The value of deadlifts

"Charles" <charles.RemoveThis@msn.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:15:04 GMT, "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Larry Hodges" <2larry2.RemoveThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote in message
> >news:b4adneY0PcZ8qb7fRVn-og@comcast.com...
> >> Roger Zoul wrote:
> >> > Preacher <nono.RemoveThis@way.com> wrote:
> >> >> elzinator <callofthewest.RemoveThis@nospam.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>> I don't understand the offense people take at questions that have
> >> >>>> been asked before.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Because it gets old, real old. Especially when the information
> >> >>> exists ad nauseum.
> >> >>> Reread his post and think about the question.
> >> >>
> >> >> I just reread it. His question doesn't bother me - maybe because I'm
> >> >> something of a newbie myself. I can imagine that if I were as
> >> >> knowledgeable as you and had heard the question a million times, it
> >> >> might be tiresome.
> >> >>
> >> >>>> If you don't want to answer, you don't have to. And if you
> >> >>>> don't want to read it, you probably can judge from the subject
that
> >> >>>> you don't want to.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Yup, I should have just deleted it and not posted a reply, but the
> >> >>> prevalence in lack of thinking and stupidity irritates me lately.
> >> >>> Especially when I have to work on a sunny Sunday and haven't had my
> >> >>> coffee yet.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> But then I can be a real bitch sometimes and that's how I am
> >> >>> sometimes. If y'all can't handle it, you can killfile me or not
read
> >> >>> my posts. Matters not to me.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> As if I'm the only one in this group that is abrasive? Oh
> >> >>> please.......
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Continue to ream me out as you wish.
> >> >>
> >> >> Didn't mean to ream you out or to single you out as particularly
> >> >> abrasive. For that, I apologize. I want to be treated with respect,
> >> >> and
> >> >> I certainly want to extend the same courtesy to you.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ironically, I think I am impatient with the kind of impatience that
> >> >> is sometimes shown in the group towards the beginning lifter. I
> >> >> EXPECT most questions to be relatively basic to those who are more
> >> >> expert; newbies are full of questions, sometimes dumb, naive ones
> >> >> that aren't well thought out. We come to the group hoping to find
> >> >> someone who is knowledgeable and helpful.
> >> >>
> >> >> Of course we could google the answer or read a bunch of books. The
> >> >> knowledge is always available to someone who is determined enough
and
> >> >> has some sense of where to look. But sometimes, you just have a
> >> >> question, and you figure someone else might know the answer, so you
> >> >> ask. Doesn't seem like that should be an offensive thing to do in a
> >> >> usenet newsgroup.
> >> >>
> >> >> I wouldn't want to killfile you. You are a knowledgeable and
> >> >> wellrespected source of information - when you care to be
> >> >> informative. But I'll admit that I can do without the "google is
> >> >> your friend - we are not" attitude that is so commonly celebrated in
> >> >> the group.
> >> >
> >> > If you cared about getting information from knowledgable people and
> >> > you didn't want to waste their time, you'd google before asking.
> >> > It's the considerate thing to do.
> >> >
> >> > So if you don't wish to be considerate of others, why do you expect
> >> > the same?
> >>
> >> Before I came here, I didn't know Google would search Usenet. Had no
> >idea.
> >> And as a database programmer and broadband user since DSL first was
> >> available here in the late '90s, I'm not particularly ignorant in the
area
> >> of computers. But...I didn't know that.
> >>
> >> So why not just inform them that they can Google groups? Or just
answer
> >the
> >> question? Or just ignore the question?
> >>
> >> I like Elzi. I'm not picking on her or siding against her. In fact,
I've
> >> done this from time to time myself because I take on the mfw persona.
But
> >> what Preacher is saying is a valid point. And...I agree with him.
Unless
> >> of course it's a Bowflex post...then all bets are off!
> >> --
> >> -Larry
> >>
> >I like Elzi too - she does great posts plus she has an incredible ass
(her
> >horse looks pretty good too!) - my only complaint is that she should show
us
> >her tits (this is family and we should know each other more intimately)
> >
>
> This snap is several years old, but I think it may indicate that the
> part of her anatomy that you are lusting after, may not be quite up to
> your expectations. You might get more joy from a couple of old empty
> leather tobacco pouches:
>
> http://www.fitnwell.net/elzisid1.jpg

3% body fat might be the issue here!
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"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "elzinator" wrote
> >
> > Charles wrote:
> >
> >> I don't "question" their deeper knowledge of certain aspects of
> >> 'on-topic' matters, but do deeply resent their high-handed attitudes
> >> sometimes, and their rudeness!!
> >
> > Big pot-kettle-black.
> >
>
> But an aristocratic snob troll is better somehow??
>
> I have learned a lot of things through adverse circumstances. At no point
> did I ever throw public temper tantrums that somebody did not play nice.
>
> It is like those folks who go into a total shutdown state everytime they
> hear a "dirty" word. We are supposed to change our behavior based on
their
> phobias and extreme fear response.
>
> I prefer to get my info from knowledgable people. My thirst (lust?) for
> knowledge transcends every little social nuance or rule that exists
> throughout time and space. Because my desire to learn is AUTHENTIC!!
>
> Not like some whiny. wimpy brit trolls.
>
> Lee Michaels
>
>
Couple of burrs on the last job need grinding off, dick for brains.
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"Suze" <suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote in message
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> Quoting Charles <charles DeleteThis @msn.com>:
>
>>On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 03:03:43 -0600, Suze
>><suze_anderson@spamcop/dot/obvious> wrote:
>>
>>>Quoting Charles <charles DeleteThis @msn.com>:
>>>
>>>[...]
>>>>It's not me that is rude to newcomers, and it's not me that patronises
>>>>them and takes the piss out of them. And it's not me that joins with
>>>>others to bully them and it's not me that attempts to make myself look
>>>>clever at their expense.
>>>>
>>>Hi John, did you have a helpful suggestion for the original poster on
>>>the deadlifts?
>>
>>If I had Suze I would have offered it at the time!! ;o)
>>
>>And your reason for asking was?
>
> Hello.
>
> For whatever its worth, I've been occasionally reading mfw on and off
> since late 2001 or so (mostly Lyle's and Elzi's posts).
>
> And the information has been quite helpful. Actually that's an
> understatement.
>
> The truth of the matter is that I'm quite in awe of the both of them.
> Seriously. The quality information that they have generously and
> *freely* offered over the years has been exceedingly useful to me.
>
Have you checked out Lyle's site www.bodyrecomposition.com ? Very good S/N
ratio.
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On 28 Feb 2005 22:03:42 GMT, DZ
<28737.DeleteThis@19727142.2442812104.9783.22453.6620> wrote:

>Charles <charles.DeleteThis@msn.com> wrote:
>> I gather you are domiciled in the UK?
>
>If I said "domiciled" to someone in North Carolina, I'd then be
>coughing up tobacco hairballs for weeks.

Why would that be Vlad? That is simply where some lives.

>
>> I have my workout at 1130 and then lunch, after which Monday takes on
>> a rosier hue!! ;o)
>
>Incidentally, after 11:30 my Monday takes on a rosier hue too, except
>it is after 11:30 pm.

That would be 2330 Vlad, which is why the colon is not included so
that it is apparent that we are using the military style 24 hour
clock!!

Where have you been, we have missed your cheerful presence?!! ;o)
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> >
> >> David <forgotwhy.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> > The people that respond in that tone and manner are basically showing
> >> > off to their friends. If it were just you asking the question with no
> >> > gallery to perform for, the reply would be honest and helpful. People
> >> > here have a narrow range of knowledge and love to be arrogant when
> >> > they get an opportunity. This was a genuine question and deserves a
> >> > genuine reply.
> >>
> >> It's only been asked a zillion times. Google has plenty of "replies".
> >
> >Well, then maybe we don't even need a newsgroup. You can just google
> >whatever information you need on lifting, training, nutrition, etc. It's
> >all on the web somewhere.
>
> Basically, that is true.
>
Not quite. Some questions are very specific and dont lend themselves
to easy searching.

> >I don't understand the offense people take at questions that have been
> >asked before.
>
It's not the repitition of the question that causes offense - its
something deeper. People enjoy picking on others and any excuse will
do, especially in a forum where anonymity is assured. Do a google
search on terms like "sociology" and "outgroup sanctions" and you can
see that people are basically malignant and enjoy looking down on
others. This particular bitch is displaying familar patterns.

> Because it gets old, real old. Especially when the information exists
> ad nauseum.
> Reread his post and think about the question.
>
> > If you don't want to answer, you don't have to. And if you
> >don't want to read it, you probably can judge from the subject that you
> >don't want to.
>
> Yup, I should have just deleted it and not posted a reply, but the
> prevalence in lack of thinking and stupidity irritates me lately.

Lack of thinking? Stupidity? The glove doesnt fit. My original post
involves subject matter that is not self evident. Interestingly, no
one has answered the qustion although one individual did use some
impressive words. In addition there was no evidence of a lack of
erudition.


> Especially when I have to work on a sunny Sunday and haven't had my
> coffee yet.
>
> But then I can be a real bitch sometimes and that's how I am
> sometimes.

In other words you're not happy with your lot. Thats no suprise. Im
amazed at the number of traps modern social engineers have laid out
for contemporary women such as you. It seems inevitable they stumble
from one counter instinctive mess to another - seek a career, world
travel, puppy dog instead of motherhood etc etc

If y'all can't handle it, you can killfile me or not read
> my posts. Matters not to me.
>
Even the worst men hate cold indifference in a woman.Got a husband?
I'm laying odds you dont and that explains some of your hostility.

> As if I'm the only one in this group that is abrasive? Oh
> please.......
>
> Continue to ream me out as you wish.
>
> --------------------------
> "All Hell can't stop us now!"
> - Rage Against the Machine
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>
> This snap is several years old, but I think it may indicate that the
> part of her anatomy that you are lusting after, may not be quite up to
> your expectations. You might get more joy from a couple of old empty
> leather tobacco pouches:
>
> http://www.fitnwell.net/elzisid1.jpg

She's an old negress. Cetainly explains a lot.
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> Last summer I was trying to pull a max deadlift in the gym. Legs were
fine,
> got the bar up, standing up, but with my shoulders forward, and I
didn't
> really feel like trying to pull them back. So no lift, because my
upper body
> (traps, I'd guess) hadn't pulled hard enough. So I certainly need to
have
> traps providing force doing deadlifts, and probably also doing a bit
of
> work. In which case doing deadlifts would tend to cause trap
development.
>
> Peter

Have not had that problem yet. My weakest link is still my grip. Its
improving decently. My 300lb deadlift less than a month ago slipped on
the way down. I've now done 315lbs without losing it. It is something
I've had to work on ever since ~ 200lbs. I'm doing a lot of hanging
excersizes 4-5 days before I DL. EX wrap socks around my chin up bar
until its about 2" diameter. Hang, do chins, half a chin and crunches,
etc.

Eric
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ewitte.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Last summer I was trying to pull a max deadlift in the gym. Legs
were
> fine,
> > got the bar up, standing up, but with my shoulders forward, and I
> didn't
> > really feel like trying to pull them back. So no lift, because my
> upper body
> > (traps, I'd guess) hadn't pulled hard enough. So I certainly need
to
> have
> > traps providing force doing deadlifts, and probably also doing a
bit
> of
> > work. In which case doing deadlifts would tend to cause trap
> development.
> >
> > Peter
>
> Have not had that problem yet. My weakest link is still my grip.
Its
> improving decently. My 300lb deadlift less than a month ago slipped
on
> the way down. I've now done 315lbs without losing it. It is
something
> I've had to work on ever since ~ 200lbs. I'm doing a lot of hanging
> excersizes 4-5 days before I DL. EX wrap socks around my chin up bar
> until its about 2" diameter. Hang, do chins, half a chin and
crunches,
> etc.
>
> Eric

I assume none of your use gloves? Could --just to consider a possible
scenario for a given person-- a 300 lb deadlift without gloves equal
something like a 315 with gloves?
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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 11:56:12 -0500, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>"Steve McDevitt" <jorant RemoveThis @insightbb.com> wrote in message
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>> "Charles" <charles RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote in message > Why would you want to
>> respond to quite legitimate questions, even if
>>> you do consider them to be somewhat naive, in such a hostile and
>>> sarcastic way?
>>>
>>> If you don't want to discuss or help, just ignore the OP. Giving him
>>> smug put-downs is very poor instructional technique and will only
>>> discourage people, or make them want to respond in similar manner,
>>> much like it did me all those years ago!!
>>>
>>> Don't bitch and whine again if you get it back in spades!!
>>
>> It's because half the people here are horrible cunts, and he's just trying
>> to keep up with the rest of the pack. Sad. I'm glad he answered the
>> question, even though he was rude about it. So we should be thankful for
>> at least that much.
>>
>You are agreeing with MFW's worst troll.
>
>This might help.
>
>http://home.comcast.net/~mfw/

I didn't think he was agreeing so much as just being another whiny
bitch.

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On Sun, 27 Feb 2005 20:03:33 -0600, elzinator
<callofthewest.TakeThisOut@nospam.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 01:15:20 GMT, Art S wrote:
>>
>>"elzinator" <callofthewest.TakeThisOut@nospam.net> wrote in message
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>>> On 27 Feb 2005 03:59:22 -0800, Nicholas Steel wrote:
>>> >Just what muscle groups do deadlifts develop and how?
>>>
>>> The entire body.
>>>
>>> >I can understand how leg development occurs since you start at a bent
>>> >leg position and straighten up.
>>> >
>>> >But what about the arms and upper body? You dont actually move
>>> >anything. Your upper body and arms remain static.
>>>
>>> And fairies lift and hold the bar.
>>
>>They do?
>>
>>That must be my problem! Not enough fairies!
>>
>>Uh - where do I order some? They aren't in any of my catalogues. And
>>how much can each fairy lift?
>
>They're called 'fairy traps'
>
>In a more serious vein, DLs have been suggested to be the most
>systemically taxing lift as they recruit the entire body.
>
>Regardless, you may put in your order for said Fairy Traps, but just
>be aware the they require accessorizing with lats, serratus,
>rhomboids, posterior delts, spinal erectors and (god forbid) oblique
>abdominals.

Sometimes after doing a heavy deadlift, my obliques contract so hard
that my ribs ache a little on the sides.

>As you can see, the complete kit and kabootle is rather 'taxing.' In
>Texas, that's 8.25%
>
>You may submit the taxing to me.
>
>
>--------------------------
>"All Hell can't stop us now!"
>- Rage Against the Machine

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