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Jen

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:55 am
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Bikes have so many gears on them these days, I'm totally confused about
them. My daughter and I both need to get new bikes. Can anyone explain the
gears to us, or know of a site that would explain them?

Jen

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:55 am
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Jen wrote:
> Bikes have so many gears on them these days, I'm totally confused about
> them. My daughter and I both need to get new bikes. Can anyone explain the
> gears to us, or know of a site that would explain them?

Well, rec.bicycles.misc and rec.bicycles.tech should be the best sites
for this kind of question. But IMHO, most of the participants of those
groups are so full of themselves that they might frown on such an
obviously "newbie" question such as this. I am sure there are plenty
of cycling enthusiasts in the misc.fitness groups that would be more
than happy to help you.

Your question suggests to me that you and your daughter are relatively
inexperienced cyclists. If I am wrong, I can suggest an excellent book
to read (if it is still in print); and there are many good web sites
that go into excruciating detail about the optimal use of gears and
gear ratios. My comments below are for the inexperienced cyclists.
Experienced cyclists will wretch and complain about the oversimplistic
comments.

The reason for the large number of gears is because of the wide variety
of cycling situations and expertise riders. Most of us do not need all
those gears.

If your bike has 3 "chain wheels" in front, I suggest that you put the
chain in the middle "chain wheel". This will simplify gear shifting
tremendously. For most riding, you will never need to use the front
gear shift. And there are other issues, which I will cover below.

As for the rear "gear rings", work them just like you would work the
gears of a car's manual transmission. Start in one of the lowest
gears, and shift to higher gears when the pedaling seems too easy.
Conversely, shift to the lower gears when the pedaling seems too hard.

With most modern gear shifters, you do not need to know which "gear
ring" in the back is "low" and which is "high". The gear shifter
usually labels the positions 1, 2, etc. "1" is usually the lowest
gear.

And for the very inexperienced (e.g. a young child), it might be
sufficient to choose just one middle gear for all of your biking, at
least initially.

It is as simple as that.

Of course, if your legs are strong, you might be able to start out in a
higher gear. And if you like to "spin" (pedal at fast rates like 120
RPM), you might prefer to stay in lower gears.

There are a lot of nitty-gritty details that one could write about
"gear ratios" and the sort. But I wonder if that is really all you
need and want to know for now.

A final word about the smallest and largest "chain wheels" in front.
If your legs are very very weak or you hit a steep uphill, you might
want to use the "lowest" front gear (again, usually labeled "1" on the
gear shifter). Conversely, if your legs are very very strong or you
want to pedal down a steep downhill, you might want to use the
"highest" front gear.

However, if you use the smallest and largest "chain wheels" in front,
you should avoid certain gears in order to prevent excess wear on the
chain. This gets complicated, even for medium experienced cyclist,
much less newbies. Basically, you should avoid combinations of front
and rear gear rings that are farthest apart, namely: the highest gear
(most resistance) when using the smallest "chain wheel" in front, and
the lowest gear (least resistance) when using the largest "chain wheel"
front. You really do not need those gears because there is usually
sufficient overlap among the set of gear ratios available with each
"chain wheel" in front.

Wow! If that does not convince you to stick with just the middle
"chain wheel" in front for now, I don't know what would Smile. Well,
perhaps when I explain the optimal way to switch from one front "chain
wheel" to another. Let's not go there Wink.

Hope this helps. Please feel free to post more questions here if this
is not what you needed.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:55 am
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Del Cecchi wrote:
> > Jen wrote:
> >> My daughter and I both need to get new bikes.
>
> They probably have a FAQ that discusses this. Or, as they would
> recommend, a trip to the local bike shop will help you figure out what
> would suit you best, and help you get a bike that fits and is properly
> assembled and adjusted.

I'm sorry. Your posting made me realize that I totally misunderstood
the question. I thought they had already bought the new bikes and did
not know how to use the gears effectively. I guess I was in the
mindset because that is exactly the situation a friend of mine was in
recently when I offered exactly the same advice.

You are absolutely right, with one caveat: the purpose of her posting
might be that she was already snowed by the information provided by
someone at a bike shop.

But Jen, if you went to a department store instead of bike, Del's
suggestion is perfect: you should rely on a good bike shop, not a
sporting goods store or department store.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:55 am
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Jen wrote:
> Bikes have so many gears on them these days, I'm totally confused about
> them. My daughter and I both need to get new bikes. Can anyone explain the
> gears to us, or know of a site that would explain them?

My apologies for my previous posting. I misunderstood and thought you
already had the new bikes.

Now that I understand your question better, can you explain exactly
what has you "totally confused"?

Are you confused about the choice in number of gears? If so, what
choices are you facing?

How old is your daughter? And how would rate yours and her cycling
experience? What kind of cycling do you expect to do?

You say you need "new bikes". I infer that you are replacing "old
bikes". What are you replacing?

As Del said, I am sure that a good bike shop employee can help you make
a choice that is appropriate for you. But if you are confused about
the claims they are making, perhaps you can share those with us.
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Del Cecchi

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:55 am
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<joeu2004 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jen wrote:
>> Bikes have so many gears on them these days, I'm totally confused
>> about
>> them. My daughter and I both need to get new bikes. Can anyone
>> explain the
>> gears to us, or know of a site that would explain them?
>
> Well, rec.bicycles.misc and rec.bicycles.tech should be the best sites
> for this kind of question. But IMHO, most of the participants of those
> groups are so full of themselves that they might frown on such an
> obviously "newbie" question such as this. I am sure there are plenty
> of cycling enthusiasts in the misc.fitness groups that would be more
> than happy to help you.

They probably have a FAQ that discusses this. Or, as they would
recommend, a trip to the local bike shop will help you figure out what
would suit you best, and help you get a bike that fits and is properly
assembled and adjusted.
>
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:33 am
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"Del Cecchi" <delcecchiofthenorth.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> <joeu2004.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1162775027.708887.32810@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...
>> Jen wrote:
>>> Bikes have so many gears on them these days, I'm totally confused about
>>> them. My daughter and I both need to get new bikes. Can anyone explain
>>> the
>>> gears to us, or know of a site that would explain them?
>>
>> Well, rec.bicycles.misc and rec.bicycles.tech should be the best sites
>> for this kind of question. But IMHO, most of the participants of those
>> groups are so full of themselves that they might frown on such an
>> obviously "newbie" question such as this. I am sure there are plenty
>> of cycling enthusiasts in the misc.fitness groups that would be more
>> than happy to help you.
>
> They probably have a FAQ that discusses this. Or, as they would
> recommend, a trip to the local bike shop will help you figure out what
> would suit you best, and help you get a bike that fits and is properly
> assembled and adjusted.

I'm on a very tight budget, so I'll be looking for specials where I find
them.

I'll check out FAQ though, that's a great idea.

Jen
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:38 am
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<joeu2004 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Jen wrote:
>> Bikes have so many gears on them these days, I'm totally confused about
>> them. My daughter and I both need to get new bikes. Can anyone explain
>> the
>> gears to us, or know of a site that would explain them?
>
> My apologies for my previous posting. I misunderstood and thought you
> already had the new bikes.
>
> Now that I understand your question better, can you explain exactly
> what has you "totally confused"?
>
> Are you confused about the choice in number of gears? If so, what
> choices are you facing?

I haven't looked around yet. I'll probably just buy whatevers on special.
Your previous post seems to have answered my question pretty well though.

>
> How old is your daughter? And how would rate yours and her cycling
> experience? What kind of cycling do you expect to do?

I have'nt ridden for close to thirty years - with no gears. My daughter has
a bike without gears.

>
> You say you need "new bikes". I infer that you are replacing "old
> bikes". What are you replacing?

As above

Thanks for your help

Jen
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:16 pm
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Jen wrote:
> <joeu2004.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1162784383.260387.316970@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Jen wrote:
>>
>>>Bikes have so many gears on them these days, I'm totally confused about
>>>them. My daughter and I both need to get new bikes. Can anyone explain
>>>the
>>>gears to us, or know of a site that would explain them?
>>
>>My apologies for my previous posting. I misunderstood and thought you
>>already had the new bikes.
>>
>>Now that I understand your question better, can you explain exactly
>>what has you "totally confused"?
>>
>>Are you confused about the choice in number of gears? If so, what
>>choices are you facing?
>
>
> I haven't looked around yet. I'll probably just buy whatevers on special.
> Your previous post seems to have answered my question pretty well though.
>
>
>>How old is your daughter? And how would rate yours and her cycling
>>experience? What kind of cycling do you expect to do?
>
>
> I have'nt ridden for close to thirty years - with no gears. My daughter has
> a bike without gears.
>
>
>>You say you need "new bikes". I infer that you are replacing "old
>>bikes". What are you replacing?
>
>
> As above
>
> Thanks for your help
>
> Jen
>
>
Sometimes Local Bike Shops have used bikes available that can be a much
better buy than some of the low quality bikes sold by the big boxes. My
daughter had a Murray and it was not a good bike. Very hard to adjust,
heavy, and just didn't work all that well.

--
Del Cecchi
"This post is my own and doesn’t necessarily represent IBM’s positions,
strategies or opinions.”
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2006 10:17 am
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"Jen" <anyofusNo DeleteThis @SPAMbigpond.net.au> wrote in message
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> Bikes have so many gears on them these days, I'm totally confused
> about them. My daughter and I both need to get new bikes. Can anyone
> explain the gears to us, or know of a site that would explain them?

Most modern bicycles have a gear changer near the pedals, called the
front derailleur, and another at the back wheel, called the rear
derailleur. "Derailleur" is "derailer" in English - it "derails" the
chain, moving it from one cog to another. The mechanisms for activating
these derailers are usually located on the handlebars.

The bicycles you're looking at may have two or three gears at the front,
and another 7-10 at the rear. Typically, the gears at the front are
spaced widely while the gears at the rear are spaced narrowly. Most
people pick one gear at the front then shift at the back to make minor
adjustments as they ride. A change at the front is to give you a
different _range_ of gears, effectively making all the gears you have at
the back either harder or easier.

A less expensive bike with only a single gear changer is probably fine
for your purposes. In this case, the front will have only one
non-changeable gear while the rear will have several. Depending on the
type of riding you do and your strength, and bicycle that cannot change
gears may also be fine.

Hope that helps some. See http://www.sheldonbrown.com and look for his
bicycle glossary for definitions of any terms related to bicycling -
it's a great resource.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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