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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:17 pm
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I have a question regarding a weight loss "program" that my wife is
interested in participating in.
While I don't know every single detail about the diet I will give you
all a high level explaination of what it entails. In this diet
monitored by a doctor you are given b12 shots, a medication called
Phendimetrazine, a multivitamin, some other medication (Xenical?), and
you are to follow a high protein diet that is similar to the adkins or
south beach diet only taking in roughly 1200 calories a day. In this
program you are to exercise as well.
Does anyone here have any experience with such a diet? Some of the
stories I've heard of people losing 40lbs. in two months seems
incredible to me......incredibly dangerous too.
This diet program is not covered by insurance so the doctor visits are
somewhat expensive. I think it's $200 for an initial visit and $70
for each visit which is supposed to happen at least once a week.
For those with some knowledge or experience with this diet, I am
curious to know how do you know it's the diet program that is working
rather than the fact that you are taking in a high-protein 1200
calories diet coupled with exercise? According to the diet you are to
eat 5-6 small meals a day and exercise 5x a week. Well to me, if you
took in that amount of calories of mostly protein coupled with
exercise you are going to lose weight. In other words, when I see
commercials for weigh loss pills like Zantrex in small print they say
something along the lines of "for best results diet and exercise". As
I already said, in this instance it seems to me that what is really
shedding the lbs is the diet and exercising.
It is my understanding that it is not safe to lose more than 2lbs a
week. If people are dropping 40lbs over the course of eight weeks
that would be a seemingly dangerous 5lbs a week.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:06 pm
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On Mar 13, 3:17 pm, bad.b....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have a question regarding a weight loss "program" that my wife is
> interested in participating in.
>
> While I don't know every single detail about the diet I will give you
> all a high level explaination of what it entails. In this diet
> monitored by a doctor you are given b12 shots, a medication called
> Phendimetrazine, a multivitamin, some other medication (Xenical?), and
> you are to follow a high protein diet that is similar to the adkins or
> south beach diet only taking in roughly 1200 calories a day. In this
> program you are to exercise as well.
>
> Does anyone here have any experience with such a diet? Some of the
> stories I've heard of people losing 40lbs. in two months seems
> incredible to me......incredibly dangerous too.
>
> This diet program is not covered by insurance so the doctor visits are
> somewhat expensive. I think it's $200 for an initial visit and $70
> for each visit which is supposed to happen at least once a week.
>
> For those with some knowledge or experience with this diet, I am
> curious to know how do you know it's the diet program that is working
> rather than the fact that you are taking in a high-protein 1200
> calories diet coupled with exercise? According to the diet you are to
> eat 5-6 small meals a day and exercise 5x a week. Well to me, if you
> took in that amount of calories of mostly protein coupled with
> exercise you are going to lose weight. In other words, when I see
> commercials for weigh loss pills like Zantrex in small print they say
> something along the lines of "for best results diet and exercise". As
> I already said, in this instance it seems to me that what is really
> shedding the lbs is the diet and exercising.
>
> It is my understanding that it is not safe to lose more than 2lbs a
> week. If people are dropping 40lbs over the course of eight weeks
> that would be a seemingly dangerous 5lbs a week.
>
> Can anyone please comment?
1200 calories isn't very many, but since I don't know her weight or
how much she plans to lose, I can't say for sure. I am sure that it
needn't be a high protein diet though with 1200 calories. Any mix
would do. 1200 calories would be the maintenance calories for about a
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:16 pm
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My guess is, if she was to just cut down calories and exercise, without the
dr, or the shots, she would lose weight..
Will~
<bad.beat DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I have a question regarding a weight loss "program" that my wife is
> interested in participating in.
>
> While I don't know every single detail about the diet I will give you
> all a high level explaination of what it entails. In this diet
> monitored by a doctor you are given b12 shots, a medication called
> Phendimetrazine, a multivitamin, some other medication (Xenical?), and
> you are to follow a high protein diet that is similar to the adkins or
> south beach diet only taking in roughly 1200 calories a day. In this
> program you are to exercise as well.
>
> Does anyone here have any experience with such a diet? Some of the
> stories I've heard of people losing 40lbs. in two months seems
> incredible to me......incredibly dangerous too.
>
> This diet program is not covered by insurance so the doctor visits are
> somewhat expensive. I think it's $200 for an initial visit and $70
> for each visit which is supposed to happen at least once a week.
>
> For those with some knowledge or experience with this diet, I am
> curious to know how do you know it's the diet program that is working
> rather than the fact that you are taking in a high-protein 1200
> calories diet coupled with exercise? According to the diet you are to
> eat 5-6 small meals a day and exercise 5x a week. Well to me, if you
> took in that amount of calories of mostly protein coupled with
> exercise you are going to lose weight. In other words, when I see
> commercials for weigh loss pills like Zantrex in small print they say
> something along the lines of "for best results diet and exercise". As
> I already said, in this instance it seems to me that what is really
> shedding the lbs is the diet and exercising.
>
> It is my understanding that it is not safe to lose more than 2lbs a
> week. If people are dropping 40lbs over the course of eight weeks
> that would be a seemingly dangerous 5lbs a week.
>
> Can anyone please comment?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:26 pm
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bad.beat.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> I have a question regarding a weight loss "program" that my wife is
> interested in participating in.
>
> While I don't know every single detail about the diet I will give you
> all a high level explaination of what it entails. In this diet
> monitored by a doctor you are given b12 shots, a medication called
> Phendimetrazine, a multivitamin, some other medication (Xenical?), and
> you are to follow a high protein diet that is similar to the adkins or
> south beach diet only taking in roughly 1200 calories a day. In this
> program you are to exercise as well.
>
> Does anyone here have any experience with such a diet? Some of the
> stories I've heard of people losing 40lbs. in two months seems
> incredible to me......incredibly dangerous too.
<snip>
I've never heard of this one but expensive 'diet programs' like this are a
dime a dozen.
If she's going to be following an Atkins type diet anyways my suggestion
would be to buy the book, a good multivitamin, and a pair of sweats and try
it without the shots, meds, and weekly visits. If she exercises and follows
the diet she'll lose weight.
--
Jeri
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:48 am
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<bad.beat DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I have a question regarding a weight loss "program" that my wife is
> interested in participating in.
>
> While I don't know every single detail about the diet I will give you
> all a high level explaination of what it entails. In this diet
> monitored by a doctor you are given b12 shots, a medication called
> Phendimetrazine, a multivitamin, some other medication (Xenical?), and
> you are to follow a high protein diet that is similar to the adkins or
> south beach diet only taking in roughly 1200 calories a day. In this
> program you are to exercise as well.
>
> Does anyone here have any experience with such a diet? Some of the
> stories I've heard of people losing 40lbs. in two months seems
> incredible to me......incredibly dangerous too.
>
> This diet program is not covered by insurance so the doctor visits are
> somewhat expensive. I think it's $200 for an initial visit and $70
> for each visit which is supposed to happen at least once a week.
>
> For those with some knowledge or experience with this diet, I am
> curious to know how do you know it's the diet program that is working
> rather than the fact that you are taking in a high-protein 1200
> calories diet coupled with exercise? According to the diet you are to
> eat 5-6 small meals a day and exercise 5x a week. Well to me, if you
> took in that amount of calories of mostly protein coupled with
> exercise you are going to lose weight. In other words, when I see
> commercials for weigh loss pills like Zantrex in small print they say
> something along the lines of "for best results diet and exercise". As
> I already said, in this instance it seems to me that what is really
> shedding the lbs is the diet and exercising.
>
> It is my understanding that it is not safe to lose more than 2lbs a
> week. If people are dropping 40lbs over the course of eight weeks
> that would be a seemingly dangerous 5lbs a week.
>
> Can anyone please comment?
I don't know how much she has to lose, but unless she is quite obese, losing
40 lbs in 2 months is NOT safe. A very heavy person can lose quite a lot of
weight initially, greatly because of water loss initially in a diet. But
normally, overweight people will only see a 5 lb loss maybe in the first
week, or maybe 2, and then it tapers off to 2lbs per week or less when the
water loss stops.
1200 calories per day of a "WELL BALANCED" diet is safe. It is not
starvation, but it could be tough to stick to. Exercise of course is
healthy as well. I don't see the benefit of vitamin B shots, maybe somebody
could enlighten us? But I would definitely stay away from anything habit
forming.
If your wife ate 1200 calories per day, did a nice brisk walk for 30-60
minutes per day, she ought to lose anywhere from 1-2 lbs per week. I would
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:28 am
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On Mar 14, 6:48 am, "determined" <determi....DeleteThis@comcast.nest> wrote:
> I don't know how much she has to lose, but unless she is quite obese, losing
> 40 lbs in 2 months is NOT safe. <<snip>> 1200 calories per day of a "WELL BALANCED"
> diet is safe. It is not starvation, but it could be tough to stick to.
I dont think losing more than 1-2lbs a week is 'unsafe', as in it
would endanger your health in any way, but its more likely
'unsustainable' when one loses so fast. Meaning that when you lose
fast you are more likely to gain it all back real fast too (and then
some) - yoyo dieting IS bad for your health. Your body needs time to
adapt, to make real longterm changes. Picking 1200 calories as the
'magic number' is wrong too (one size does not fit all). They should
consider how many calories they are currently ingesting to maintain
their current weight and then cut back a modest 500 calories(and/or
increase exercise) to lose weight. Remember too that as one progresses
calories should then again be increased to 'maintenance' levels to
reflect a healthy 'sustainable' lifestyle. Anyone can 'diet' by one
means or another, but keeping it off is the real problem (they say
statistically only 5% do).
joanne
Exercise of course is
> healthy as well. I don't see the benefit of vitamin B shots, maybe somebody
> could enlighten us? But I would definitely stay away from anything habit
> forming.
>
> If your wife ate 1200 calories per day, did a nice brisk walk for 30-60
> minutes per day, she ought to lose anywhere from 1-2 lbs per week. I would
> not want to lose any faster than that.- Hide quoted text -
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:50 am
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On Mar 14, 10:48 am, "determined" <determi....RemoveThis@comcast.nest> wrote:
> <bad.b....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> >I have a question regarding a weight loss "program" that my wife is
> > interested in participating in.
>
> > While I don't know every single detail about the diet I will give you
> > all a high level explaination of what it entails. In this diet
> > monitored by a doctor you are given b12 shots, a medication called
> > Phendimetrazine, a multivitamin, some other medication (Xenical?), and
> > you are to follow a high protein diet that is similar to the adkins or
> > south beach diet only taking in roughly 1200 calories a day. In this
> > program you are to exercise as well.
>
> > Does anyone here have any experience with such a diet? Some of the
> > stories I've heard of people losing 40lbs. in two months seems
> > incredible to me......incredibly dangerous too.
>
> > This diet program is not covered by insurance so the doctor visits are
> > somewhat expensive. I think it's $200 for an initial visit and $70
> > for each visit which is supposed to happen at least once a week.
>
> > For those with some knowledge or experience with this diet, I am
> > curious to know how do you know it's the diet program that is working
> > rather than the fact that you are taking in a high-protein 1200
> > calories diet coupled with exercise? According to the diet you are to
> > eat 5-6 small meals a day and exercise 5x a week. Well to me, if you
> > took in that amount of calories of mostly protein coupled with
> > exercise you are going to lose weight. In other words, when I see
> > commercials for weigh loss pills like Zantrex in small print they say
> > something along the lines of "for best results diet and exercise". As
> > I already said, in this instance it seems to me that what is really
> > shedding the lbs is the diet and exercising.
>
> > It is my understanding that it is not safe to lose more than 2lbs a
> > week. If people are dropping 40lbs over the course of eight weeks
> > that would be a seemingly dangerous 5lbs a week.
>
> > Can anyone please comment?
>
> I don't know how much she has to lose, but unless she is quite obese, losing
> 40 lbs in 2 months is NOT safe. A very heavy person can lose quite a lot of
> weight initially, greatly because of water loss initially in a diet. But
> normally, overweight people will only see a 5 lb loss maybe in the first
> week, or maybe 2, and then it tapers off to 2lbs per week or less when the
> water loss stops.
>
> 1200 calories per day of a "WELL BALANCED" diet is safe. It is not
> starvation, but it could be tough to stick to. Exercise of course is
> healthy as well. I don't see the benefit of vitamin B shots, maybe somebody
> could enlighten us? But I would definitely stay away from anything habit
> forming.
>
> If your wife ate 1200 calories per day, did a nice brisk walk for 30-60
> minutes per day, she ought to lose anywhere from 1-2 lbs per week. I would
> not want to lose any faster than that.
Thank you all for the replies.
I'm not sure what qualifies as quite obese. She weighs around 215.
She carries it well but the fact of the matter is that she's 215. I
did a little research on the diet itself and come to find out it's the
"Bernstein Diet". Is anyone familiar with this diet and the long term
effects? My wife is not looking to see Dr. Berstein as he is in
Canada (I think) but it is at a similar clinic selling the same
services.
I personally am a fan of diet and exercising and I am very wary of
rapid weight loss promotions.
Now that I have a name, is anyone familiar with this "Bernstein Diet"
and can comment on its effectiveness? I know someone that works at
this kind of a clinic and he knows people that have lost 40 lbs. in
two months. What I don't know is how many of these people that have
lost that kind of weight kept it off in the following year.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 9:18 am
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"joanne" <jgrrl2.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Mar 14, 6:48 am, "determined" <determi....TakeThisOut@comcast.nest> wrote:
>> I don't know how much she has to lose, but unless she is quite obese,
>> losing
>> 40 lbs in 2 months is NOT safe. <<snip>> 1200 calories per day of a "WELL
>> BALANCED"
>> diet is safe. It is not starvation, but it could be tough to stick to.
>
> I dont think losing more than 1-2lbs a week is 'unsafe', as in it
> would endanger your health in any way,
honestly, it depends, imo. If you are quite heavy to begin with, 1-2lbs or
more per week is fine. If you are closer to goal, or even within 40 lbs of
goal, I would say it is dangerous, as the daily deficit required to lose
more than 2lbs per week would be greater than 1000 calories. So, if you
weigh say 170 lbs, your maintenance level is going to be *around* 2000
calories per day. So if you want to lose say 3 lbs per week, you are going
to have to have a deficit of AT LEAST 1500 calories every day. Through diet
alone, you would have to eat less than 500 calories, and I just can't see
getting adequate nutrition at that level. And if you combine diet and
exercise, and you burned an average of 500 calories each day in exercise,
then you could eat around 1000, for a deficit of 1500 calories, but still, I
don't think it's safe. In the long run, a diet like that will deplete your
body of energy and overall good health. I don't neccessarily believe in
'starvation mode', but I do believe that if you cut your calories too low,
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Maybe I'm butting in but will your wife listen to your thoughts on
this?...It sounds like she has already made the commitment and might just
benefit from support and at the same time work with her to adjust this whole
situation into a healthier mode...Bernstein,...Zone and on and on have been
tried by many...The fact that new ones come and go often speaks to the
reality of the problem...As many have said losing is something many of us
would get A+ in and yet most if not all of us have then regained the weight
and then some....I personally found WW to get me on track and I now seem to
have adjusted to a more normal lifestyle...We really don't lose for good
until something clicks in our heads...My thoughts would be that rather than
pointing out the reason why not to do what she is doing but rather work with
her and be her partner in the process...Get out and walk together and make
her feel good about changing...Certainly it will only work if she is ready
but the reality remains eat less and exercise more...Good luck in your
journey...GG
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> On Mar 14, 10:48 am, "determined" <determi....DeleteThis@comcast.nest> wrote:
>> <bad.b....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> news:1173820679.780984.67520@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
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>>
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>> >I have a question regarding a weight loss "program" that my wife is
>> > interested in participating in.
>>
>> > While I don't know every single detail about the diet I will give you
>> > all a high level explaination of what it entails. In this diet
>> > monitored by a doctor you are given b12 shots, a medication called
>> > Phendimetrazine, a multivitamin, some other medication (Xenical?), and
>> > you are to follow a high protein diet that is similar to the adkins or
>> > south beach diet only taking in roughly 1200 calories a day. In this
>> > program you are to exercise as well.
>>
>> > Does anyone here have any experience with such a diet? Some of the
>> > stories I've heard of people losing 40lbs. in two months seems
>> > incredible to me......incredibly dangerous too.
>>
>> > This diet program is not covered by insurance so the doctor visits are
>> > somewhat expensive. I think it's $200 for an initial visit and $70
>> > for each visit which is supposed to happen at least once a week.
>>
>> > For those with some knowledge or experience with this diet, I am
>> > curious to know how do you know it's the diet program that is working
>> > rather than the fact that you are taking in a high-protein 1200
>> > calories diet coupled with exercise? According to the diet you are to
>> > eat 5-6 small meals a day and exercise 5x a week. Well to me, if you
>> > took in that amount of calories of mostly protein coupled with
>> > exercise you are going to lose weight. In other words, when I see
>> > commercials for weigh loss pills like Zantrex in small print they say
>> > something along the lines of "for best results diet and exercise". As
>> > I already said, in this instance it seems to me that what is really
>> > shedding the lbs is the diet and exercising.
>>
>> > It is my understanding that it is not safe to lose more than 2lbs a
>> > week. If people are dropping 40lbs over the course of eight weeks
>> > that would be a seemingly dangerous 5lbs a week.
>>
>> > Can anyone please comment?
>>
>> I don't know how much she has to lose, but unless she is quite obese,
>> losing
>> 40 lbs in 2 months is NOT safe. A very heavy person can lose quite a lot
>> of
>> weight initially, greatly because of water loss initially in a diet. But
>> normally, overweight people will only see a 5 lb loss maybe in the first
>> week, or maybe 2, and then it tapers off to 2lbs per week or less when
>> the
>> water loss stops.
>>
>> 1200 calories per day of a "WELL BALANCED" diet is safe. It is not
>> starvation, but it could be tough to stick to. Exercise of course is
>> healthy as well. I don't see the benefit of vitamin B shots, maybe
>> somebody
>> could enlighten us? But I would definitely stay away from anything habit
>> forming.
>>
>> If your wife ate 1200 calories per day, did a nice brisk walk for 30-60
>> minutes per day, she ought to lose anywhere from 1-2 lbs per week. I
>> would
>> not want to lose any faster than that.
>
> Thank you all for the replies.
>
> I'm not sure what qualifies as quite obese. She weighs around 215.
> She carries it well but the fact of the matter is that she's 215. I
> did a little research on the diet itself and come to find out it's the
> "Bernstein Diet". Is anyone familiar with this diet and the long term
> effects? My wife is not looking to see Dr. Berstein as he is in
> Canada (I think) but it is at a similar clinic selling the same
> services.
>
> I personally am a fan of diet and exercising and I am very wary of
> rapid weight loss promotions.
>
> Now that I have a name, is anyone familiar with this "Bernstein Diet"
> and can comment on its effectiveness? I know someone that works at
> this kind of a clinic and he knows people that have lost 40 lbs. in
> two months. What I don't know is how many of these people that have
> lost that kind of weight kept it off in the following year.
>
> Again, thank you all for your input.
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On Mar 14, 7:54 am, "Willow Herself"
<willowki... RemoveThis @somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote:
> against what the WW science center presents to both staff and members. Of
> course WW doesn't hold all truths, but their researches and results are
> based on a lot of well reconized research and reseachers.
Sorry not a WW fan. Been there, gained it back. 
> Yo yo dieting has been proven NOT to be detrimental to one's health...
> physical health that is.. It's got to be harsh on one's self esteem, but
> physically... it's better than burgers all year long.
Gaining and losing weight over and over again IS bad for you because
people tend to gain more bodyfat each time they do this. More bodyfat
stresses the entire system. The body cannot adjust its metabolism back
and forth and soon you basically dont have one at all - like the
switch is broken off.
> Loosing too fast does put your health at risk. There are many reasons and
> effects (gallbladder issues, arythmia etc etc), the one that always struck
> me is muscle loss. If you lose fast, you're also losing a significant amount
> of muscles (along with the fat) which cannot be healthy.
That really depends on if you are exercising (muslce loss) and how
over weight one is (losing faster). People who have say a hundred lbs
to lose vs 20lbs will process 'losing mode' differently - as someone
mentioned the calorie deficit will be way differnt - so for someone
way over weight 2-5lbs a week isnt a 'health risk' IMHO. The show
BiggestLoser comes to mind - they didnt look very unhealthy losing
weight 'too fast'. I think sometimes its almost an excuse for some to
not give it their allout effort and stay in a comfort zone.
> Finaly, the 5% of people maintaining weight loss is a myth based on a paper
> writting, I think, in the 50s.... the ratio of people losing weight and
> keeping it off is actually a lot higher than that.
> You can look up Ann Fletcher's writtings, if I remember right she adresses
> the whole 5% myth in "Thin for life". It's also adressed at the WW science
> center and at other organisations that I can't remember right now. Even the
> Mayo clinic addressed that idiocy...
I'd be interested in some stats to back that up - one woman writing a
diet book isnt research, its her opinion - I did google around a bit
and everywhere that I could find basically says 5-10% actually keep it
off. I know dissapointing and we dont want to believe it. And of
course the reason is because most socalled 'diets' are not
sustainable. WW statistically may have higher longterm results as I do
think they do have a sustainable WOL program if people follow it
right, but overall the disappointing 5-10% reflects why the mega diet
industry is so big these says (people lose and gain and lose and gain
over and over again).
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:58 am
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In misc.fitness.weights joanne <jgrrl2.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mar 14, 6:48 am, "determined" <determi....TakeThisOut@comcast.nest> wrote:
>> I don't know how much she has to lose, but unless she is quite obese, losing
>> 40 lbs in 2 months is NOT safe. <<snip>> 1200 calories per day of a "WELL BALANCED"
>> diet is safe. It is not starvation, but it could be tough to stick to.
> I dont think losing more than 1-2lbs a week is 'unsafe', as in it
> would endanger your health in any way, but its more likely
> 'unsustainable' when one loses so fast. Meaning that when you lose
> fast you are more likely to gain it all back real fast too (and then
> some) - yoyo dieting IS bad for your health. Your body needs time to
> adapt, to make real longterm changes. Picking 1200 calories as the
> 'magic number' is wrong too (one size does not fit all). They should
> consider how many calories they are currently ingesting to maintain
> their current weight and then cut back a modest 500 calories(and/or
> increase exercise) to lose weight. Remember too that as one progresses
> calories should then again be increased to 'maintenance' levels to
> reflect a healthy 'sustainable' lifestyle. Anyone can 'diet' by one
> means or another, but keeping it off is the real problem (they say
> statistically only 5% do).
I think the problem is impatience. The only way to lose weight fast is
to go on a diet which is not sustainable in the long term. That gives
you two problems to overcome: the difficulty of sticking to the diet;
and having to make the transition to another maintenance diet and
sticking to that.
If you're content to lose weight slowly, say one pound a month, then
you can do so by making a minimal alteration to your current diet,
such as skipping some of your snacks or desserts. Much easier to stick
to, no diet transition problem, and if you start gaining again you'll
do so slowly, and it's very easy to make the small changes again which
will slowly but surely pull the extra few pounds off again.
IMHO nearly all of the weight loss diet problems simply disappear if
you stop trying to hurry it so much. The problems are an artefact of
impatience.
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Chris Malcolm cam.TakeThisOut@infirmatics.ed.ac.uk DoD #205
IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 1:42 pm
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On Mar 14, 8:50 am, bad.b....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com wrote:
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> I'm not sure what qualifies as quite obese. She weighs around 215.
> She carries it well but the fact of the matter is that she's 215. I
> did a little research on the diet itself and come to find out it's the
> "Bernstein Diet". Is anyone familiar with this diet and the long term
> effects? My wife is not looking to see Dr. Berstein as he is in
> Canada (I think) but it is at a similar clinic selling the same
> services.
http://www.cbc.ca/consumers/market/files/health/bernstein_diet/
"In 1988, one of Bernstein's patients died of a cardiac arrhythmia
eight days after starting the diet. Thirty-one year old Glenn Duffin
weighed more than 300 pounds. A coroner's jury found that Duffin's
death was the result of stress caused by several factors, including
dieting."
> I personally am a fan of diet and exercising and I am very wary of
> rapid weight loss promotions.
>
> Now that I have a name, is anyone familiar with this "Bernstein Diet"
> and can comment on its effectiveness?
any diet where you cut back dramatically on calories is going to work
if you stick to it.
> I know someone that works at
> this kind of a clinic and he knows people that have lost 40 lbs. in
> two months. What I don't know is how many of these people that have
> lost that kind of weight kept it off in the following year.
>
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:25 pm
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joanne wrote:
> On Mar 14, 7:54 am, "Willow Herself"
> <willowki....DeleteThis@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote:
>> against what the WW science center presents to both staff and members. Of
>> course WW doesn't hold all truths, but their researches and results are
>> based on a lot of well reconized research and reseachers.
>
> Sorry not a WW fan. Been there, gained it back.
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