind of thing is difficult to get hold of.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 7:34 am
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:16 am
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"Flintstone" <ratcliffe_mike RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message

> What would really help is a muscle chart that is linked to resistance
> exercises or vice versa. That would make it easy to plan a good workout
> but it seems like this kind of thing is difficult to get hold of.
>

Here ya go, hippie poser:
http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 10:41 am
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On 26 Jan 2006 04:34:32 -0800, "Flintstone"
<ratcliffe_mike.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hey David, feeling aggressive? That 'd be the roids

Negative, I used Preperation H.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 4:46 pm
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 6:15 pm
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Gemini Jackson wrote:
> "Ranieri" <nah> wrote:
> >"Flintstone" <ratcliffe_mike RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >
> >> What would really help is a muscle chart that is linked to resistance
> >> exercises or vice versa. That would make it easy to plan a good workout
> >> but it seems like this kind of thing is difficult to get hold of.
> >>
> >
> >Here ya go, hippie poser:
> >http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html
> >
> >
>
> That and fitday.com helps. I'm still a bit surprised that 1/3 of my
> intake was basically fat.

If you actually want to know all the nutritional components of what
you're eating, instead of just keeping the ubiquitous FitDay log, check
it out before you do your shopping. Download the USDA National
Nutrient Database SR 18 program and install it:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/srch/pcs18.exe

No online access necessary. It will provide you with a detailed,
printable list of all nutritional components, including types of fat,
amino components of proteins, vitamins and minerals, water and ash
content, and other information, in addition to the standard calories
and macronutrients.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:27 pm
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>>Hey David, feeling aggressive? That 'd be the roids Surprised) <<

Nah, he's just a frustrated South Afrikkaner born in the wrong place
and time.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2006 8:28 pm
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>>Doctors recommend that you stop exercising for arthritis?

Dally <<

Only if they own a Funeral Home. Otherwise take some Replenex and do
Yoga. Geez. You really are dumber than a box of hair.
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