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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2006 7:02 pm
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I can bench 135 sixteen times without warming up.
After benching 135 ten times, I can bench 180 four times. So, maybe I
could bench 180 five times max.
On one of those "bench press calculators," it says that benching 135
sixteen times means I should bench able to bench 233 lbs. I'm nowhere
even close. The 180 four times gets it kind of close to where my true
max probably is...around 195- 200.
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There are a myriad of such 1 RM predictor algorithms out there.
The one on exrx.net does not let you even enter a rep # greater than 10,
because the further "out" you are, the less accurate the algorithm will be,
and necessarily so, from a regression/stat pov.
Exrx.net sez that at 180, 4 reps --> 196, 5 reps --> 203, quite in line
with your estimate.
The algorithm will be even more accurate for 3 and 2 rep lifts. I have
sort-of checked the convergence points on the exrx.net calc this way, and it
seems pretty consistent.
Note that this calc is not lift-specific!
I think these calculators are a handy thing, esp for the aging, whose
constitutions might not be quite up to pushing 1 RMs often.
I'd be surprised if the 135 at 16 reps was at all accurate.
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> After benching 135 ten times, I can bench 180 four times. So, maybe I
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> sixteen times means I should bench able to bench 233 lbs. I'm nowhere
> even close. The 180 four times gets it kind of close to where my true
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xyzer DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote:
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> I can bench 135 sixteen times without warming up.
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> After benching 135 ten times, I can bench 180 four times. So, maybe I
> could bench 180 five times max.
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> On one of those "bench press calculators," it says that benching 135
> sixteen times means I should bench able to bench 233 lbs. I'm nowhere
> even close. The 180 four times gets it kind of close to where my true
> max probably is...around 195- 200.
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> Oh well, I guess I just have built up some sort of endurance for 135.
Actually your reps for 135 and 180 are in line with the calculators.
Accordingly your 1RM would be around 200-210.
This is one of those thing that is pretty easy to find. Go load up the
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xyzer DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote:
> I can bench 135 sixteen times without warming up.
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> After benching 135 ten times, I can bench 180 four times. So, maybe I
> could bench 180 five times max.
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> On one of those "bench press calculators," it says that benching 135
> sixteen times means I should bench able to bench 233 lbs. I'm nowhere
> even close. The 180 four times gets it kind of close to where my true
> max probably is...around 195- 200.
>
> Oh well, I guess I just have built up some sort of endurance for 135.
I found that if I used low-ish reps - say up to 5 - for the input value
into the calculator,, the predicted 1RM was pretty close to what I
could actually lift. High reps as input will give a nonsense result,
IME. When I was doing 20-rep squats a few years ago, my predicted 1RM
of over 450 lbs, using 20 reps at 215 lb as the input value, would have
driven me into the ground like a thumbtack  . It was only about 150 lb
out.
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<xyzer DeleteThis @hotmail.com> schreef:
> I can bench 135 sixteen times without warming up.
Sixteen reps IS a warmup.
> After benching 135 ten times, I can bench 180 four times. So, maybe I
> could bench 180 five times max.
Think so.
> On one of those "bench press calculators," it says that benching 135
> sixteen times means I should bench able to bench 233 lbs. I'm nowhere
> even close. The 180 four times gets it kind of close to where my true
> max probably is...around 195- 200.
Why use calculatores when you have access to a bench and bar, and can
actually test it?
> Oh well, I guess I just have built up some sort of endurance for 135.
Which only proves these calculators are wrong.
Other guys might bench even a tiny bit more than the calc said.
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"Stephen Mulholland" <mulhollands RemoveThis @rocketmail.com> schreef:
> I found that if I used low-ish reps - say up to 5 - for the input value
> into the calculator,, the predicted 1RM was pretty close to what I
> could actually lift. High reps as input will give a nonsense result,
> IME. When I was doing 20-rep squats a few years ago, my predicted 1RM
> of over 450 lbs, using 20 reps at 215 lb as the input value, would have
> driven me into the ground like a thumbtack . It was only about 150 lb
> out.
I could have told you upfront it was wrong.
With any given weight, you might do 15 reps on a bad day and 25 when you
feel good.
I always enjoy it when beginners doing are sets of 10, and have no clue how
close they are to their 1RM with that weight. They always assume they can at
least double it.
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>> I could have told you upfront it was wrong.
>> With any given weight, you might do 15 reps on a bad day and 25 when
>> you feel good.
>> I always enjoy it when beginners doing are sets of 10, and have no
>> clue how close they are to their 1RM with that weight. They always
>> assume they can at least double it.
> Yeah, stoopid newbies!!!
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> xyzer RemoveThis @hotmail.com wrote:
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>> I can bench 135 sixteen times without warming up.
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>> After benching 135 ten times, I can bench 180 four times. So, maybe
>> I could bench 180 five times max.
>>
>>
>> On one of those "bench press calculators," it says that benching 135
>> sixteen times means I should bench able to bench 233 lbs. I'm
>> nowhere even close. The 180 four times gets it kind of close to
>> where my true max probably is...around 195- 200.
>>
>> Oh well, I guess I just have built up some sort of endurance for 135.
>
> I found that if I used low-ish reps - say up to 5 - for the input
> value into the calculator,, the predicted 1RM was pretty close to
> what I could actually lift. High reps as input will give a nonsense
> result, IME. When I was doing 20-rep squats a few years ago, my
> predicted 1RM of over 450 lbs, using 20 reps at 215 lb as the input
> value, would have driven me into the ground like a thumbtack . It
> was only about 150 lb out.
Yeah, right - and the rest !!!
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> "Stephen Mulholland" <mulhollands RemoveThis @rocketmail.com> schreef:
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>> I found that if I used low-ish reps - say up to 5 - for the input
>> value into the calculator,, the predicted 1RM was pretty close to
>> what I could actually lift. High reps as input will give a nonsense
>> result, IME. When I was doing 20-rep squats a few years ago, my
>> predicted 1RM of over 450 lbs, using 20 reps at 215 lb as the input
>> value, would have driven me into the ground like a thumbtack . It
>> was only about 150 lb out.
>
> I could have told you upfront it was wrong.
>
> With any given weight, you might do 15 reps on a bad day and 25 when
> you feel good.
>
> I always enjoy it when beginners doing are sets of 10, and have no
> clue how close they are to their 1RM with that weight. They always
> assume they can at least double it.
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> Sixteen reps IS a warmup.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I wrote it, but I figured I
might only be able to bench 14 reps or something if I warmed up with ,
say, 115 for 10 reps or so... I dunno probably not though. ... I could
probably still do 15 or 16 since 115 would seem incredibly light since
I never do it.
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> Pete wrote:
>> <xyzer.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> schreef:
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>> > I can bench 135 sixteen times without warming up.
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>> Sixteen reps IS a warmup.
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> Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I wrote it, but I figured I
> might only be able to bench 14 reps or something if I warmed up with ,
> say, 115 for 10 reps or so... I dunno probably not though. ... I could
> probably still do 15 or 16 since 115 would seem incredibly light since
> I never do it.
If you look at some 1RM calculators now, they won't even accept numbers
above 10 reps - smart, that. It's probably a fair generalization to say
that doing more than 10 reps on a particular exercise won't help your
1RM on that exercise.
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Steve Freides wrote:
> <xyzer.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Pete wrote:
>>> <xyzer.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> schreef:
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>>>> I can bench 135 sixteen times without warming up.
>>>
>>> Sixteen reps IS a warmup.
>>
>> Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I wrote it, but I figured I
>> might only be able to bench 14 reps or something if I warmed up with
>> , say, 115 for 10 reps or so... I dunno probably not though. ... I
>> could probably still do 15 or 16 since 115 would seem incredibly
>> light since I never do it.
>
> If you look at some 1RM calculators now, they won't even accept
> numbers above 10 reps - smart, that. It's probably a fair
> generalization to say that doing more than 10 reps on a particular
> exercise won't help your 1RM on that exercise.
It's a generalisation alright. Whether it's a fair one of not is open for
debate. If I perform 3 set x 15 reps of BP incrementing the weight by say
0.5% per week, would my 1RM improve over:
a) 1 month
b) 6 months
c) 12 months
d) none of the above
e) all of the above
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"Bully" <bully1.DeleteThis@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
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> Steve Freides wrote:
>> <xyzer.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> Pete wrote:
>>>> <xyzer.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> schreef:
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>>>>> I can bench 135 sixteen times without warming up.
>>>>
>>>> Sixteen reps IS a warmup.
>>>
>>> Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I wrote it, but I figured I
>>> might only be able to bench 14 reps or something if I warmed up with
>>> , say, 115 for 10 reps or so... I dunno probably not though. ... I
>>> could probably still do 15 or 16 since 115 would seem incredibly
>>> light since I never do it.
>>
>> If you look at some 1RM calculators now, they won't even accept
>> numbers above 10 reps - smart, that. It's probably a fair
>> generalization to say that doing more than 10 reps on a particular
>> exercise won't help your 1RM on that exercise.
>
> It's a generalisation alright. Whether it's a fair one of not is open
> for debate. If I perform 3 set x 15 reps of BP incrementing the weight
> by say 0.5% per week, would my 1RM improve over:
>
> a) 1 month
> b) 6 months
> c) 12 months
> d) none of the above
> e) all of the above
It all depends on what your weakness(es) is/are. I'm sure it would help
some people, but for someone who's been doing this sort of rep range a
lot already like our OP, moving to fewer reps per set and heavier
weights is probably the best route to a better 1RM. IOW, if the 15 rep
sets lay some sort of foundation (which is perfectly possible), he's
done that work already and it's time to move on to the next phase.
Certainly a steady diet of 15 rep sets for someone looking to increase
their 1RM isn't the way to go.
Just my opinion.
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>>>> Pete wrote:
>>>>> <xyzer RemoveThis @hotmail.com> schreef:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I can bench 135 sixteen times without warming up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sixteen reps IS a warmup.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I wrote it, but I figured
>>>> I might only be able to bench 14 reps or something if I warmed up
>>>> with , say, 115 for 10 reps or so... I dunno probably not though.
>>>> ... I could probably still do 15 or 16 since 115 would seem
>>>> incredibly light since I never do it.
>>>
>>> If you look at some 1RM calculators now, they won't even accept
>>> numbers above 10 reps - smart, that. It's probably a fair
>>> generalization to say that doing more than 10 reps on a particular
>>> exercise won't help your 1RM on that exercise.
>>
>> It's a generalisation alright. Whether it's a fair one of not is open
>> for debate. If I perform 3 set x 15 reps of BP incrementing the
>> weight by say 0.5% per week, would my 1RM improve over:
>>
>> a) 1 month
>> b) 6 months
>> c) 12 months
>> d) none of the above
>> e) all of the above
>
> It all depends on what your weakness(es) is/are. I'm sure it would
> help some people,
But you said it wouldn't help period.
> but for someone who's been doing this sort of rep
> range a lot already like our OP, moving to fewer reps per set and
> heavier weights is probably the best route to a better 1RM. IOW, if
> the 15 rep sets lay some sort of foundation (which is perfectly
> possible), he's done that work already and it's time to move on to
> the next phase. Certainly a steady diet of 15 rep sets for someone
> looking to increase their 1RM isn't the way to go.
So what you really meant to say, and it's an important distinction to make,
is that it's not optimal doing >10 rep sets !?! Not that it wouldn't help
period?
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>>>> <xyzer.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>>> Pete wrote:
>>>>>> <xyzer.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> schreef:
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>>>>>>> I can bench 135 sixteen times without warming up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sixteen reps IS a warmup.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I wrote it, but I figured
>>>>> I might only be able to bench 14 reps or something if I warmed up
>>>>> with , say, 115 for 10 reps or so... I dunno probably not though.
>>>>> ... I could probably still do 15 or 16 since 115 would seem
>>>>> incredibly light since I never do it.
>>>>
>>>> If you look at some 1RM calculators now, they won't even accept
>>>> numbers above 10 reps - smart, that. It's probably a fair
>>>> generalization to say that doing more than 10 reps on a particular
>>>> exercise won't help your 1RM on that exercise.
>>>
>>> It's a generalisation alright. Whether it's a fair one of not is
>>> open
>>> for debate. If I perform 3 set x 15 reps of BP incrementing the
>>> weight by say 0.5% per week, would my 1RM improve over:
>>>
>>> a) 1 month
>>> b) 6 months
>>> c) 12 months
>>> d) none of the above
>>> e) all of the above
>>
>> It all depends on what your weakness(es) is/are. I'm sure it would
>> help some people,
>
> But you said it wouldn't help period.
I said it was a generalization - there is no "period" suggested in a
generalization, just that it's a good guideline to keep in mind.
>> but for someone who's been doing this sort of rep
>> range a lot already like our OP, moving to fewer reps per set and
>> heavier weights is probably the best route to a better 1RM. IOW, if
>> the 15 rep sets lay some sort of foundation (which is perfectly
>> possible), he's done that work already and it's time to move on to
>> the next phase. Certainly a steady diet of 15 rep sets for someone
>> looking to increase their 1RM isn't the way to go.
>
> So what you really meant to say, and it's an important distinction to
> make, is that it's not optimal doing >10 rep sets !?! Not that it
> wouldn't help period?
No, if we're being particular with our words here, then let's say that
in the pursuit of a bigger 1RM, 15 rep sets might be optimal for some
people some of the time, just not for most people most of the time, and
not for our OP at this time.
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