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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:06 pm
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Hi.
I have a question about fat. Now I don't know if this is the right
newsgroup to ask. And I'm not even sure what words to search for in a
search engine to find my answer.
And I'm not an expert on health.
Ok, now. The fat in food provides 9 calories per gram. Now, how about
the fat on our body? When food is not plentiful and the body goes for
its own fat, does that fat also provide 9 calories per gram too?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:11 am
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On Apr 6, 2:24 am, "David" <forgot....RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> "ripplesoflife" <ripplesofl....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Hi.
>
> > I have a question about fat. Now I don't know if this is the right
> > newsgroup to ask. And I'm not even sure what words to search for in a
> > search engine to find my answer.
>
> > And I'm not an expert on health.
>
> > Ok, now. The fat in food provides 9 calories per gram. Now, how about
> > the fat on our body? When food is not plentiful and the body goes for
> > its own fat, does that fat also provide 9 calories per gram too?
>
> > Thanks
>
> What is your purpose in asking this question. What problem are you trying to
> solve?
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I'm just wondering about losing fat. And the technical (think that's
the word I want) aspects of it.
For example, if what I mentioned in my first message was true, then in
order to lose, let's say 500 g of fat from my body. I would have to
stay active enough to use up 9 cal x 500 g = 4500 calories (hmm...
that's more than a day's needed consumption), and that's after I've
used up all the calories from the meal(s) I had.
But now I just remembered something else. My teacher mentioned this
once, and I don't remember being too clear on it.
Now when the body begins to consume itself for energy, what does it go
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:24 am
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On Apr 6, 3:11 am, "ripplesoflife" <ripplesofl... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 6, 2:24 am, "David" <forgot... DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
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> > "ripplesoflife" <ripplesofl... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >news:1175839611.070396.38140@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Hi.
>
> > > I have a question about fat. Now I don't know if this is the right
> > > newsgroup to ask. And I'm not even sure what words to search for in a
> > > search engine to find my answer.
>
> > > And I'm not an expert on health.
>
> > > Ok, now. The fat in food provides 9 calories per gram. Now, how about
> > > the fat on our body? When food is not plentiful and the body goes for
> > > its own fat, does that fat also provide 9 calories per gram too?
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > What is your purpose in asking this question. What problem are you trying to
> > solve?
>
> > - Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I'm just wondering about losing fat. And the technical (think that's
> the word I want) aspects of it.
> For example, if what I mentioned in my first message was true, then in
> order to lose, let's say 500 g of fat from my body. I would have to
> stay active enough to use up 9 cal x 500 g = 4500 calories (hmm...
> that's more than a day's needed consumption), and that's after I've
> used up all the calories from the meal(s) I had.
>
> But now I just remembered something else. My teacher mentioned this
> once, and I don't remember being too clear on it.
> Now when the body begins to consume itself for energy, what does it go
> for first? The muscle (protein???), or the fat???- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hmm... According to wikipedia, Catabolysis is the word for the body
breaking itself down for energy, and it begins with the muscle.
Now with that in mind, techncially, how is the fat lost?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 3:14 am
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"ripplesoflife" <ripplesoflife DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Hi.
>
> I have a question about fat. Now I don't know if this is the right
> newsgroup to ask. And I'm not even sure what words to search for in a
> search engine to find my answer.
>
> And I'm not an expert on health.
>
> Ok, now. The fat in food provides 9 calories per gram. Now, how about
> the fat on our body? When food is not plentiful and the body goes for
> its own fat, does that fat also provide 9 calories per gram too?
>
> Thanks
What is your purpose in asking this question. What problem are you trying to
solve?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:15 am
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"ripplesoflife" <ripplesoflife.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Apr 6, 3:11 am, "ripplesoflife" <ripplesofl....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Apr 6, 2:24 am, "David" <forgot....RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
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>> > "ripplesoflife" <ripplesofl....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> >news:1175839611.070396.38140@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > > Hi.
>>
>> > > I have a question about fat. Now I don't know if this is the right
>> > > newsgroup to ask. And I'm not even sure what words to search for in a
>> > > search engine to find my answer.
>>
>> > > And I'm not an expert on health.
>>
>> > > Ok, now. The fat in food provides 9 calories per gram. Now, how about
>> > > the fat on our body? When food is not plentiful and the body goes for
>> > > its own fat, does that fat also provide 9 calories per gram too?
>>
>> > > Thanks
>>
>> > What is your purpose in asking this question. What problem are you
>> > trying to
>> > solve?
>>
>> > - Hide quoted text -
>>
>> > - Show quoted text -
>>
>> I'm just wondering about losing fat. And the technical (think that's
>> the word I want) aspects of it.
>> For example, if what I mentioned in my first message was true, then in
>> order to lose, let's say 500 g of fat from my body. I would have to
>> stay active enough to use up 9 cal x 500 g = 4500 calories (hmm...
>> that's more than a day's needed consumption), and that's after I've
>> used up all the calories from the meal(s) I had.
>>
>> But now I just remembered something else. My teacher mentioned this
>> once, and I don't remember being too clear on it.
>> Now when the body begins to consume itself for energy, what does it go
>> for first? The muscle (protein???), or the fat???- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Hmm... According to wikipedia, Catabolysis is the word for the body
> breaking itself down for energy, and it begins with the muscle.
> Now with that in mind, techncially, how is the fat lost?
>
> Oh, well.
You need a calorie deficit of 3500 to lose a lb - so you would need to know
your maintenance level and reduce around 500 calories per day if you are
going to lose a lb per week. As for what sources your body uses for energy,
it's not an exact science however if you consume adequate protein and work
your muscles you will use a minimum of muscle tiissue for energy.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:15 am
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"ripplesoflife" <ripplesoflife.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote
> "David" <forgot....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> "ripplesoflife" <ripplesofl....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > I have a question about fat. Now I don't know if this is the right
>> > newsgroup to ask. And I'm not even sure what words to search for in a
>> > search engine to find my answer.
>>
>> > And I'm not an expert on health.
>>
>> > Ok, now. The fat in food provides 9 calories per gram. Now, how about
>> > the fat on our body? When food is not plentiful and the body goes for
>> > its own fat, does that fat also provide 9 calories per gram too?
>>
>> What is your purpose in asking this question. What problem are you trying
>> to
>> solve?
> I'm just wondering about losing fat. And the technical (think that's
> the word I want) aspects of it.
Don't be embarrassed to admit the truth. Even cannibals have fat loss
issues. Try eating only marathon runners and fitness bunnies. Avoid
powerlifters.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:19 am
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"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> schreef:
> Don't be embarrassed to admit the truth. Even cannibals have fat loss
> issues. Try eating only marathon runners and fitness bunnies. Avoid
> powerlifters.
Besides, powerlifters dont taste very well, either.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 5:19 am
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"Pete" <phoutstra RemoveThis @wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad RemoveThis @earthlink.net> schreef:
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>> Don't be embarrassed to admit the truth. Even cannibals have fat loss
>> issues. Try eating only marathon runners and fitness bunnies. Avoid
>> powerlifters.
>
> Besides, powerlifters dont taste very well, either.
What are you talking about?? Have you ever eaten 'powerlifter'? If it is
prepared well, properly marinated, it tastes as good as dog meat. Even
better.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:15 am
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"David" <forgotwhy.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.au> schreef:
>>> Don't be embarrassed to admit the truth. Even cannibals have fat loss
>>> issues. Try eating only marathon runners and fitness bunnies. Avoid
>>> powerlifters.
>> Besides, powerlifters dont taste very well, either.
> What are you talking about?? Have you ever eaten 'powerlifter'? If it is
> prepared well, properly marinated, it tastes as good as dog meat. Even
> better.
Sometimes, i phantasize about eating human flesh, espesially womens flesh.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:15 am
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"Pete" <phoutstra DeleteThis @wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> schreef:
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>>>> Don't be embarrassed to admit the truth. Even cannibals have fat loss
>>>> issues. Try eating only marathon runners and fitness bunnies. Avoid
>>>> powerlifters.
>
>>> Besides, powerlifters dont taste very well, either.
>
>> What are you talking about?? Have you ever eaten 'powerlifter'? If it is
>> prepared well, properly marinated, it tastes as good as dog meat. Even
>> better.
>
> Sometimes, i phantasize about eating human flesh, espesially womens flesh.
>
Pete, I sincerely hope that it isn't about eating 'dick' that you fantasize
about!
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:10 am
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ripplesoflife wrote:
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> <snip> Catabolysis <snip>
Ah, obviously you're a PubMed man! Well done. Catabolysis to you, too,
good sir!
> Now with that in mind, techncially,
Techncially? Whaa?
> how is the fat lost?
Weeeellllll, "techncially" speaking, fat is lost in a very espencially
and logicncially way, obviouncially. As you well know, PubMed outlines
the specific parameters and whyfores plus wherefores of your, um,
aforementioned query.
I hope this clears things up.
Sincerncially yours,
Curt
P.S. Or you could just not worry about the specifics and simply eat
less and exercise more. Best of luck!
Note: Certain portions of my reply were culled from various Internet
and Intranet Usenet-type as well as forum-bound groups and hitherto
Pop Fitness Web sites. Thank you.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 10:26 am
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On Fri, 6 Apr 2007, Pete wrote:
> "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> schreef:
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>>>> Don't be embarrassed to admit the truth. Even cannibals have fat loss
>>>> issues. Try eating only marathon runners and fitness bunnies. Avoid
>>>> powerlifters.
>
>>> Besides, powerlifters dont taste very well, either.
>
>> What are you talking about?? Have you ever eaten 'powerlifter'? If it is
>> prepared well, properly marinated, it tastes as good as dog meat. Even
>> better.
>
> Sometimes, i phantasize about eating human flesh, espesially womens flesh.
In attempts to try and stay lean I constantly look for lean cuts of meat
that still taste good (or can be prepared to taste good). That said,
occasionally while at the gym and I get a great pump going I think about
how taste it would be to tear some flesh off of my own body and prepare it
for lunch/dinner. I haven't done it yet and probably won't (seems
counter-productive).
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"Curt" <curtjames.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> ripplesoflife wrote:
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>> <snip> Catabolysis <snip>
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> Ah, obviously you're a PubMed man! Well done. Catabolysis to you, too,
> good sir!
>
>> Now with that in mind, techncially,
>
> Techncially? Whaa?
>
>> how is the fat lost?
>
> Weeeellllll, "techncially" speaking, fat is lost in a very espencially
> and logicncially way, obviouncially. As you well know, PubMed outlines
> the specific parameters and whyfores plus wherefores of your, um,
> aforementioned query.
Curt, I've always asked you to PLEASE not start drinking so early in the
day!
>
> I hope this clears things up.
>
> Sincerncially yours,
> Curt
>
> P.S. Or you could just not worry about the specifics and simply eat
> less and exercise more. Best of luck!
>
> Note: Certain portions of my reply were culled from various Internet
> and Intranet Usenet-type as well as forum-bound groups and hitherto
> Pop Fitness Web sites. Thank you.
>
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"Shute" <Shute.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 17:56:18 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au>
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>>"ripplesoflife" <ripplesoflife.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Apr 6, 3:11 am, "ripplesoflife" <ripplesofl....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Apr 6, 2:24 am, "David" <forgot....RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> > "ripplesoflife" <ripplesofl....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> >news:1175839611.070396.38140@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>>>
>>>> > > Hi.
>>>>
>>>> > > I have a question about fat. Now I don't know if this is the right
>>>> > > newsgroup to ask. And I'm not even sure what words to search for in
>>>> > > a
>>>> > > search engine to find my answer.
>>>>
>>>> > > And I'm not an expert on health.
>>>>
>>>> > > Ok, now. The fat in food provides 9 calories per gram. Now, how
>>>> > > about
>>>> > > the fat on our body? When food is not plentiful and the body goes
>>>> > > for
>>>> > > its own fat, does that fat also provide 9 calories per gram too?
>>>>
>>>> > > Thanks
>>>>
>>>> > What is your purpose in asking this question. What problem are you
>>>> > trying to
>>>> > solve?
>>>>
>>>> > - Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> > - Show quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> I'm just wondering about losing fat. And the technical (think that's
>>>> the word I want) aspects of it.
>>>> For example, if what I mentioned in my first message was true, then in
>>>> order to lose, let's say 500 g of fat from my body. I would have to
>>>> stay active enough to use up 9 cal x 500 g = 4500 calories (hmm...
>>>> that's more than a day's needed consumption), and that's after I've
>>>> used up all the calories from the meal(s) I had.
>>>>
>>>> But now I just remembered something else. My teacher mentioned this
>>>> once, and I don't remember being too clear on it.
>>>> Now when the body begins to consume itself for energy, what does it go
>>>> for first? The muscle (protein???), or the fat???- Hide quoted text -
>>>>
>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>
>>> Hmm... According to wikipedia, Catabolysis is the word for the body
>>> breaking itself down for energy, and it begins with the muscle.
>>> Now with that in mind, techncially, how is the fat lost?
>>>
>>> Oh, well.
>>
>>You need a calorie deficit of 3500 to lose a lb - so you would need to
>>know
>>your maintenance level and reduce around 500 calories per day if you are
>>going to lose a lb per week. As for what sources your body uses for
>>energy,
>>it's not an exact science however if you consume adequate protein and work
>>your muscles you will use a minimum of muscle tiissue for energy.
>
> I think it can get a lot more complicated then that. It can depend on
> how the calories are cut and for how long. For instance in the early
> stages the body is going to go for any other fuel reserves before it
> even tries to touch the fat. And much of the early weight loss is
> just water. Plus if the diet or exercise isn't done right the body
> could just slow down and not burn off any fat.
>
> What you wrote works well for someone on a sustained diet who knows
> what they are doing. What's that about 1% of the population.
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