Need diet advice

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:48:06 +0000, ChickenSamwich
<ChickenSamwich.1mexxn.TakeThisOut@news.fitnessbanter.com> wrote:

>
>Hey,
>
>I'm somewhat of a hard gainer and I'm looking to bulk up. Anyone know
>any websites I can go to that show me the proper things I should be
>eating and things like that? I'm a bit of a picky eater, so tuna and
>stuff like that isn't really an option. Money is a bit of an issue
>too, as I'm currently in university up to my ass in student loans.
>
>Also, if anyone has any general advice on foods to be eating, how often
>to eat, etc. in order to gain the extra weight I want, I'd be happy to
>read that too.
>
>I'd appreciate any help or advice. Thanks.

Go to Wal-Mart. Get yourself a big ol' box of powdered milk, a box of
60-count eggs, and a bag of frozen fruit of your choice. Throw in a
blender with water for delicious homemade protein shakes. Cheap and
effective.

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DZ <9217.RemoveThis@351727322.708019946.28489.289.29513> writes:

> Delenn <Delenn.RemoveThis@whoever.com> wrote:
>> ChickenSamwich wrote:
>>> I'm somewhat of a hard gainer and I'm looking to bulk up. Anyone
>>> know any websites I can go to that show me the proper things I
>>> should be eating and things like that? I'm a bit of a picky
>>> eater, so tuna and stuff like that isn't really an option.
>>
>> Imagine the coincidence, a hardgainer who also happens not to like
>> many foods. Too bad about your genetics.
>>
>>> Money is a bit of an issue too, as I'm currently in university up
>>> to my ass in student loans.
>>
>> So it has to be cheap but also delectable protein that isn't canned
>> tuna? How do you feel about eggs?
>>
>>> Also, if anyone has any general advice on foods to be eating, how
>>> often to eat, etc. in order to gain the extra weight I want, I'd
>>> be happy to read that too.
>>
>> You won't like the answer.
>
> Well, I used to be in the same situation - scrawny as a stick,
> didn't really like food (still don't), couldn't do a single pullup,
> no endurance etc. I had persistence in my training but I never
> believed eating more than I want (or multiple times a day in
> general) is necessary or healthy.

You've certainly made progress . I took a look at the video of
yourself you posted earlier and was impressed. What the heck do you
call that exercise where you do a pull up and then just keep on going?

> I still wouldn't shove food unless I want to eat - which happens in
> the evening after my daily training - partly due to tradition. You
> know, social stuff.

Are you saying that you only eat one time a day? If so, that's
amazing.

> But I gained considerable strength and muscle over the years.
>
> Rest assured I collected all kinds of literature in support and
> justification of what I'm doing.

I have read quite a bit of the research that you have posted. Very
interesting stuff. Still its awfully hard to gain weight without
having a surplus of calories. Heck, even in your case it's not like
you are really that big. You are lean, and freakishly strong, but not
that big. Have you ever actually tried eating big?

> So, in a nutshell, you're wrong, Delenn

I wouldn't go that far...

>>> I'd appreciate any help or advice. Thanks.
>>
>> I doubt it. But welcome anyway.
>
> Training is more important. Take your food shortly after exercise.
>
> There.

Training is certainly important, but I still contend that it is hard
to gain weight without increasing your calorie intake.

Jason
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DZ <13463.RemoveThis@74722660.701217653.13915.28110.2475> writes:

> Jason Earl <jearl.RemoveThis@xmission.com> wrote:
>> DZ writes:
>>> Delenn <Delenn.RemoveThis@whoever.com> wrote:
>>>> ChickenSamwich wrote:
>>>>> I'm somewhat of a hard gainer and I'm looking to bulk up.
>>>>> Anyone know any websites I can go to that show me the proper
>>>>> things I should be eating and things like that? I'm a bit of a
>>>>> picky eater, so tuna and stuff like that isn't really an option.
>>>>
>>>> Imagine the coincidence, a hardgainer who also happens not to
>>>> like many foods. Too bad about your genetics.
>>>>
>>>>> Money is a bit of an issue too, as I'm currently in university
>>>>> up to my ass in student loans.
>>>>
>>>> So it has to be cheap but also delectable protein that isn't
>>>> canned tuna? How do you feel about eggs?
>>>>
>>>>> Also, if anyone has any general advice on foods to be eating,
>>>>> how often to eat, etc. in order to gain the extra weight I want,
>>>>> I'd be happy to read that too.
>>>>
>>>> You won't like the answer.
>>>
>>> Well, I used to be in the same situation - scrawny as a stick,
>>> didn't really like food (still don't), couldn't do a single
>>> pullup, no endurance etc. I had persistence in my training but I
>>> never believed eating more than I want (or multiple times a day in
>>> general) is necessary or healthy.
>>
>> You've certainly made progress . I took a look at the video of
>> yourself you posted earlier and was impressed. What the heck do
>> you call that exercise where you do a pull up and then just keep on
>> going?
>
> Well I've been told in this group it's "muscle-ups" but they've
> likely been trolling me. I hesitate to tell the name of it when
> asked in person because then I often get this look like I'm fresh
> from a Siberian nuthouse.

No one that has seen you do one of those monsters is likely to mock
you about it. They look seriously cool.

>>> I still wouldn't shove food unless I want to eat - which happens
>>> in the evening after my daily training - partly due to
>>> tradition. You know, social stuff.
>>
>> Are you saying that you only eat one time a day? If so, that's
>> amazing.
>>
>>> But I gained considerable strength and muscle over the years.
>>> Rest assured I collected all kinds of literature in support and
>>> justification of what I'm doing.
>>
>> I have read quite a bit of the research that you have posted. Very
>> interesting stuff. Still its awfully hard to gain weight without
>> having a surplus of calories. Heck, even in your case it's not
>> like you are really that big. You are lean, and freakishly strong,
>> but not that big. Have you ever actually tried eating big?
>
> That's my point - why would I try eating big?

An excellent point too ... .

> Pigging/cutting cycles and eating like it's your second job are not
> the only option. Besides I don't train to gain any more weight - my
> training is more an interval type - I do whole body workouts
> alternating sets of different exercises.

I tend to agree with you. I don't spend my entire day eating either.
I did, however, find that my performance went up considerably when I
cleaned up my diet. For me "cleaning up my diet" included eating more
regularly (I used to skip breakfast). Now I eat at least three times
a day, and making sure I got at least 160 g of protein a day.

Tuna fish has become one of the staples of my diet .

> Just how much muscle can you gain in a day? (very little). The
> allegedly hardgaining person is not at the caloric deficit,
> allegedly Otherwise he'd be losing weight. I'd try to change the
> composition of the diet and arrange eating protein-rich food around
> the time of exercise.

Even if you are an "easy gainer" (or whatever they call them) you can
only add so much muscle per day. However, if you have been working
out, you are already lean, and you aren't gaining weight, then you
need to look to your diet. That's probably going to include an
increase in your protein intake. Tuna fish is an excellent way to get
the extra protein without breaking the bank.

>>> So, in a nutshell, you're wrong, Delenn
>>
>> I wouldn't go that far...
>
> That he "won't like THE answer"?
>
> DZ

Oh, I see what you mean.
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