some beginner questions

Pete wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1 RemoveThis @proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
>>>> DIET !!!!! That's the word you were looking for...
>
>>> Well...
>
>>> Lets say you are carb depleted.
>
>>> I mean, while you move that treadmill you HAVE to burn something, i
>>> guess...
>
>> Yes, glycogen. But what after that when there's no carbs to
>> replenish the glycogen ?
>
> Was that a rhetorical question? ;-O

Erm, yes!

>
> Well...
>
> Fat cells are broken down by the liver and converted to glucose?
>
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> Pete



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"Charles" <jrh.TakeThisOut@msn.com> schreef:

> See Neil, you can still learn something, thus proving that you don't
> actually know everything.

> However, it is typical of you to try and discredit a true story simply
> because you're envious of the person who told it!

How childish!

Shame on you, Bully!

For punishment, you should start a thread with the title "Pete is my Hero!"

I dont care about the content...

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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:54:12 -0400, Shute <Shute.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:40:47 +0100, Charles <jrh.RemoveThis@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>It rather depends where you are; from the can is more than acceptable
>>in an al fresco situation, while cool beer at a party from crystal
>>goblets is a very esoteric experience.
>>
>>Pints of fine old English Real Ale is a treat in pewter tankards, and
>>I enjoy lager in a straight pint glass (also cold draught Guinness),
>>while draught bitter at the Rugby Club is best enjoyed in a handled
>>mug, which can be clasped to the chest for added security.
>>
>>I once was in a typical circle of rugby players following a great game
>>of rugby, all of us clutching our beer mugs in the traditional manner,
>>as the usual seemingly bottomless jug went endlessly round all the
>>players. I knew something was going on as everyone was trying hard not
>>to laugh for some odd reason.
>>
>>I downed my pint with a flourish as the jug approached yet again, when
>>there was a clunk against my teeth, which was as unexpected as it was
>>revolting. I discovered the opposing tight head prop, a gnarled and
>>seasoned old campaigner and friend, had removed his full set of false
>>teeth (with half his post match meal still clinging to them) and
>>without me seeing him do it, had dropped them in my beer mug.
>>
>>I began to urge as the 'floaters' worked on my imagination, and had to
>>flee in order to throw up in profusion in the nearest bog, which
>>happened to be the ladies toilet.
>>
>>I returned to the clubhouse midst great cheers, did the best I could
>>with my dignity, the jug reappeared as if by magic, and we got on with
>>the rest of the evening as though nothing had happened.
>>
>>And who says rugby isn't fun? ;o)
>
>Plus you can rap someone on the head with the mug if someone gets out
>of line right?

There are other less violent ways to draw attention to the fact that
you would like a refill! ;o)
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ultima_xyj.DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
>> Your co-worker is wrong. You cannot target fat on a specific area of
>> the body. And you cannot convert fat to muscle. You can lose fat
>> and gain muscle. And you can lose a percentage of fat all over
>> which will decrease the belly.
>>
>> The treadmill and speed you are using might not be enough to get the
>> fat off. You may need to go faster or for a longer period of time.
>> Or use another cardio equipment which gets better results.
>>
>> Do you have any other cardio equipment where you work out? Do they
>> have a way to view your heart rate? Getting your heart rate up to a
>> decent level is important for burning calories.
>
> I find cycling to be more difficult than trendmill but that's about
> the only other equipment I can find there that burns more energy than
> trendmill.
>
> I'm currently doing 5.5, yet I plan to increase the speed gradually
> until probably around 6.5. Also I have changed my schedule so that I
> will be on the trendmill for 1 hr instead of 30 minutes. I hope that
> will be enough to let me see some results in 2 months' time.

Just be careful if you start getting sort shins. If you are greatly
overweight, you would be way better of doing some none load-bearing exercise
such as the bike or rowing machine.

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In article <sffsj2915qollkt0i7t763s128kafu6eel.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
Shute <Shute.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:55:16 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800.RemoveThis@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <4q46jfFl5jv4U1.RemoveThis@individual.net>,
> > "Bully" <bully1.RemoveThis@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> >
> >> Pete wrote:
> >> > "Bully" <bully1.RemoveThis@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
> >> >
> >> >> I think you are providing, what can best be described as, erroneous
> >> >> information.
> >> >
> >> >>> Do you have any other cardio equipment where you work out? Do they
> >> >>> have a way to view your heart rate? Getting your heart rate up to a
> >> >>> decent level is important for burning calories.
> >> >
> >> >> DIET !!!!! That's the word you were looking for...
> >> >
> >> > Well...
> >> >
> >> > Lets say you are carb depleted.
> >> >
> >> > I mean, while you move that treadmill you HAVE to burn something, i
> >> > guess...
> >>
> >> Yes, glycogen. But what after that when there's no carbs to replenish the
> >> glycogen ?
> >
> >Proteins and fats. Energetic pathway is pretty much established. But
> >there is still no preferential fat-burning really.
> >
> >And, of course, some very nasty metabolic waste products being formed.
>
> What a bunch of bullshit.
>

You know, you are getting tiring. But I'll give you the short course in
the science behind my statement.

Proteins go though deamination in order to prepare them for energetic
usage. Waste product formed is ammonia, which is converted to urea.
Mostly that is okay (excreted as urine), but do a search for 'gout' and
see what can happen. Point is ammonia is a nasty metabolic waste product
for humans.

Fats mostly help with the Krebs cycle by producing acetyl-CoA though
beta-oxidization. However, it still could be argued that oxidization can
be a nasty metabolic thing. You have heard of anti-oxidants, right?
Supposedly anti-oxidants are good for you.

So, it really isn't a load of BS, but it may be something you are not
familiar with. And once again - the point is there is no preferential
fat burning going on. And adipose tissue (as well as muscle) would only
be used after dietary stores are exhausted. The mechanism for body
recomposition and body-fat reduction is basically calorie reduction.
There is no magic fat-burning workout.

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xenoverse wrote:
[...]

> I recently started to work out,

Congratulations! Welcome to the world of fitness and weights. (If you
stick around this newsgroup, you may also enjoy a big lump of misc.,
too!)

> <snip> I have a very noticible beer belly, which
> I want to get rid of.

http://theabsdiet.com/

Best of luck and, again, welcome!

[...]

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Shute wrote:
> On 23 Oct 2006 17:30:23 -0700, ultima_xyj DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >I find cycling to be more difficult than trendmill but that's about the
> >only other equipment I can find there that burns more energy than
> >trendmill.
> >
> >I'm currently doing 5.5, yet I plan to increase the speed gradually
> >until probably around 6.5. Also I have changed my schedule so that I
> >will be on the trendmill for 1 hr instead of 30 minutes. I hope that
> >will be enough to let me see some results in 2 months' time.
>
> I forgot to ask you how many days a week you where going. If your
> are going 3 days a week you should probably do at least 45 minutes.
> You might get away with less if you are very overweight and out of
> shape since you will be getting a heavier workout. Or if you plan to
> go more often than that. No need to go more than an hour on a single
> day though. On the treadmill I can only go just so fast because I am
> not able to run or jog. I can only fast walk so it doesn't burn off
> as much calories. If you are capable of doing a full sprint then
> naturally your going to burn more calories on it. I wouldn't
> recommended it unless you are coordinated enough not to get hurt.
>
> If the bike is harder than it might be good to do at least some of
> that. For instance you could do 20 minutes on the bike and 20 on the
> treadmill. Or you could do ten minutes on the bike and 35 on the
> treadmill. Use the bike to get your heart going a little more. The
> goal is to go fast enough to at least breaking a sweat but still be
> able to talk. That area is sort of your threshold where you will get
> the best workout.
>
> Don't worry if you don't lose weight your first week. But by your
> second an third you should start seeing some results on the scale or
> it isn't working. You should be able to burn off at least 1.5 pounds
> per week. If you are looking for more than that then you will either
> need a more intense workout or to cut a lot of food out of your diet.
>
> Hope that helps.

Thanks for the help. I got the idea now. I workout every weekday and
take a break on weekends. Currently, I'm doing two 30 minutes runs a
day with 5.5 speed and 2.0 incline. My plan is to increase the speed
and incline every week. I do sweat a lot while running. I could soak
half of my T-shirt in sweat. I guess that should be enough?

Thanks for all the help. I will adjust my exercise plan accordingly as
I move along.
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"Hobbes" <khobman800 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote
> Shute <Shute DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>> Hobbes <khobman800 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > "Bully" <bully1 DeleteThis @proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>> >> Pete wrote:
>> >> > "Bully" <bully1 DeleteThis @proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I think you are providing, what can best be described as, erroneous
>> >> >> information.
>> >> >
>> >> >>> Do you have any other cardio equipment where you work out? Do
>> >> >>> they
>> >> >>> have a way to view your heart rate? Getting your heart rate up to
>> >> >>> a
>> >> >>> decent level is important for burning calories.
>> >> >
>> >> >> DIET !!!!! That's the word you were looking for...
>> >> >
>> >> > Well...
>> >> >
>> >> > Lets say you are carb depleted.
>> >> >
>> >> > I mean, while you move that treadmill you HAVE to burn something, i
>> >> > guess...
>> >>
>> >> Yes, glycogen. But what after that when there's no carbs to replenish
>> >> the
>> >> glycogen ?
>> >
>> >Proteins and fats. Energetic pathway is pretty much established. But
>> >there is still no preferential fat-burning really.
>> >
>> >And, of course, some very nasty metabolic waste products being formed.
>>
>> What a bunch of bullshit.
>>
> You know, you are getting tiring. But I'll give you the short course in
> the science behind my statement.
>
> Proteins go though deamination in order to prepare them for energetic
> usage. Waste product formed is ammonia, which is converted to urea.
> Mostly that is okay (excreted as urine), but do a search for 'gout' and
> see what can happen. Point is ammonia is a nasty metabolic waste product
> for humans.
>
> Fats mostly help with the Krebs cycle by producing acetyl-CoA though
> beta-oxidization. However, it still could be argued that oxidization can
> be a nasty metabolic thing. You have heard of anti-oxidants, right?
> Supposedly anti-oxidants are good for you.
>
> So, it really isn't a load of BS, but it may be something you are not
> familiar with. And once again - the point is there is no preferential
> fat burning going on. And adipose tissue (as well as muscle) would only
> be used after dietary stores are exhausted. The mechanism for body
> recomposition and body-fat reduction is basically calorie reduction.
> There is no magic fat-burning workout.

Give it up, Keith. Your reknowned Canadian niceness isn't going to cut it.
Poop Shute is so overwhelmingly proud of his overwhelming ignorance, that we
are dealing with some serious psychiatric pathology.

David
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In article <cwt%g.12329$Lv3.1486@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Hobbes" <khobman800.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote
> > Shute <Shute.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> Hobbes <khobman800.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > "Bully" <bully1.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> >> >> Pete wrote:
> >> >> > "Bully" <bully1.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> I think you are providing, what can best be described as, erroneous
> >> >> >> information.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> Do you have any other cardio equipment where you work out? Do
> >> >> >>> they
> >> >> >>> have a way to view your heart rate? Getting your heart rate up to
> >> >> >>> a
> >> >> >>> decent level is important for burning calories.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> DIET !!!!! That's the word you were looking for...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Well...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Lets say you are carb depleted.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I mean, while you move that treadmill you HAVE to burn something, i
> >> >> > guess...
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, glycogen. But what after that when there's no carbs to replenish
> >> >> the
> >> >> glycogen ?
> >> >
> >> >Proteins and fats. Energetic pathway is pretty much established. But
> >> >there is still no preferential fat-burning really.
> >> >
> >> >And, of course, some very nasty metabolic waste products being formed.
> >>
> >> What a bunch of bullshit.
> >>
> > You know, you are getting tiring. But I'll give you the short course in
> > the science behind my statement.
> >
> > Proteins go though deamination in order to prepare them for energetic
> > usage. Waste product formed is ammonia, which is converted to urea.
> > Mostly that is okay (excreted as urine), but do a search for 'gout' and
> > see what can happen. Point is ammonia is a nasty metabolic waste product
> > for humans.
> >
> > Fats mostly help with the Krebs cycle by producing acetyl-CoA though
> > beta-oxidization. However, it still could be argued that oxidization can
> > be a nasty metabolic thing. You have heard of anti-oxidants, right?
> > Supposedly anti-oxidants are good for you.
> >
> > So, it really isn't a load of BS, but it may be something you are not
> > familiar with. And once again - the point is there is no preferential
> > fat burning going on. And adipose tissue (as well as muscle) would only
> > be used after dietary stores are exhausted. The mechanism for body
> > recomposition and body-fat reduction is basically calorie reduction.
> > There is no magic fat-burning workout.
>
> Give it up, Keith. Your reknowned Canadian niceness isn't going to cut it.

Hokay. I'm done.

Carry on.

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On Mon, 23 Oct 2006, Pete wrote:

> "Bully" <bully1 RemoveThis @proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
>>>> DIET !!!!! That's the word you were looking for...
>>>
>>> Well...
>>>
>>> Lets say you are carb depleted.
>>>
>>> I mean, while you move that treadmill you HAVE to burn something, i
>>> guess...
>>
>> Yes, glycogen. But what after that when there's no carbs to replenish the
>> glycogen ?
>
> Was that a rhetorical question? ;-O
>
> Well...
>
> Fat cells are broken down by the liver and converted to glucose?

I was going to point out that fat can't be converted to glucose, at least
not by people. But then, i put myself in the position of a fat molecule in
Pete's liver: am i really going to tell that guy he can't convert me into
glucose? No. So maybe for Pete this works.

tom

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