ephedra? hoodia? replacements?

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"JMW" <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote
>> Dally <Dally RemoveThis @myself.com> wrote:
>>
>>>rjvalenta@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> first - thanks to all of you for your replies, and so fast (on
>>>> Superbowl Sunday of all days)
>>>>
>>>> ok, in a matter of hours the general consensus is that i should avoid
>>>> all these pills that 'help' burn more fat... and simply hit the gym
>>>> more. more cardio, more weight, etc.
>>>
>>>The people on alt.support.diet are making sustainable lifestyle changes
>>>over the long-term. They won't help you get ready for a photo-shoot.
>>>
>>>> what is going to help me burn this belly? I feel like I'm living off
>>>> salads, lean turkey on whole grain wheat, water, and protein bars.
>>>
>>>Look for a protein-sparing modified fast: PSMF. Google for it. The
>>>gist of it is, live off the salads and turkey, ditch the whole grain
>>>bread.
>>
>> And probably the protein bars, which are often loaded with simple
>> sugars. If he is carrying a lot of visceral fat, it tends to indicate
>> insulin resistance.
>>
>> I've been doing my own PSMF and have dropped 16 pounds since January
>> 3rd.
>
>Any significant modifications, or just the basic protein, fibrous veges,
>incidental fats and carbs, and supplemental vitamins/minerals/EFAs?

That's a pretty fair description of the daily fare, but mine includes
periodic and targeted high-carbohydrate refeeds to stimulate
hyperleptinemia through insulin-mediated glucose uptake. Periodic
refeeds increase in frequency as body fat percentage drops; targeted
refeeds are timed for training sessions, along with whey protein.
 >> Stay informed about: ephedra? hoodia? replacements? 

JMW wrote:

> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>>"JMW" <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> wrote
>>
>>>Dally <Dally.TakeThisOut@myself.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>rjvalenta@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>first - thanks to all of you for your replies, and so fast (on
>>>>>Superbowl Sunday of all days)
>>>>>
>>>>>ok, in a matter of hours the general consensus is that i should avoid
>>>>>all these pills that 'help' burn more fat... and simply hit the gym
>>>>>more. more cardio, more weight, etc.
>>>>
>>>>The people on alt.support.diet are making sustainable lifestyle changes
>>>>over the long-term. They won't help you get ready for a photo-shoot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>what is going to help me burn this belly? I feel like I'm living off
>>>>>salads, lean turkey on whole grain wheat, water, and protein bars.
>>>>
>>>>Look for a protein-sparing modified fast: PSMF. Google for it. The
>>>>gist of it is, live off the salads and turkey, ditch the whole grain
>>>>bread.
>>>
>>>And probably the protein bars, which are often loaded with simple
>>>sugars. If he is carrying a lot of visceral fat, it tends to indicate
>>>insulin resistance.
>>>
>>>I've been doing my own PSMF and have dropped 16 pounds since January
>>>3rd.
>>
>>Any significant modifications, or just the basic protein, fibrous veges,
>>incidental fats and carbs, and supplemental vitamins/minerals/EFAs?
>
>
> That's a pretty fair description of the daily fare, but mine includes
> periodic and targeted high-carbohydrate refeeds to stimulate
> hyperleptinemia through insulin-mediated glucose uptake.

I really did laugh out loud at the "tally ho" comment in your last post,
but this had me chortling a bit, too. It sounds so pretentious. Do you
really think of it this way? I mean, I do the same thing, but I think
of it more as, "doing this once in a while won't hurt me."

> Periodic
> refeeds increase in frequency as body fat percentage drops; targeted
> refeeds are timed for training sessions, along with whey protein.

Again, I do the same thing (or I would if my body fat percentage ever
really dropped to meaningful lows) but I tend to do it sort of
backwards. "Ah, that was a bit of a carb-up. Better go lift some weights."

I remember distinctly how overjoyed I was to hear the term "strategic
deconditioning". It describes beautifully what I call "beach vacation"
yet puts it in the context of a feature, not a bug of my weight loss
journey.

Dally
 >> Stay informed about: ephedra? hoodia? replacements? 

Dally <Dally DeleteThis @myself.com> wrote:

>JMW wrote:
>
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>"JMW" <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote
>>>
>>>>Dally <Dally DeleteThis @myself.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>rjvalenta@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>first - thanks to all of you for your replies, and so fast (on
>>>>>>Superbowl Sunday of all days)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ok, in a matter of hours the general consensus is that i should avoid
>>>>>>all these pills that 'help' burn more fat... and simply hit the gym
>>>>>>more. more cardio, more weight, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>The people on alt.support.diet are making sustainable lifestyle changes
>>>>>over the long-term. They won't help you get ready for a photo-shoot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>what is going to help me burn this belly? I feel like I'm living off
>>>>>>salads, lean turkey on whole grain wheat, water, and protein bars.
>>>>>
>>>>>Look for a protein-sparing modified fast: PSMF. Google for it. The
>>>>>gist of it is, live off the salads and turkey, ditch the whole grain
>>>>>bread.
>>>>
>>>>And probably the protein bars, which are often loaded with simple
>>>>sugars. If he is carrying a lot of visceral fat, it tends to indicate
>>>>insulin resistance.
>>>>
>>>>I've been doing my own PSMF and have dropped 16 pounds since January
>>>>3rd.
>>>
>>>Any significant modifications, or just the basic protein, fibrous veges,
>>>incidental fats and carbs, and supplemental vitamins/minerals/EFAs?
>>
>>
>> That's a pretty fair description of the daily fare, but mine includes
>> periodic and targeted high-carbohydrate refeeds to stimulate
>> hyperleptinemia through insulin-mediated glucose uptake.
>
>I really did laugh out loud at the "tally ho" comment in your last post,
>but this had me chortling a bit, too. It sounds so pretentious. Do you
>really think of it this way? I mean, I do the same thing, but I think
>of it more as, "doing this once in a while won't hurt me."

It also has a strong psychological aspect in terms of permissible
"cheating," which makes the diet more tolerable. Nevertheless, it
does a significant physiological effect of kicking up leptin levels,
particularly if you load simple sugars.

>> Periodic
>> refeeds increase in frequency as body fat percentage drops; targeted
>> refeeds are timed for training sessions, along with whey protein.
>
>Again, I do the same thing (or I would if my body fat percentage ever
>really dropped to meaningful lows) but I tend to do it sort of
>backwards. "Ah, that was a bit of a carb-up. Better go lift some weights."

Knowing *why* it works is not essential to it working.
 >> Stay informed about: ephedra? hoodia? replacements? 

"JMW" <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> wrote
> Dally <Dally.DeleteThis@myself.com> wrote:
>>JMW wrote:
>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>"JMW" <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> wrote
>>>>>Dally <Dally.DeleteThis@myself.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>rjvalenta@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>first - thanks to all of you for your replies, and so fast (on
>>>>>>>Superbowl Sunday of all days)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>ok, in a matter of hours the general consensus is that i should avoid
>>>>>>>all these pills that 'help' burn more fat... and simply hit the gym
>>>>>>>more. more cardio, more weight, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The people on alt.support.diet are making sustainable lifestyle
>>>>>>changes
>>>>>>over the long-term. They won't help you get ready for a photo-shoot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>what is going to help me burn this belly? I feel like I'm living off
>>>>>>>salads, lean turkey on whole grain wheat, water, and protein bars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Look for a protein-sparing modified fast: PSMF. Google for it. The
>>>>>>gist of it is, live off the salads and turkey, ditch the whole grain
>>>>>>bread.
>>>>>
>>>>>And probably the protein bars, which are often loaded with simple
>>>>>sugars. If he is carrying a lot of visceral fat, it tends to indicate
>>>>>insulin resistance.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've been doing my own PSMF and have dropped 16 pounds since January
>>>>>3rd.
>>>>
>>>>Any significant modifications, or just the basic protein, fibrous veges,
>>>>incidental fats and carbs, and supplemental vitamins/minerals/EFAs?
>>>
>>>
>>> That's a pretty fair description of the daily fare, but mine includes
>>> periodic and targeted high-carbohydrate refeeds to stimulate
>>> hyperleptinemia through insulin-mediated glucose uptake.
>>
>>I really did laugh out loud at the "tally ho" comment in your last post,
>>but this had me chortling a bit, too. It sounds so pretentious. Do you
>>really think of it this way? I mean, I do the same thing, but I think
>>of it more as, "doing this once in a while won't hurt me."
>
> It also has a strong psychological aspect in terms of permissible
> "cheating," which makes the diet more tolerable. Nevertheless, it
> does a significant physiological effect of kicking up leptin levels,
> particularly if you load simple sugars.
>
>>> Periodic
>>> refeeds increase in frequency as body fat percentage drops; targeted
>>> refeeds are timed for training sessions, along with whey protein.


Oops. I forgot to mention that part. In my defense, that's not part of the
diet; it the space "between" the diet


>>Again, I do the same thing (or I would if my body fat percentage ever
>>really dropped to meaningful lows) but I tend to do it sort of
>>backwards. "Ah, that was a bit of a carb-up. Better go lift some
>>weights."
>
> Knowing *why* it works is not essential to it working.


Indeed. If somebody with some good mass marketing skills ever takes this and
runs, NOT knowing would be a key feature, as it would have to be couched in
double speak gobbligook to hide it's simplicity.

I think the LMMPSMF has, as it's key psychological feature, the rapidity of
weight loss. Damn, it can be dramatic!

David
 >> Stay informed about: ephedra? hoodia? replacements? 

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
>"JMW" <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> wrote
>> Dally <Dally.TakeThisOut@myself.com> wrote:
>>>JMW wrote:
>>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>"JMW" <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> wrote
>>>>>>Dally <Dally.TakeThisOut@myself.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>rjvalenta@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>first - thanks to all of you for your replies, and so fast (on
>>>>>>>>Superbowl Sunday of all days)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ok, in a matter of hours the general consensus is that i should avoid
>>>>>>>>all these pills that 'help' burn more fat... and simply hit the gym
>>>>>>>>more. more cardio, more weight, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The people on alt.support.diet are making sustainable lifestyle
>>>>>>>changes
>>>>>>>over the long-term. They won't help you get ready for a photo-shoot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>what is going to help me burn this belly? I feel like I'm living off
>>>>>>>>salads, lean turkey on whole grain wheat, water, and protein bars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Look for a protein-sparing modified fast: PSMF. Google for it. The
>>>>>>>gist of it is, live off the salads and turkey, ditch the whole grain
>>>>>>>bread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And probably the protein bars, which are often loaded with simple
>>>>>>sugars. If he is carrying a lot of visceral fat, it tends to indicate
>>>>>>insulin resistance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've been doing my own PSMF and have dropped 16 pounds since January
>>>>>>3rd.
>>>>>
>>>>>Any significant modifications, or just the basic protein, fibrous veges,
>>>>>incidental fats and carbs, and supplemental vitamins/minerals/EFAs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a pretty fair description of the daily fare, but mine includes
>>>> periodic and targeted high-carbohydrate refeeds to stimulate
>>>> hyperleptinemia through insulin-mediated glucose uptake.
>>>
>>>I really did laugh out loud at the "tally ho" comment in your last post,
>>>but this had me chortling a bit, too. It sounds so pretentious. Do you
>>>really think of it this way? I mean, I do the same thing, but I think
>>>of it more as, "doing this once in a while won't hurt me."
>>
>> It also has a strong psychological aspect in terms of permissible
>> "cheating," which makes the diet more tolerable. Nevertheless, it
>> does a significant physiological effect of kicking up leptin levels,
>> particularly if you load simple sugars.
>>
>>>> Periodic
>>>> refeeds increase in frequency as body fat percentage drops; targeted
>>>> refeeds are timed for training sessions, along with whey protein.
>
>
>Oops. I forgot to mention that part. In my defense, that's not part of the
>diet; it the space "between" the diet
>
>
>>>Again, I do the same thing (or I would if my body fat percentage ever
>>>really dropped to meaningful lows) but I tend to do it sort of
>>>backwards. "Ah, that was a bit of a carb-up. Better go lift some
>>>weights."
>>
>> Knowing *why* it works is not essential to it working.
>
>
>Indeed. If somebody with some good mass marketing skills ever takes this and
>runs, NOT knowing would be a key feature, as it would have to be couched in
>double speak gobbligook to hide it's simplicity.

PSMFs have been discussed in the literature for well over a decade,
but they are considered emergency measures for the morbidly obese, and
the medical community would go into a feeding frenzy if they were
suggested for those within normal weight ranges.

Likewise, refeeds have been discussed in the literature. The problem
is that they require some discipline, which obese people tend to lack.
To some folks, a periodic refeed is like telling a recovering chronic
alcoholic that he can do two shots of his favorite liquor every
Saturday night, but that's all.

On an official level, the medical community will piss all over
anything that [a] isn't long-term sustainable, and [b] requires some
degree of timing and self-discipline. PSMFs are for a niche market.
 >> Stay informed about: ephedra? hoodia? replacements? 

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:37:26 -0500, JMW <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote:

>rmr <news.RemoveThis@rmns.co.python.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:47:22 +0000, JRH <chas.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 05:36:47 -0500, JMW <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I've been doing my own PSMF and have dropped 16 pounds since January
>>>>3rd.
>>>
>>>Most of which will have been bloat or fluid loss.
>>>
>>>Dramatically reducing protein unless one is morbidly obese and
>>>requiring surgical processes, is neither wise nor necessary.
>>
>>PSMF and "Dramatically reducing protein" are about as opposite as you
>>can get.
>
>Allow me to explain: He was looking for a reason to criticize me. He
>knows nothing about PSMFs.

Nothing is a tad harsh, but it's close! ;o)

>However, he read my comment about how much
>weight I'd lost on my own PSMF, and he must have read my previous
>cautionary note about protein bars and insulin resistance (due to them
>usually having a high content of simple sugars), so he intuited "Aha!
>He is surely on some diet where he eats no protein, and thus, I shall
>thrash him soundly for such a faux pas! Tally ho!"

Au contraire matey, it was simply a "troll" post to prove what a lying
bastard you are concerning "troll" filters.

>
>Of course, there are probably many others in this newsgroup who know
>that a PSMF (protein-sparing modified fast) is actually a
>*predominantly* protein diet, but most of those folks probably have
>him killfiled, too.

QED

It's all about your master plan to rid the Group of the dreaded
"trolls", of which you are the most prolific you dopey old bastard.

>I guess it's good that someone actually reads his
>posts so that newbies don't get the mistaken impression that he
>actually knows what he's talking about.

And you have taken the bait hook line and sinker, although you had to
do it via the third party route when another poster inadvertently
picked up my obvious "troll".
 >> Stay informed about: ephedra? hoodia? replacements? 

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:16:18 -0500, Dally <Dally.RemoveThis@myself.com> wrote:

>JMW wrote:
>
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"JMW" <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote
>>>
>>>>Dally <Dally.RemoveThis@myself.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>rjvalenta@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>first - thanks to all of you for your replies, and so fast (on
>>>>>>Superbowl Sunday of all days)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ok, in a matter of hours the general consensus is that i should avoid
>>>>>>all these pills that 'help' burn more fat... and simply hit the gym
>>>>>>more. more cardio, more weight, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>The people on alt.support.diet are making sustainable lifestyle changes
>>>>>over the long-term. They won't help you get ready for a photo-shoot.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>what is going to help me burn this belly? I feel like I'm living off
>>>>>>salads, lean turkey on whole grain wheat, water, and protein bars.
>>>>>
>>>>>Look for a protein-sparing modified fast: PSMF. Google for it. The
>>>>>gist of it is, live off the salads and turkey, ditch the whole grain
>>>>>bread.
>>>>
>>>>And probably the protein bars, which are often loaded with simple
>>>>sugars. If he is carrying a lot of visceral fat, it tends to indicate
>>>>insulin resistance.
>>>>
>>>>I've been doing my own PSMF and have dropped 16 pounds since January
>>>>3rd.
>>>
>>>Any significant modifications, or just the basic protein, fibrous veges,
>>>incidental fats and carbs, and supplemental vitamins/minerals/EFAs?
>>
>>
>> That's a pretty fair description of the daily fare, but mine includes
>> periodic and targeted high-carbohydrate refeeds to stimulate
>> hyperleptinemia through insulin-mediated glucose uptake.
>
>I really did laugh out loud at the "tally ho" comment in your last post,

You be careful you don't get too involved in matters that don't
concern you Wendy; we don't want you to have another attack of the
vapours! ;o)

Sticking your nose up Williams bum to curry favour is not necessarily
a sensible thing to do - but then you and common sense are relative
strangers.
 >> Stay informed about: ephedra? hoodia? replacements? 

"JRH" <chas DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
news:knogu1tfrceras8sgun9ql6299vr14cssk@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:16:18 -0500, Dally <Dally DeleteThis @myself.com> wrote:
>
>>JMW wrote:
>>
>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"JMW" <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>Dally <Dally DeleteThis @myself.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>rjvalenta@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>first - thanks to all of you for your replies, and so fast (on
>>>>>>>Superbowl Sunday of all days)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>ok, in a matter of hours the general consensus is that i should avoid
>>>>>>>all these pills that 'help' burn more fat... and simply hit the gym
>>>>>>>more. more cardio, more weight, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The people on alt.support.diet are making sustainable lifestyle
>>>>>>changes
>>>>>>over the long-term. They won't help you get ready for a photo-shoot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>what is going to help me burn this belly? I feel like I'm living off
>>>>>>>salads, lean turkey on whole grain wheat, water, and protein bars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Look for a protein-sparing modified fast: PSMF. Google for it. The
>>>>>>gist of it is, live off the salads and turkey, ditch the whole grain
>>>>>>bread.
>>>>>
>>>>>And probably the protein bars, which are often loaded with simple
>>>>>sugars. If he is carrying a lot of visceral fat, it tends to indicate
>>>>>insulin resistance.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've been doing my own PSMF and have dropped 16 pounds since January
>>>>>3rd.
>>>>
>>>>Any significant modifications, or just the basic protein, fibrous veges,
>>>>incidental fats and carbs, and supplemental vitamins/minerals/EFAs?
>>>
>>>
>>> That's a pretty fair description of the daily fare, but mine includes
>>> periodic and targeted high-carbohydrate refeeds to stimulate
>>> hyperleptinemia through insulin-mediated glucose uptake.
>>
>>I really did laugh out loud at the "tally ho" comment in your last post,

Some people are very easily amused. Can you imagine how dull someone would
have to be to 'laugh out loud' at "tally ho"?? And she 'really did' laugh
out loud. She really really did do that.


> You be careful you don't get too involved in matters that don't
> concern you Wendy; we don't want you to have another attack of the
> vapours! ;o)
>
> Sticking your nose up Williams bum to curry favour is not necessarily
> a sensible thing to do - but then you and common sense are relative
> strangers.
 >> Stay informed about: ephedra? hoodia? replacements? 

On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:34:32 GMT, "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"JRH" <chas.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:knogu1tfrceras8sgun9ql6299vr14cssk@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:16:18 -0500, Dally <Dally.RemoveThis@myself.com> wrote:
>>
>>>JMW wrote:
>>>
>>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"JMW" <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dally <Dally.RemoveThis@myself.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>rjvalenta@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>first - thanks to all of you for your replies, and so fast (on
>>>>>>>>Superbowl Sunday of all days)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ok, in a matter of hours the general consensus is that i should avoid
>>>>>>>>all these pills that 'help' burn more fat... and simply hit the gym
>>>>>>>>more. more cardio, more weight, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The people on alt.support.diet are making sustainable lifestyle
>>>>>>>changes
>>>>>>>over the long-term. They won't help you get ready for a photo-shoot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>what is going to help me burn this belly? I feel like I'm living off
>>>>>>>>salads, lean turkey on whole grain wheat, water, and protein bars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Look for a protein-sparing modified fast: PSMF. Google for it. The
>>>>>>>gist of it is, live off the salads and turkey, ditch the whole grain
>>>>>>>bread.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And probably the protein bars, which are often loaded with simple
>>>>>>sugars. If he is carrying a lot of visceral fat, it tends to indicate
>>>>>>insulin resistance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've been doing my own PSMF and have dropped 16 pounds since January
>>>>>>3rd.
>>>>>
>>>>>Any significant modifications, or just the basic protein, fibrous veges,
>>>>>incidental fats and carbs, and supplemental vitamins/minerals/EFAs?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a pretty fair description of the daily fare, but mine includes
>>>> periodic and targeted high-carbohydrate refeeds to stimulate
>>>> hyperleptinemia through insulin-mediated glucose uptake.
>>>
>>>I really did laugh out loud at the "tally ho" comment in your last post,
>
>Some people are very easily amused. Can you imagine how dull someone would
>have to be to 'laugh out loud' at "tally ho"?? And she 'really did' laugh
>out loud. She really really did do that.

But then you know Dolly's predisposition towards hysterics; she'll be
screaming "rape" and "stalking" and other defilements if you continue
telling her what a silly cow she is.


Like Williams she can't resist having a go at one of her critics when
someone else indicates some form of criticism of them. Of course that
works both ways and they don't like it up them do they?

I see John Williams fantastic "troll" filters are working wonderfully
well. So well in fact that everyone is in everyone else's "killfiles"
(bozo bin for the more esoteric) and no bastard is able to see anyone
else's posts.

It was the logical conclusion! ;o)
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"JRH" <chas DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:34:32 GMT, "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"JRH" <chas DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
>>news:knogu1tfrceras8sgun9ql6299vr14cssk@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:16:18 -0500, Dally <Dally DeleteThis @myself.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>JMW wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"JMW" <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dally <Dally DeleteThis @myself.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>rjvalenta@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>first - thanks to all of you for your replies, and so fast (on
>>>>>>>>>Superbowl Sunday of all days)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>ok, in a matter of hours the general consensus is that i should
>>>>>>>>>avoid
>>>>>>>>>all these pills that 'help' burn more fat... and simply hit the gym
>>>>>>>>>more. more cardio, more weight, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The people on alt.support.diet are making sustainable lifestyle
>>>>>>>>changes
>>>>>>>>over the long-term. They won't help you get ready for a
>>>>>>>>photo-shoot.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>what is going to help me burn this belly? I feel like I'm living
>>>>>>>>>off
>>>>>>>>>salads, lean turkey on whole grain wheat, water, and protein bars.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Look for a protein-sparing modified fast: PSMF. Google for it. The
>>>>>>>>gist of it is, live off the salads and turkey, ditch the whole grain
>>>>>>>>bread.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And probably the protein bars, which are often loaded with simple
>>>>>>>sugars. If he is carrying a lot of visceral fat, it tends to
>>>>>>>indicate
>>>>>>>insulin resistance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've been doing my own PSMF and have dropped 16 pounds since January
>>>>>>>3rd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any significant modifications, or just the basic protein, fibrous
>>>>>>veges,
>>>>>>incidental fats and carbs, and supplemental vitamins/minerals/EFAs?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a pretty fair description of the daily fare, but mine includes
>>>>> periodic and targeted high-carbohydrate refeeds to stimulate
>>>>> hyperleptinemia through insulin-mediated glucose uptake.
>>>>
>>>>I really did laugh out loud at the "tally ho" comment in your last post,
>>
>>Some people are very easily amused. Can you imagine how dull someone would
>>have to be to 'laugh out loud' at "tally ho"?? And she 'really did' laugh
>>out loud. She really really did do that.
>
> But then you know Dolly's predisposition towards hysterics; she'll be
> screaming "rape" and "stalking" and other defilements if you continue
> telling her what a silly cow she is.
>
>
> Like Williams she can't resist having a go at one of her critics when
> someone else indicates some form of criticism of them. Of course that
> works both ways and they don't like it up them do they?
>
> I see John Williams fantastic "troll" filters are working wonderfully
> well. So well in fact that everyone is in everyone else's "killfiles"
> (bozo bin for the more esoteric) and no bastard is able to see anyone
> else's posts.
>
> It was the logical conclusion! ;o)

You are dead right. Tally Ho!
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