Weight gain from muscle - how much?

"Bully" <bully1 RemoveThis @proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
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> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > "Bully" <bully1 RemoveThis @proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
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> >> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> >>> Hey Pete,
> >>>
> >>> At the gym today I decided to try the 'normal' lat pulldown machine
> >>> for the first time. There is definitely a difference. The type in my
> >>> gym is a Nautilus and the weight stack only goes to 114kg. On my
> >>> fifth set, I managed to get 4 x 124kg down by adding a couple of
> >>> those small 5kg DBs onto the stack (without a spotter). I get about
> >>> 160kg on the other machine without a spotter so I think there may be
> >>> somewhere between 20 and 25kg difference. Around 20% yeah. So thats
> >>> part of the story.
> >>>
> >>> The other part is this: You got me thinking about how much I DB curl
> >>> and how much I do on lat pulldown so early this morning I decided to
> >>> do a bicep workout but approach it differently. I did a 12 rep
> >>> warmup on 15kg in each hand. I then went to 22.5kg x 8, 27.5 x 6
> >>> and 32.5 x 4.
> >>
> >> That's good going. I chucked in some seated rotating d/bell curls at
> >> the end of my session yesterday and managed
> >>
> >> 10 x 18kg
> >> 10 x 20kg
> >> 10 x 22kg
> >>
> >
> > Cool! Hey all my DB's are standing rotating curls.
>
> Rotating curls are good. The biceps have 2 purposes one of which is to
> pronate the hand. THerefore exercising with weight whilst doing this is
IMO
> a good thing!!!
>
> > My PT said the
> > rotation was good so I've always done them like that except I used to
> > do them seated. I actually like doing them standing over seated. Is
> > there a big difference or advantage with seated? Do you have an
> > incline while doing that? I've seen guys do incline seated DB curls
> >
> >> Which was about as much as I reckon I could have done.
> >>
> >> Do you bench press on an Oly bar?
> >
> > Yes Olympic. I'm wondering how much they weigh? I thought they
> > were15kg?
>
> 20kg; how much additional weight?
>

To be honest Bully, I think my chest is probably one of my weeker areas. I
have done 100kg x 4 with a spotter. But generally, I do this (the weights
are additional to the bar):

10 x 40kg
10 x 50kg
8 x 70kg
8 x 80kg
4 x 90kg (if I felt strong at 80 I'll attempt 90 otherwise I'll do 80 to
failure again. I'm always scared of getting stuck under that bar)
10 x 50kg

I used to do decline bench but I have a left shoulder injury that got
extremely aggrivated and painful. I would get a numbness in the front of the
shoulder and I nearly dropped the bar on myself once because of a sudden and
sharp pain. Thats the last set I did. I don't know if it's just because I'm
not training well on chest, but I think I got slowly 'weaker' after I
stopped decline bench. I still have to be careful with DB or cable flyes.

> >
> >>
> >>
> >>> I guess I've been lazy huh. So thanks for doubting my numbers and
> >>> challenging my thinking and approach. You may just have helped me to
> >>> get another inch or 3 - thanks!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Pete" <phoutstra RemoveThis @wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
> >>> news:4569c737$0$2034$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl...
> >>>> "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777 RemoveThis @netspace.net.au> schreef:
> >>>>
> >>>>> http://www.houstontexans.com/wpimages/Xpload-Lat-Pulldown.jpg .
> >>>>
> >>>> Did i see levers?
> >>>>
> >>>> ----
> >>>> Pete
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Bully
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> >>
> >> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
> >> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>
>
>
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"Pete" <phoutstra.TakeThisOut@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777.TakeThisOut@netspace.net.au> schreef:
>
> > The other part is this: You got me thinking about how much I DB curl and
> > how
> > much I do on lat pulldown so early this morning I decided to do a bicep
> > workout but approach it differently. I did a 12 rep warmup on 15kg in
each
> > hand. I then went to 22.5kg x 8, 27.5 x 6 and 32.5 x 4. I guess I've
been
> > lazy huh. So thanks for doubting my numbers and challenging my thinking
> > and
> > approach. You may just have helped me to get another inch or 3 - thanks!
>
> You are wellcome.
>
> For years, i have been telling people in this group to never, EVER
question
> my wisdom.
>
> Some of them still dont listen, so dont feel too bad...
>

Fools - damn fools I say.

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Stu wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> Well the first bar on the stack at my gym has 7kg, the next one
>> 14kg, the next 21kg etc. etc. so it's intended to be cumulative.
>> However, the first bar is half the size of all subsequent bars, so I
>> was going to postulate that the numbers are a complete crock of
>> shite! BUT, the 7kg may include the weight of the cable that you are
>> also dealing with ? ! ?
>
> It's probably meant to be include the pin/spear that goes through the
> weight stack, since you're always lifting that too.

Well that's convinced me it's bollocks as the pin weighs about 500gms !!!

> One of my weight
> stacks at home is like this. When I bought it I was a bit pissed that
> I'd only got 19 x 5kg plates for a 100kg stack... the guy in the shop
> told me that the top plate + pin = 5kg, thus totalling 100. I've been
> meaning to check it to see if it's correct but haven't gotten around
> to it...
>
> Btw... 7kg increments? That's just weird...
>
> Stu



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Stu wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>>> It's probably meant to be include the pin/spear that goes through
>>> the weight stack, since you're always lifting that too.
>>
>> Well that's convinced me it's bollocks as the pin weighs about
>> 500gms !!!
>
> The spear... with all the holes in it... that the pin goes into.
>
>
> Stu

Ah, right !

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Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> "Curt" wrote
[...]

> > Uh, I'm not Stephan Carydakis and nor do I
> > portray him on television.
> >
>
> I don't know you very well and I've never see you
> but if you look anything like Travolta, can act at
> least as good as Chuck Norris, and I get a TV gig
> anytime soon, I'll give you a call.

I look nothing like Travolta and, hey, Chuck Norris, I'm certain, could
act circles (or at least roundhouse kicks) around me. Save your
minutes.

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Shute wrote:
[...]

> Is this close enough to John Travolta:
> <http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/curt_james/MFW/supahgeeeenius.jpg>

"i am a SEXAAAY BEAST!"

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"Do either of these purses make my ass look fat?"

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"DZ" <20222.TakeThisOut@2618116561.17676115.1045.2200.2582> wrote in message
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> Stephan Carydakis <steph777.TakeThisOut@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> > "DZ" wrote:
> >> Stephan Carydakis <steph777.TakeThisOut@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> >>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> Stephan Carydakis <steph777.TakeThisOut@netspace.net.au> wrote:
> >>>>> I've seen guys at the gym hanging plates of that belt doing
> >>>>> pull-ups. Should I do it over or under hand?
> >>>>
> >>>> Whatever you prefer, but generally underhand grip, slightly
> >>>> narrower than shoulder width is stronger for most people. Just
> >>>> remember to go from full dead hang to the point when your chin is
> >>>> undoubtedly above the bar.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks. I haven't done them in the gym but I have done them in my
> >>> backyard hanging from the top of a swing frame!
> >>>
> >>>> BTW - mfw record stays at 170 lbs of additional weight, as far as I
> >>>> know.
> >>>
> >>> Wow. thats around 77kgs extra which would mean I'd have 167kg or
> >>> 368lbs to pull up - mmm, I don't think so :-[
> >>
> >> I'm not as heavy as you are.
> >>
> >> > Was that just 1 or was that his (not a her was it?) last set
> >>
> >> It's not unusual that the last sets would be the strongest, unless you
> >> go to failure at intermediate weights. Here is how it would look like -
> >>
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/msg/15967164f54d6923
> >> and the video - http://statgen.ncsu.edu/zaykin/tmp/dz-170lb-chin.avi
> >
> > Cool. Nice work DZ. You make it look easy.
> >
> > I can feel the T in the air ... I'm thinking it's 2.02 am here and my
local
> > gym closes at 9.30 pm - not going to work. My twin bro lives about an
hour
> > north of me and they have a 24hr, 365 day a year gym - I'm tempted but
I'm
> > also inherently lazy so that's a no go. Would love to see what I can do.
> > What's about average? What do you think I _should_ be able to do?
>
> I don't know, but since you're strong on the pulldown, don't try your
> max with the weighted pullups right away - work it up slowly in
> several workouts. Your biceps and lats are strong and so you could
> strain something in an unexpected place, like the abs.

Sounds look good advice. I have 'tweaked' different muscles to what I was
working before. In fact, I get this 'odd' pain beneath my chest over the rib
cage but just on my left side whenever I get heavy on shoulder press. Sounds
like an odd place to get pain when doing shoulder press.
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<rich RemoveThis @NOTyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:45:22 +1100, "Stephan Carydakis"
> <steph777 RemoveThis @netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
> >I've put some very average pics up taken on my old phone camera. Thought
it
> >may help with some of the doubts...Not that I _have_ to prove anything,
but
> >I'm getting the vibe that some people here think I may be flat out lying.
> >While I have to take some responsibility for 'rounding up' and 'rounding
> >down', and possibly measuring incorrectly, as well as possibly showing
some
> >early signs of senility in the form of an inaccurate memory, these pics
> >should give you some idea of what I'm talking about.
> >
> >http://scarydakis.customer.netspace.net.au/trainingpics/
>
> While hypertrophying your arms that much in nine months is possible
> (and very impressive), I doubt you can do it while losing over thirty
> pounds of body weight. The increase in arm size suggests that you
> gained weight, and quite a bit of it.
>
> Rich

I have to agree about gaining weight and hence my original question on this
thread. I have lost 14kgs in just over 12 months. I am the slimmest I have
been in my whole life. My family ad friends recognise this fact as well.
About 10 years ago I was at my slimmest and I weighed 86kg without any
training or exercise whatsoever. So given that fat wise, I think I am leaner
that then 10 years ago. Hence, I guess I would have gained around 5kg or
maybe more in muscle over 12 months and I wanted opinions. Lets not forget I
was way overweight and I still reckon I'm at least in the 20 odd percentage
BF range. I think I could still lose another 4 to 6kg in fat.
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Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> <rich RemoveThis @NOTyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 00:45:22 +1100, "Stephan Carydakis"
>> <steph777 RemoveThis @netspace.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> I've put some very average pics up taken on my old phone camera.
>>> Thought it may help with some of the doubts...Not that I _have_ to
>>> prove anything, but I'm getting the vibe that some people here
>>> think I may be flat out lying. While I have to take some
>>> responsibility for 'rounding up' and 'rounding down', and possibly
>>> measuring incorrectly, as well as possibly showing some early signs
>>> of senility in the form of an inaccurate memory, these pics should
>>> give you some idea of what I'm talking about.
>>>
>>> http://scarydakis.customer.netspace.net.au/trainingpics/
>>
>> While hypertrophying your arms that much in nine months is possible
>> (and very impressive), I doubt you can do it while losing over thirty
>> pounds of body weight. The increase in arm size suggests that you
>> gained weight, and quite a bit of it.
>>
>> Rich
>
> I have to agree about gaining weight and hence my original question
> on this thread. I have lost 14kgs in just over 12 months. I am the
> slimmest I have been in my whole life. My family ad friends recognise
> this fact as well. About 10 years ago I was at my slimmest and I
> weighed 86kg without any training or exercise whatsoever. So given
> that fat wise, I think I am leaner that then 10 years ago. Hence, I
> guess I would have gained around 5kg or maybe more in muscle over 12
> months and I wanted opinions. Lets not forget I was way overweight
> and I still reckon I'm at least in the 20 odd percentage BF range.
> think I could still lose another 4 to 6kg in fat.

At 20% bodyfat and 90kg if you lost 5kg fat [and no muscle] you would start
to look lean !!!



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Dnia 2006-11-30 Shute napisa³(a):
>
> I think the resistance can vary depending on how much weight you are
> using too. I used to use a Hammer Strength machine for an overhead
> press. When I started there was always a 10 pound difference between
> this and a standard dumbbell. Many months later I switched to a new
> gym which didn't have the machine. The weight difference was over 25
> pounds by then. There must be even more help as you use more weight.

You learned machine movement and your dumbbell press remained
unlearned, so the difference grew. Your "real" strength gains are the
difference between equally learned or equally unlearned movements, so
if the dumbbell you could use was bigger then before, that's the extent
of your strength gains "in real world".

> It also wouldn't surprise me if some of the free weights are
> different. I know one of the guys measured a few barbells and got
> some unexpected results.

I'd guess that the weight of bars was an issue, but maybe I'm wrong.

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"Curt" <curtjames RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> rich RemoveThis @NOTyahoo.com wrote:
> > "Stephan Carydakis" wrote:
> >
> > ><snip> As I said, 12 months ago, I weighed
> > >104KG and I'm somewhere around 90 at the
> > moment <snip>
> >
> > Your arms went from about 11.3 to 16.8 while
> > losing over thirty pounds over a 12 month period?
> > That is a pretty good trick. How do you gain
> > that much muscle while in a catabolic state?
> > Did you forget to tell us about the implants?
> > Or are you from the planet Remulak?
>
> heh
>
> I love planet jokes. Still pretty pissed about the whole Pluto
> business, actually.
>
> Anyway, the OP explained elsewhere that
>
> a) he can't - with absolute certainty - state that his arm was 11.3
> inches at the onset of his training.
> b) he was commenting on his nonflexed and straight arm measurement for
> the "before" measurement.
> c) he was measuring that "before" measurement in a straight and
> unflexed position.
> d) he was furthermore measuring his unflexed arm nearer the elbow and
> less towards his triceps thus noting a smaller measurement than what
> may have actually been there to measure.
>
> I think those are the pertinent bullet point-type things to include in
> the size saga.
>
> Uh, I'm not Stephan Carydakis and nor do I portray him on television.
>

I don't know you very well and I've never see you but if you look anything
like Travolta, can act at least as good as Chuck Norris, and I get a TV gig
anytime soon, I'll give you a call.

> > Rich
>
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