fat burners

In article <692kt21krkvfgoer1pgaocdv48t889if22.DeleteThis@4ax.com>, vasicrj.DeleteThis@yahoo.com
wrote:

> I am sure this has been asked before, but not by me.
>
> I have the middle age pot belly, and I tried hard to avoid it, but
> it's there. I am not obese, and well within standards, but I'd sure
> like to lower my bodyfat, which is about 20%. way to high for my
> small frame.
>
> I am starting a differet workout routine with my bowflex and moving
> faster, so that might have some affect.
>
> But what about all those 'fat burners' I see? Do any of these products
> work?

Yes, a few do, most are a scam, and none replace a good diet and exercise
plan. The catagory is too big to make any black and white statements.

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

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<vasicrj.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I am sure this has been asked before, but not by me.
>
> I have the middle age pot belly, and I tried hard to avoid it, but
> it's there. I am not obese, and well within standards, but I'd sure
> like to lower my bodyfat, which is about 20%. way to high for my
> small frame.
>
> I am starting a differet workout routine with my bowflex and moving
> faster, so that might have some affect.
>
> But what about all those 'fat burners' I see? Do any of these products
> work? I wont post any links here, I am sure most are aware of such
> products.

To the best of my admittedly meager knowledge on this subject, most 'fat
burners' work by raising one's overall metabolism. If someone has
evidence that some of these actual burn fat without raising one's base
need for calories, or even cause fat to be burned more preferentially,
I'd like to know. I'm not saying such things don't exist - an overview
which products or types of products work in the different methods
described above might make interesting reading.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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On Feb 19, 6:45 pm, "Steve Freides" <s... DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> <vasi... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:692kt21krkvfgoer1pgaocdv48t889if22@4ax.com...
>
> >I am sure this has been asked before, but not by me.
>
> > I have the middle age pot belly, and I tried hard to avoid it, but
> > it's there. I am not obese, and well within standards, but I'd sure
> > like to lower my bodyfat, which is about 20%. way to high for my
> > small frame.
>
> > I am starting a differet workout routine with my bowflex and moving
> > faster, so that might have some affect.
>
> > But what about all those 'fat burners' I see? Do any of these products
> > work? I wont post any links here, I am sure most are aware of such
> > products.
>
> To the best of my admittedly meager knowledge on this subject, most 'fat
> burners' work by raising one's overall metabolism. If someone has
> evidence that some of these actual burn fat without raising one's base
> need for calories, or even cause fat to be burned more preferentially,
> I'd like to know. I'm not saying such things don't exist - an overview
> which products or types of products work in the different methods
> described above might make interesting reading.
>
> -S-http://www.kbnj.com


Doesn't Conjugated Linoleic Acid (CLA) trick the body into thinking
there's
more fat in store, so it starts unloading fat without increasing basal
metabolism?

Richard
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<vasicrj.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> schreef:

> But what about all those 'fat burners' I see? Do any of these products
> work? I wont post any links here, I am sure most are aware of such
> products.

As pointed out allready by several others, it works by raing ones
BMR/appetite supression.

This tells me the exact same effect can be achieved by eating 500 Kcals less
than usual.

Although i have to admit that i witnessed freaky weight loss in women using
Ionamin, and i am positve its not just the supression of appetite. There
must be some other factors as well.

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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Pete wrote:

> <vasicrj.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
>> But what about all those 'fat burners' I see? Do any of these products
>> work? I wont post any links here, I am sure most are aware of such
>> products.
>
> As pointed out allready by several others, it works by raing ones
> BMR/appetite supression.
>
> Although i have to admit that i witnessed freaky weight loss in women
> using Ionamin, and i am positve its not just the supression of appetite.
> There must be some other factors as well.

Can't find anything in the literature about that, but haven't looked that
hard.

If you want serious fat burning, i can reccommend 2,4-dinitrophenol. So
effective, they banned it in 1938! Best to use it in winter, though, and
it'll save you a fortune in jumpers and heating bills.

tom

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"Tom Anderson" <twic RemoveThis @urchin.earth.li> schreef:

>> Although i have to admit that i witnessed freaky weight loss in women
>> using Ionamin, and i am positve its not just the supression of appetite.
>> There must be some other factors as well.

> Can't find anything in the literature about that, but haven't looked that
> hard.

The only thing i can find is appetite suprression and/or increased
temperature.

But that stuff works amazing. Perhaps a little too good.

> If you want serious fat burning, i can reccommend 2,4-dinitrophenol. So
> effective, they banned it in 1938! Best to use it in winter, though, and
> it'll save you a fortune in jumpers and heating bills.

DNP ?!?!?! Also used as a pesticide?

No thanks!

Nasty stuff, wouldnt touch that if they gave it for frree.

I believe Lyle did a little experiment with it.

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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, vasicrj.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:

> Is there a combination of foods that will contribute to fat loss? Are
> there foods that should be included in my diet?
Anything low-calorie that fills you up. Check out calorieking.com or other
nutrition database websites. I eat a lot of fermented cabbage to curb my
appetite.

> I tend to eat a lot of fuit, but of course I use some sort of 'cool
> whip' product which is probably a bad idea. I also read that large
> amounts of fuit contribute to fat retention because of the sugar
> conten, is that true?
Try fat free cool-whip. Tastes the same to me.


> What about Creatine, how should I use this, if at all?
Follow the instructions on the creatine package. Don't take creatine punch
mixes that have added sugar.


> Most of my protein comes from protein supplements. This is the one I
> use: Ultra Protein Plus by Douglas Laboratories
>
> I am NOT promoting this products, and only provide these so you can
> give me your opinion.
Optimum Nutrition's 100% Gold Whey is a good value. It contains a
partially hydrolyzed low calorie whey isolate blend that isn't hard on the
wallet.

> I'd really like to see my abs someday, I know they are there.
Do you own a sharp knife?


--Sir Jackery
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Pete wrote:

> "Tom Anderson" <twic.DeleteThis@urchin.earth.li> schreef:
>
>>> Although i have to admit that i witnessed freaky weight loss in women
>>> using Ionamin, and i am positve its not just the supression of appetite.
>>> There must be some other factors as well.
>
>> Can't find anything in the literature about that, but haven't looked that
>> hard.
>
> The only thing i can find is appetite suprression and/or increased
> temperature.
>
> But that stuff works amazing. Perhaps a little too good.
>
>> If you want serious fat burning, i can reccommend 2,4-dinitrophenol. So
>> effective, they banned it in 1938! Best to use it in winter, though, and
>> it'll save you a fortune in jumpers and heating bills.
>
> DNP ?!?!?! Also used as a pesticide?
>
> No thanks!
>
> Nasty stuff, wouldnt touch that if they gave it for frree.
>
> I believe Lyle did a little experiment with it.


What about clen? How well does that work?

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In news:692kt21krkvfgoer1pgaocdv48t889if22@4ax.com,
vasicrj.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com <vasicrj.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> typed:
> I am sure this has been asked before, but not by me.
>
> I have the middle age pot belly, and I tried hard to avoid it, but
> it's there. I am not obese, and well within standards, but I'd sure
> like to lower my bodyfat, which is about 20%. way to high for my
> small frame.
>
> I am starting a differet workout routine with my bowflex and moving
> faster, so that might have some affect.
>
> But what about all those 'fat burners' I see? Do any of these products
> work? I wont post any links here, I am sure most are aware of such
> products.

It's difficult to determine if, and by how much, fat burners increase the
metabolic rate. Most estimates that I've heard/seen range between a 2%-5%.
So, if your BMR is say 3,000kcal then using fat burners could raise it by
between 60 and 150kcals - not a massive increase. However, as this could
equate to losing a pound of body fat every 23 days this would amount to
15-16 lbs per year. This may be what you are looking for?

Where most people find them effective is wrt their appetite suppressing
effect. If you use them & you decrease your calorific intake by 500kcals per
day this may offer a more effective solution to the fat loss you are
seeking.

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill
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Thanks to everyone!
So, if I have this right, 'fat burners' slightly increase metabolism,
and thereby some fat is burned. As some pointed out, there are side
effects to this. I can't appear too hyped up at work.

Others suggested reduced calorie diet combined with exercise, which
now seems the best approach. I guess what I am looking for is a magic
pill to take that will scour the fat from my body. Ah if only such a
pill existed.

Is there a combination of foods that will contribute to fat loss? Are
there foods that should be included in my diet?

I tend to eat a lot of fuit, but of course I use some sort of 'cool
whip' product which is probably a bad idea. I also read that large
amounts of fuit contribute to fat retention because of the sugar
conten, is that true?

Should I add C-Glutamine to my diet? What exactly does this do?

Any opinions on NewGreensT by Pure Prescriptions? Can this replace
veggies? I eat salads, but generally don't like veggies.

What about Creatine, how should I use this, if at all?

Most of my protein comes from protein supplements. This is the one I
use: Ultra Protein Plus by Douglas Laboratories

I am NOT promoting this products, and only provide these so you can
give me your opinion.

I'd really like to see my abs someday, I know they are there.

Bob
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Here are the 6 most effective ways to lose fat on your belly without
taking fat burners.
1. Remove as many of your large stressors as possible. When you are
under stress your body does not burn fat. When you are angry, upset
and agitated with yourself or others your body reacts and deals with
the situation, the flight or fight response. When this happens your
body can not use its energy to burn fat as it is taking care of your
stressors.
2. Sleep between 10pm and 6am. Miss any of that time and you throw
your hormones out of wack. Your circadian health greatly effects your
stress levels (see Secret # 1)
3. Eat foods that are in their original form, without processing.
That means removing bread, sugar, and pasta. It also means trying to
eliminate chemicals, antibiotics, heavy metals, and hormones from your
foods. Eat free range and organic! Otherwise, you are adding
stressors to your digestive system.....and we know from secret # 1
that when your body has too many stressors, it says "Oops, I don't
have the ability right now to worry about dropping my bodyfat stores."
4. Drink liquids in their original form, not processed.
Unfortunately, you are left with bottled spring water, or freshly
squeezed juices that are not stored with excess sugars and
preservatives and that are NOT pasteurized, which destroys all active
nutrients. (See secret # 1 to see what happens when your body must
handle too many stressors in your liquids).
5. Practice Breathing with your diaphragm (rib cage movement).
This stimulates your anti-stress response (see secret # 1)
6. Exercise. Since you just switched some things, you're moving in
the right direction. The more dramatic the change in exercise habit,
the more dramatic the change in your bodyfat percentage. For example,
you might want to stop bowflex altogether in 4 weeks and go running
instead for the following 4 weeks. After that, go back to bowflex and
watch how your body must try to adapt to each "new" stimulus.

As far as your supplements go: Remember, when you try to bypass
nature and our genetic evolution (by using synthetic and refined
chemical substances...yes, even caffeine) you will have side effects
and/or long term dissadvantages. Whenever you try revving up your
metabolism with an external source, for example, your body is sent a
signal that says "You no longer need to keep your metabolism raised on
your own...something else does it for you!" This roughly translates
into your body NOT being able to keep it's own metabolism later, when
you no longer take those supplements. Try using the 6 secrets first
and see what happens in 6 weeks of patience and dedication....and
there will be no side effects.

On Feb 19, 3:34 pm, vasi... RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> I am sure this has been asked before, but not by me.
>
> I have the middle age pot belly, and I tried hard to avoid it, but
> it's there. I am not obese, and well within standards, but I'd sure
> like to lower my bodyfat, which is about 20%. way to high for my
> small frame.
>
> I am starting a differet workout routine with my bowflex and moving
> faster, so that might have some affect.
>
> But what about all those 'fat burners' I see? Do any of these products
> work? I wont post any links here, I am sure most are aware of such
> products.
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On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, onetruehealth wrote:

> Here are the 6 most effective ways to lose fat on your belly without
> taking fat burners.
> 1. Remove as many of your large stressors as possible. When you are
> under stress your body does not burn fat. When you are angry, upset
> and agitated with yourself or others your body reacts and deals with
> the situation, the flight or fight response. When this happens your
> body can not use its energy to burn fat as it is taking care of your
> stressors.
> 2. Sleep between 10pm and 6am. Miss any of that time and you throw
> your hormones out of wack. Your circadian health greatly effects your
> stress levels (see Secret # 1)
> 3. Eat foods that are in their original form, without processing.
> That means removing bread, sugar, and pasta. It also means trying to
> eliminate chemicals, antibiotics, heavy metals, and hormones from your
> foods. Eat free range and organic! Otherwise, you are adding
> stressors to your digestive system.....and we know from secret # 1
> that when your body has too many stressors, it says "Oops, I don't
> have the ability right now to worry about dropping my bodyfat stores."
> 4. Drink liquids in their original form, not processed.
> Unfortunately, you are left with bottled spring water, or freshly
> squeezed juices that are not stored with excess sugars and
> preservatives and that are NOT pasteurized, which destroys all active
> nutrients. (See secret # 1 to see what happens when your body must
> handle too many stressors in your liquids).

Just because you don't understand science doesn't mean it's witchcraft.
Processing food can make it more nutritious, tastier, and safer to eat.
People live longer healthier lives as technology developes.

And technically aren't food preservatives homeopathic? These hippies
contradict themselves so frequently.

That said... Do you have excess fat deposited around your mid-section? If
you drink a lot this could be from cirrhosis of the liver (what people
call a "beer belly"). When one's liver starts to fail one gets ascites, or
fluid buildup in the abdomen.



--Sir Jackery
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