Did deadlifts for the first time

"John Hanson" schreef:

>>In case anyone snickers at the low weight, I'm only 5'6" and that's the
>>weight that challenges me right now.

> I'm sure that's a world record in some class of some federation.

The important thing here is that the federation tests for drugs, and that
the ones who get caught are banned for live.

--
Pete
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"Stromata" wrote in message
> Jason Earl wrote:
>>
>> Think about it for a minute. You can't hardly get a job at a grocery
>> store without being able to lift 50 lbs., and that's not using a
>> barbell, that's using a box. Next time you are at your local
>> Wal-Mart
>> (or wherever you happen to shop) take a look at the folks stocking
>> the
>> shelves. All of those people had to demonstrate that they could lift
>> a 50 lbs. box up off of the ground.
>>
> Ah the blue-collar worker analogy. Well, it's true those guy have to
> lift heavy loads, and retire early with broken backs. Not the best
> example for a healthy back for life. I'm a desk jockey by trade, and I
> don't need to be able to regularly lift loads heavier then myself.
>
>> Part of the problem is that most people spend far too much time
>> worrying about their back. Now, I am not a doctor, and I don't play
>> one on TV. Anyone that takes any sort of medical advice from me is
>> clearly insane. That being the case I happen to believe that most
>> people seriously underestimate how much they can lift safely. In
>> fact, it is my completely unscientific opinion that strength training
>> (and specifically deadlifting) is one of the best ways to bulletproof
>> your back. You just have to lift enough weight.
>>
> Yeah I would be insane listening to you for advice on protecting my
> back. I think one should err on the side of caution when it comes to
> the back. Too many stories is herniated disks on bodybuilding forums
> for my liking. Lots of macho posturing on real heavy deadlifts, and
> not enough of the sad tales of spinal surgery. I'll dial down the
> macho intensity and keep my back, thank you very much.

You miss the point. I learned how to deadlift _after_ I had a herniated
disc, and it was the main tool in my rehabilitation from that injury. I
recommended a great book to you on the subject - read it, and learn how
safety and performance can go hand in hand to make you stronger _and_
more resistant to an injury.

There is no excuse not to work up to at least a 1.5 times bodyweight
deadlift for the average fitness enthusiast.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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"Jason Earl" wrote in message

> "Stromata" writes:
>
>> Jason Earl wrote:
>>> "Stromata" writes:
>>>
>>>> 1st set - 40lbs
>>>> 2nd set - 40lbs
>>>> 3rd set - 50lbs
>>>>
>>>> I was wiped! It was very invigorating, and I look forward to
>>>> incorporating this core exercise into my weekly routine from now on.
>>>>
>>>> In case anyone snickers at the low weight, I'm only 5'6" and that's
>>>> the weight that challenges me right now.
>>>
>>> There's nothing wrong with starting with a light weight. Everyone has
>>> to start somewhere.
>>>
>>> That being the case, I really don't mean to discourage you, but my 6
>>> year-old boy deadlifted 60 lbs. the first time he ever tried
>>> deadlifting. Heck, my olympic bar by itself weighs 45 lbs. Either
>>> your math is suspect (you aren't including the weight of the bar) our
>>> you could probably stand to push yourself a little harder.
>>>
>>> I suppose it is also possible that you are doing a whole pile of
>>> repetitions. If each of those sets is 20 reps then that's quite a bit
>>> of work. High repetition deadlifts are taxing even if you don't use
>>> much weight.
>>>
>>> A good training partner can often push you to try a little harder and
>>> move a little more weight. Please take this post as friendly
>>> encouragement. Some random guy (me) on the Internet thinks you can
>>> deadlift a lot more than that.
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>> Jason
>>
>> No the bars are 40 & 50lbs. These are pre-set barbells, non adjustable
>> taken off a barbell rack. 6yo lifting heavier t hen me? How big is he?
>
> He's not a pocket Hercules if that is what you mean.
>
> The deadlift (done properly) allows you to move a lot of weight. I
> don't even consider myself an intermediate lifter and I can lift nearly
> double my body weight (I weigh 230 lbs.).
>
> Think about it for a minute. You can't hardly get a job at a grocery
> store without being able to lift 50 lbs., and that's not using a
> barbell, that's using a box. Next time you are at your local Wal-Mart
> (or wherever you happen to shop) take a look at the folks stocking the
> shelves. All of those people had to demonstrate that they could lift a
> 50 lbs. box up off of the ground.
>
> Part of the problem is that most people spend far too much time worrying
> about their back. Now, I am not a doctor, and I don't play one on TV.
> Anyone that takes any sort of medical advice from me is clearly insane.
> That being the case I happen to believe that most people seriously
> underestimate how much they can lift safely. In fact, it is my
> completely unscientific opinion that strength training (and specifically
> deadlifting) is one of the best ways to bulletproof your back. You just
> have to lift enough weight.
>
> Truth be told you should be able to clean 50 lbs. Heck, you can
> probably *curl* 50 lbs if you use both arms.
>
> It can be a little scary but if you concentrate on keeping your back
> straight and driving through the floor with your heels I think that you
> would be surprised at how much you can actually lift.
>
> Once again, there's nothing wrong with starting light. Just make sure
> you keep adding weight to the bar.
>
> Jason

That being said, it is critical the original poster find someone who can
teach him the correct form for deadlifting. Developing good habbits from the
beginning is a lot easier than correcting bad habbits later. Good form is
essential to longevity in deadlifting. As a 49 year old lifter I pulled 445
lbs at a bodyweight of 148 in competition. That was after 28 years of
lifting. That same year I squatted 400 pounds legally (tops of the quads at
the hip joint below the tops of the knees) so don't buy into the "squatting
is bad for your knees" myth either. These two exercises will go much farther
in putting mass on you and giving you strength for your everyday activities
than any other exercise.
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"Stromata" wrote in message
> Jason Earl wrote:
>>
>> Truth be told you should be able to clean 50 lbs. Heck, you can
>> probably *curl* 50 lbs if you use both arms.
>>
> I can curl 50lb barbell no problem. Only 25lbs dumbbell, which makes
> sense, dividing by half.
>
>> It can be a little scary but if you concentrate on keeping your back
>> straight and driving through the floor with your heels I think that
>> you would be surprised at how much you can actually lift.
>>
> Yeah I'm very paranoid when it comes to keeping my back healthy. I had a
> couple of scares in my youth, and I'm pretty careful.
>
>> Once again, there's nothing wrong with starting light. Just make sure
>> you keep adding weight to the bar.
>>
>> Jason
>
> I am starting light and keeping it safe. Now when I'm in the middle of a
> rep, I'm going full intensity. I just don't see why I should ramp up the
> weight fast. If I am struggling with 50lbs, then I should keep doing it
> until I master it.
There is nothing wrong with what you are doing. And if by "mastering it" you
mean get your form and technique just right I agree with you wholeheartedly.
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On Feb 23, 3:00 am, John Hanson wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:43:34 -0800 (PST), Stephen Mulholland
> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
> >On Feb 22, 12:56 pm, "Uncle Bob" wrote:
> >> "Stromata" schreef:
>
> >> > 1st set - 40lbs
> >> > 2nd set - 40lbs
> >> > 3rd set - 50lbs
>
> >> Raw or with gear?
>
> >> --
> >> Pete
>
> >BAD Pete.
>
> >Stephen
>
> Hey Stephen, how the hell are you?

Hey John! Not bad at all. I poke my nose in here every day just to
make sure you're all behaving!

Stephen
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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 01:44:56 -0800 (PST), Stephen Mulholland
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>On Feb 23, 3:00 am, John Hanson wrote:
>> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:43:34 -0800 (PST), Stephen Mulholland
>> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>
>> >On Feb 22, 12:56 pm, "Uncle Bob" wrote:
>> >> "Stromata" schreef:
>>
>> >> > 1st set - 40lbs
>> >> > 2nd set - 40lbs
>> >> > 3rd set - 50lbs
>>
>> >> Raw or with gear?
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Pete
>>
>> >BAD Pete.
>>
>> >Stephen
>>
>> Hey Stephen, how the hell are you?
>
>Hey John! Not bad at all. I poke my nose in here every day just to
>make sure you're all behaving!
>
Well, that's more often that me. I was on the road that last 3 weeks
in Ohio and the weather was shitty. Now I'm home for a week and leave
Sunday for 8 days in Florida. We have our operations meetings the
first 3 days and then I'm off to the Keys to dive. I can't wait.
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On Feb 22, 5:49 am, "Stromata" wrote:
> 1st set - 40lbs
> 2nd set - 40lbs
> 3rd set - 50lbs
>
> I was wiped! It was very invigorating, and I look forward to incorporating
> this core exercise into my weekly routine from now on.
>
> In case anyone snickers at the low weight, I'm only 5'6" and that's the
> weight that challenges me right now.

My only thought is that you're making it harder for yourself by not
using bigger plates. A 40 lb barbell must be about three inches off
the ground.

As others have said, nothing wrong with starting light. Just make it
a little heavier pretty regularly. But I really do think you're
seriously underestimating your own strength. I'm not saying this just
to be a smartass, but my ten-year-old son can easily lift a 40 lb
dumbbell with one hand, and he's smaller and lighter than the average
10-year-old.

I just tested to make sure - it's a 20 kg db plus the weight of the
handle - about 45 lb in total. So BUTCH UP!!!

Stephen
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