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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:44 pm
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of course - the net is swamped with everyone who is dying to get the
easy fat loss dollar...
so - i can't find any reliable information online - and i'm turning to
real people in the hopes of some ideas.
so, hydroxycut, metabolife, ripped fuel, and on and on - all now can't
sell any form of ephedra. i would like to lose 20lbs (of fat) by late
May for a film shoot, I'm going to the gym almost daily for cardio and
have had a trainer give me a weight routine which i'm following on two
days a week, splitting muscle groups.
I'm 6'1", and roughly 190lbs (every scale is different, but i range
between 185-195 on them)
i take in around 1700calories a day, though i sometimes end up with
less as i may miss one of my 6 meals - and i target 195g of protein a
day. when i started this a month ago, i was at 195lbs (by the scale at
the gym) and the trainer told me that the #1 mistake people make in
training is not getting enough protein, and that i needed a gram of
protein for every pound i weighed.
basically, i'm out of shape - the trainer's little machine put me at
19.8% body fat, resting heart rate of 61bpm, systolic 119, diastolic
74, and my flexibility was a sad sad ZERO.
so, i'm working on it -- i eat well, i stretch, i lift, i alternate
cardio by his plan, etc and so on - since new years eve i've had no
drinking, no smoking, no junk food, no fast food - but in the end i
realize that the primary problem with my appearance is the fat around
my midsection, and my bulgy waistline.
i do situps and crunches and other core training things - and i'm
pondering yoga and pilates - but lets face it, some extra fat burning
supplements would help... and i can remember losing some lbs with
hydroxycut years ago - but now there's no ephedra! i'm not familiar
with what 'stacking' is, or what medications have a weight loss side
effect, and i'm not about steroids - but i'd like to see what my
options are for 'fat burning' supplements during this new era.
so - anyone have some experience with current options or others? what
have you tried? more than one type? what regimen? are these things i
can get at my local grocery store? any ideas or info will help -
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 2:52 pm
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Do you really think you need to be taking some drug in order to lose
weight and get fit?
rjvalenta DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> of course - the net is swamped with everyone who is dying to get the
> easy fat loss dollar...
>
> so - i can't find any reliable information online - and i'm turning to
> real people in the hopes of some ideas.
>
> so, hydroxycut, metabolife, ripped fuel, and on and on - all now can't
> sell any form of ephedra. i would like to lose 20lbs (of fat) by late
> May for a film shoot, I'm going to the gym almost daily for cardio and
> have had a trainer give me a weight routine which i'm following on two
> days a week, splitting muscle groups.
>
> I'm 6'1", and roughly 190lbs (every scale is different, but i range
> between 185-195 on them)
>
> i take in around 1700calories a day, though i sometimes end up with
> less as i may miss one of my 6 meals - and i target 195g of protein a
> day. when i started this a month ago, i was at 195lbs (by the scale at
> the gym) and the trainer told me that the #1 mistake people make in
> training is not getting enough protein, and that i needed a gram of
> protein for every pound i weighed.
>
> basically, i'm out of shape - the trainer's little machine put me at
> 19.8% body fat, resting heart rate of 61bpm, systolic 119, diastolic
> 74, and my flexibility was a sad sad ZERO.
>
> so, i'm working on it -- i eat well, i stretch, i lift, i alternate
> cardio by his plan, etc and so on - since new years eve i've had no
> drinking, no smoking, no junk food, no fast food - but in the end i
> realize that the primary problem with my appearance is the fat around
> my midsection, and my bulgy waistline.
>
> i do situps and crunches and other core training things - and i'm
> pondering yoga and pilates - but lets face it, some extra fat burning
> supplements would help... and i can remember losing some lbs with
> hydroxycut years ago - but now there's no ephedra! i'm not familiar
> with what 'stacking' is, or what medications have a weight loss side
> effect, and i'm not about steroids - but i'd like to see what my
> options are for 'fat burning' supplements during this new era.
>
> so - anyone have some experience with current options or others? what
> have you tried? more than one type? what regimen? are these things i
> can get at my local grocery store? any ideas or info will help -
> thanks.
>
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first - thanks to all of you for your replies, and so fast (on
Superbowl Sunday of all days)
ok, in a matter of hours the general consensus is that i should avoid
all these pills that 'help' burn more fat... and simply hit the gym
more. more cardio, more weight, etc.
so let me ask all of you this - -
and let me say that i'm not looking for some bs instant fix, but i
don't want to waste time either --- i see guys at the gym who can move
all kinds of weight but are still (like me) carrying a belly around.
what is going to help me burn this belly? I feel like I'm living off
salads, lean turkey on whole grain wheat, water, and protein bars. I
say this as if to say, "i think i am eating the right thing" and I'm
doing the cardio, and I'm hitting the weight...
am i missing something? while i realize that i can't focus fat loss,
what can i do to target fat? just 'more' of the above? this belly (as
I'm sure with many) is my big problem and while so many of the women i
know (who don't work out) keep telling me to do 1000 crunches a day, i
can't help but think they don't have the experience to talk about my 34
year old gut.
and, when you say i'm 'woefully lacking' in muscle - should i target
muscle growth in any specific area?
thanks again all,
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:57 pm
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rjvalenta.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:
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>I'm 6'1", and roughly 190lbs (every scale is different, but i range
>between 185-195 on them)
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>[snip]
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>basically, i'm out of shape - the trainer's little machine put me at
>19.8% body fat, resting heart rate of 61bpm, systolic 119, diastolic
>74, and my flexibility was a sad sad ZERO.
>
>so, i'm working on it -- i eat well, i stretch, i lift, i alternate
>cardio by his plan, etc and so on - since new years eve i've had no
>drinking, no smoking, no junk food, no fast food - but in the end i
>realize that the primary problem with my appearance is the fat around
>my midsection, and my bulgy waistline.
>
>i do situps and crunches and other core training things - and i'm
>pondering yoga and pilates - but lets face it, some extra fat burning
>supplements would help... and i can remember losing some lbs with
>hydroxycut years ago - but now there's no ephedra! i'm not familiar
>with what 'stacking' is, or what medications have a weight loss side
>effect, and i'm not about steroids - but i'd like to see what my
>options are for 'fat burning' supplements during this new era.
>
>so - anyone have some experience with current options or others? what
>have you tried? more than one type? what regimen? are these things i
>can get at my local grocery store? any ideas or info will help -
>thanks.
You need to lift weights and add some muscle. Given your height,
weight, and bodyfat percentage, you are woefully lacking in that
category. Situps, crunches, yoga, and pilates won't do diddlyshit for
changing your body composition.
You can get pharmaceutical ephedrine at the drugstore or from many
on-line sellers; it better than herbal ephedra, anyway. But that will
just help you become skinny and weak. You need to concentrate a lot
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 10:18 pm
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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:57:54 -0500, JMW <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote:
>You need to lift weights and add some muscle. Given your height,
>weight, and bodyfat percentage, you are woefully lacking in that
>category. Situps, crunches, yoga, and pilates won't do diddlyshit for
>changing your body composition.
>
>You can get pharmaceutical ephedrine at the drugstore or from many
>on-line sellers; it better than herbal ephedra, anyway. But that will
>just help you become skinny and weak. You need to concentrate a lot
>more on resistance training than you are on dietary supplements.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 11:18 pm
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<rjvalenta.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> of course - the net is swamped with everyone who is dying to get the
> easy fat loss dollar...
>
> so - i can't find any reliable information online - and i'm turning to
> real people in the hopes of some ideas.
>
> so, hydroxycut, metabolife, ripped fuel, and on and on - all now can't
> sell any form of ephedra. i would like to lose 20lbs (of fat) by late
> May for a film shoot, I'm going to the gym almost daily for cardio and
> have had a trainer give me a weight routine which i'm following on two
> days a week, splitting muscle groups.
>
> I'm 6'1", and roughly 190lbs (every scale is different, but i range
> between 185-195 on them)
>
> i take in around 1700calories a day, though i sometimes end up with
> less as i may miss one of my 6 meals - and i target 195g of protein a
> day. when i started this a month ago, i was at 195lbs (by the scale
> at
> the gym) and the trainer told me that the #1 mistake people make in
> training is not getting enough protein, and that i needed a gram of
> protein for every pound i weighed.
Get a few opinions on this subject. The USRDA for an adult male is
about 65-70 grams of protein per day - while more likely won't hurt you,
you're probably fine with 1 gram per kilogram of bodyweight, which is
less than half what you're now targeting. 95 grams per day instead of
195 grams per day means 400 calories you can target to other things like
healthy fats in your diet. The #1 mistake people make is simply not
balancing calories in with energy expended - if you aren't losing
weight, start working out more.
> basically, i'm out of shape - the trainer's little machine put me at
> 19.8% body fat, resting heart rate of 61bpm, systolic 119, diastolic
> 74, and my flexibility was a sad sad ZERO.
>
> so, i'm working on it -- i eat well, i stretch, i lift, i alternate
> cardio by his plan, etc and so on - since new years eve i've had no
> drinking, no smoking, no junk food, no fast food - but in the end i
> realize that the primary problem with my appearance is the fat around
> my midsection, and my bulgy waistline.
>
> i do situps and crunches and other core training things - and i'm
> pondering yoga and pilates - but lets face it, some extra fat burning
> supplements would help... and i can remember losing some lbs with
> hydroxycut years ago - but now there's no ephedra! i'm not familiar
> with what 'stacking' is, or what medications have a weight loss side
> effect, and i'm not about steroids - but i'd like to see what my
> options are for 'fat burning' supplements during this new era.
>
> so - anyone have some experience with current options or others? what
> have you tried? more than one type? what regimen? are these things
> i
> can get at my local grocery store? any ideas or info will help -
> thanks.
Lift as heavy as you can as often as you can while remaining as fresh as
you can - it's as simple as that. You don't need yoga, pilates, etc.
You need to put some iron on the bar and move it, and you'll do best
with big compound movements like the deadlift or squat.
Just my opinion.
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
> Richard
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:52 am
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rjvalenta RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> first - thanks to all of you for your replies, and so fast (on
> Superbowl Sunday of all days)
>
> ok, in a matter of hours the general consensus is that i should avoid
> all these pills that 'help' burn more fat... and simply hit the gym
> more. more cardio, more weight, etc.
The people on alt.support.diet are making sustainable lifestyle changes
over the long-term. They won't help you get ready for a photo-shoot.
> what is going to help me burn this belly? I feel like I'm living off
> salads, lean turkey on whole grain wheat, water, and protein bars.
Look for a protein-sparing modified fast: PSMF. Google for it. The
gist of it is, live off the salads and turkey, ditch the whole grain
bread.
Partioning weight-loss towards fat rather than LBM means you have to
lift weights. Go heavy, sweat and grunt for 45 minutes a couple of
times a week. The Body for Life routine is a good way to accomplish
that, but any routine where you chart it out and then get in there and
do it will suffice.
> am i missing something? while i realize that i can't focus fat loss,
> what can i do to target fat? just 'more' of the above? this belly (as
> I'm sure with many) is my big problem and while so many of the women i
> know (who don't work out) keep telling me to do 1000 crunches a day, i
> can't help but think they don't have the experience to talk about my 34
> year old gut.
1000 crunches a day isn't a good plan for you. Use BIG muscles, do
deadlifts and squats and benchpresses. Do compound moves. Your goal
here is to make lots of microtears in lots of muscle mass so your body
has to burn calories to go repair it.
Get plenty of rest. You can't be sleep deprived while losing fat.
Having said that...
I do an EC stack. You can read more about it at
http://www.drumlib.com/dp/000006.htm. These drugs are stimulants.
They will stimulate you. Don't be an idiot about dosage: start tiny and
ramp up and don't do it if you ought not to take stimulants. I'm not a
doctor and I don't know what your particular situation is. Personally,
I want stimulants. The more the better. Sleep be damned. Wired R Us.
But it's not for everyone and don't blame me if you don't like what
stimulants do to you.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 4:41 am
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Fugeddaboudit. You're not overweight. Get yourself to an hour a day workout
by the end of March and then start adding strength training. Don't take
drugs.
<rjvalenta.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> of course - the net is swamped with everyone who is dying to get the
> easy fat loss dollar...
>
> so - i can't find any reliable information online - and i'm turning to
> real people in the hopes of some ideas.
>
> so, hydroxycut, metabolife, ripped fuel, and on and on - all now can't
> sell any form of ephedra. i would like to lose 20lbs (of fat) by late
> May for a film shoot, I'm going to the gym almost daily for cardio and
> have had a trainer give me a weight routine which i'm following on two
> days a week, splitting muscle groups.
>
> I'm 6'1", and roughly 190lbs (every scale is different, but i range
> between 185-195 on them)
>
> i take in around 1700calories a day, though i sometimes end up with
> less as i may miss one of my 6 meals - and i target 195g of protein a
> day. when i started this a month ago, i was at 195lbs (by the scale at
> the gym) and the trainer told me that the #1 mistake people make in
> training is not getting enough protein, and that i needed a gram of
> protein for every pound i weighed.
>
> basically, i'm out of shape - the trainer's little machine put me at
> 19.8% body fat, resting heart rate of 61bpm, systolic 119, diastolic
> 74, and my flexibility was a sad sad ZERO.
>
> so, i'm working on it -- i eat well, i stretch, i lift, i alternate
> cardio by his plan, etc and so on - since new years eve i've had no
> drinking, no smoking, no junk food, no fast food - but in the end i
> realize that the primary problem with my appearance is the fat around
> my midsection, and my bulgy waistline.
>
> i do situps and crunches and other core training things - and i'm
> pondering yoga and pilates - but lets face it, some extra fat burning
> supplements would help... and i can remember losing some lbs with
> hydroxycut years ago - but now there's no ephedra! i'm not familiar
> with what 'stacking' is, or what medications have a weight loss side
> effect, and i'm not about steroids - but i'd like to see what my
> options are for 'fat burning' supplements during this new era.
>
> so - anyone have some experience with current options or others? what
> have you tried? more than one type? what regimen? are these things i
> can get at my local grocery store? any ideas or info will help -
> thanks.
>
> Richard
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rjvalenta DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
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>what is going to help me burn this belly? I feel like I'm living off
>salads, lean turkey on whole grain wheat, water, and protein bars. I
>say this as if to say, "i think i am eating the right thing" and I'm
>doing the cardio, and I'm hitting the weight...
>
>am i missing something? while i realize that i can't focus fat loss,
>what can i do to target fat? just 'more' of the above? this belly (as
>I'm sure with many) is my big problem and while so many of the women i
>know (who don't work out) keep telling me to do 1000 crunches a day, i
>can't help but think they don't have the experience to talk about my 34
>year old gut.
They have no idea what they're talking about. You cannot spot-reduce
fat. You can have great rectus abdominus muscles, but they won't show
if they're covered with fat. You may have a lot of visceral fat, and
that may be last to go in reducing fat, but no amount of abdominal
exercises will change that.
>and, when you say i'm 'woefully lacking' in muscle - should i target
>muscle growth in any specific area?
Yes. Absolutely. Everywhere else: legs, chest, back, and arms.
You'll be surprised what that does. And don't neglect lifting with
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Dally <Dally.DeleteThis@myself.com> wrote:
>rjvalenta@yahoo.com wrote:
>> first - thanks to all of you for your replies, and so fast (on
>> Superbowl Sunday of all days)
>>
>> ok, in a matter of hours the general consensus is that i should avoid
>> all these pills that 'help' burn more fat... and simply hit the gym
>> more. more cardio, more weight, etc.
>
>The people on alt.support.diet are making sustainable lifestyle changes
>over the long-term. They won't help you get ready for a photo-shoot.
>
>> what is going to help me burn this belly? I feel like I'm living off
>> salads, lean turkey on whole grain wheat, water, and protein bars.
>
>Look for a protein-sparing modified fast: PSMF. Google for it. The
>gist of it is, live off the salads and turkey, ditch the whole grain
>bread.
And probably the protein bars, which are often loaded with simple
sugars. If he is carrying a lot of visceral fat, it tends to indicate
insulin resistance.
I've been doing my own PSMF and have dropped 16 pounds since January
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rjvalenta.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
> first - thanks to all of you for your replies, and so fast (on
> Superbowl Sunday of all days)
>
> ok, in a matter of hours the general consensus is that i should avoid
> all these pills that 'help' burn more fat... and simply hit the gym
> more. more cardio, more weight, etc.
>
> so let me ask all of you this - -
>
> and let me say that i'm not looking for some bs instant fix, but i
> don't want to waste time either --- i see guys at the gym who can move
> all kinds of weight but are still (like me) carrying a belly around.
>
> what is going to help me burn this belly? I feel like I'm living off
> salads, lean turkey on whole grain wheat, water, and protein bars. I
> say this as if to say, "i think i am eating the right thing" and I'm
> doing the cardio, and I'm hitting the weight...
>
> am i missing something? while i realize that i can't focus fat loss,
> what can i do to target fat? just 'more' of the above? this belly (as
> I'm sure with many) is my big problem and while so many of the women i
> know (who don't work out) keep telling me to do 1000 crunches a day, i
> can't help but think they don't have the experience to talk about my 34
> year old gut.
>
> and, when you say i'm 'woefully lacking' in muscle - should i target
> muscle growth in any specific area?
>
> thanks again all,
>
> richard
>
Bench Press, squats and dead-lifts. Those basic exercises will build
the larger muscles that demand a lot of calories to repair and maintain.
Your weight may not decrease quickly but your body composition will.
--
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On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 05:36:47 -0500, JMW <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote:
>Dally <Dally DeleteThis @myself.com> wrote:
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>>rjvalenta@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> first - thanks to all of you for your replies, and so fast (on
>>> Superbowl Sunday of all days)
>>>
>>> ok, in a matter of hours the general consensus is that i should avoid
>>> all these pills that 'help' burn more fat... and simply hit the gym
>>> more. more cardio, more weight, etc.
>>
>>The people on alt.support.diet are making sustainable lifestyle changes
>>over the long-term. They won't help you get ready for a photo-shoot.
>>
>>> what is going to help me burn this belly? I feel like I'm living off
>>> salads, lean turkey on whole grain wheat, water, and protein bars.
>>
>>Look for a protein-sparing modified fast: PSMF. Google for it. The
>>gist of it is, live off the salads and turkey, ditch the whole grain
>>bread.
>
>And probably the protein bars, which are often loaded with simple
>sugars. If he is carrying a lot of visceral fat, it tends to indicate
>insulin resistance.
>
>I've been doing my own PSMF and have dropped 16 pounds since January
>3rd.
Most of which will have been bloat or fluid loss.
Dramatically reducing protein unless one is morbidly obese and
requiring surgical processes, is neither wise nor necessary.
Crash dieting for any reason other than for medical purposes is
essentially non-productive at best, and harmful at worst. >> Stay informed about: ephedra? hoodia? replacements? |
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Since: Apr 26, 2006
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Feb 06, 2006 8:55 pm
Post subject: Re: ephedra? hoodia? replacements? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: alt>support>diet, others (more info?)
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> I'm 6'1", and roughly 190lbs (every scale is different, but i range
> between 185-195 on them)
> ...
> i take in around 1700calories a day,...
Go to http://www.exrx.net/Calculators/CalRequire.html .
You didn't mention your age but even if you were 40 years old and had a
100% sedentary lifestyle you would need at 1900 calories a day or so
just to maintain your weight. Ok, so if you consume 1700 calories a day
usually you only have a caloric deficit of 200 calories. That means
you'd burn 1 lb of fat in about 17 days or about 2 lbs a months. That is
pretty slow weight loss and not the kind that you see all that much.
Plus with sufficient "cheating" you'd be negating what little weight
loss you'd be getting.
If I were you I'd eat at maintenance, about 1900 calories a day(but go
to the link above and figure it out exactly!, and get a caloric deficit
of about 500-1000 calories a day through cardio. >> Stay informed about: ephedra? hoodia? replacements? |
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Since: Sep 25, 2005
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:27 am
Post subject: Re: ephedra? hoodia? replacements? [Login to view extended thread Info.]
Archived from groups: misc>fitness>weights (more info?)
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On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:47:22 +0000, JRH <chas RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 05:36:47 -0500, JMW <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote:
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>>I've been doing my own PSMF and have dropped 16 pounds since January
>>3rd.
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>Most of which will have been bloat or fluid loss.
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>Dramatically reducing protein unless one is morbidly obese and
>requiring surgical processes, is neither wise nor necessary.
PSMF and "Dramatically reducing protein" are about as opposite as you
can get.
Ray >> Stay informed about: ephedra? hoodia? replacements? |
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