Weight gain from muscle - how much?

Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2006-11-29 Stephan Carydakis napisa³(a):
>>
>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ekjj51$p2o$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>> Don't be so bitter, Bully. Guy has pretty good arms.
>>>
>>> Stephen, to shut all doubters up, do simple pull-up with extra
>>> weight attached to your belt, and be done with it. Nobody will
>>> discuss
>>> the weights of plates.
>>
>> hehe. I think I've done enough and I'm not really that fussed. I
>> really only compare me to me. If I'm stagnating, I want to find
>> something different so as to get moving again. Yes, the male of the
>> species likes to but heads, especially when T is involved. And like
>> any man, I can't help but join in from time to time. It's natural,
>> but not always healthy. Still, I would be interested in what I can
>> do in this exercise. I've seen guys at the gym hanging plates of
>> that belt doing pull-ups. Should I do it over or under hand?
>
> Whatever you prefer, but generally underhand grip, slightly narrower
> than shoulder width is stronger for most people.

Why is it stronger, and is that necessarily a good thing? Doesn't an
overhand [pronotated] grip isolate the lats more which is generally the
purpose of this exercise?

> Just remember to go
> from full dead hang to the point when your chin is undoubtedly above
> the bar.
>
> BTW - mfw record stays at 170 lbs of additional weight, as far as I
> know.
>
>>> BTW - Your biceps do look big, but I wasn't sure if your triceps is
>>> proportional. Maybe it was just an angle or something similar, but
>>> still, when training for aesthetics, it makes sense to pay
>>> attention to more or less proportional development. Sooner or
>>> later you'll look rather big (you have the talent for it,
>>> obviously), so pay attention to look proportionally big, not
>>> awkwardly big.
>>
>> Umm, I think tricpes are not that far away.
>
> Quite possible. I'm no expert when it comes to judging physiques.
>
>> I do train all body parts
>> evenly. I put even time into most muscle groups. In the past, legs
>> seem to get left behind if I am tired or just haven't got time to
>> train on a day. I have remedied that by getting a FID bench, easy
>> bar, DB's and 120kg of weights for home. I now do the odd bicep ro
>> shoulder routine from home on a weekend and this seems to be working
>> really well for being able to complete my workouts. Thanks for the
>> positive input though.
>>
>> Those photos do look quite odd. They don't look right. My arms look
>> 'bloated' but my arms are quite lean in reality - relatively at
>> least. Having said that, they are not at that 'cut' stage yet.
>
> When you'll finally cut, they should look monstrous.

Once the fat is gone there'll be nothing left !!

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> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> > Dnia 2006-11-29 Bully napisa³(a):
> >> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> >>> Hey Pete,
> >>>
> >>> At the gym today I decided to try the 'normal' lat pulldown machine
> >>> for the first time. There is definitely a difference. The type in my
> >>> gym is a Nautilus and the weight stack only goes to 114kg. On my
> >>> fifth set, I managed to get 4 x 124kg down by adding a couple of
> >>> those small 5kg DBs onto the stack (without a spotter). I get about
> >>> 160kg on the other machine without a spotter so I think there may be
> >>> somewhere between 20 and 25kg difference. Around 20% yeah. So thats
> >>> part of the story.
> >>
> >> I'll let you into a little secret: the little numbers painted on the
> >> weights on lat pulldown machines, and others, despite being suffixed
> >> with the letters "kg" don't actually genuinely represent that amount
> >> of real" weight!!!
> >
> > Don't be so bitter, Bully.
>
> Not bitter, just setting the guy straight as I've seen this discussion
about
> doing pulldowns with Xkg too many times when it's really not relevant!
>
> > Guy has pretty good arms.
>
> Yup, with a fair proportion of fat though!
>

As I stated in my earlier response just a few minutes ago, those photos do
amke my arms look bloated or as you say fat. But in reality, my arms are
probably the leanest part of my body. When I'm flexing, there's not much fat
to pinch.

> >
> > Stephen, to shut all doubters up, do simple pull-up
>
> Do them wide grip, hands pronated.

What kind of grip should I use? Over or underhand. Or does pullup imply
underhand? Is a pronated grip when the bar tilts toward the ground at its
end?

>
> > with extra weight
> > attached to your belt, and be done with it. Nobody will discuss
> > the weights of plates.
>
> Oh yes we will !!
>
> >
> > BTW - Your biceps do look big, but I wasn't sure if your triceps is
> > proportional. Maybe it was just an angle or something similar, but
> > still, when training for aesthetics, it makes sense to pay attention
> > to more or less proportional development. Sooner or later you'll look
> > rather big (you have the talent for it, obviously), so pay attention
> > to look proportionally big, not awkwardly big.
>
> What tricep exercises does the OP do?
>

As I mentioned, I do workout fairly evenly. As in 3 exercises for each
muscle group and similar reps. I currenty to tricep press down with that bar
attachment like an easy bar. I do 2 warmup sets of 10, 3 heavies of 8 and a
warmdown of 10. I then do skull crushers with an easy bar 1 warmup, 3
heavies, 1 warm down. Then I grab a rope and go back to tricep press downs
with that little 'kick' out thingy at the full extension using light weights
with short rests of around 20 secs - they really burn if I'm not being lazy.

> --
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>
>
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Dnia 2006-11-29 Shute napisa³(a):
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:19:19 +1100, "Stephan Carydakis"
><steph777 DeleteThis @netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
>>As I stated in my earlier response just a few minutes ago, those photos do
>>amke my arms look bloated or as you say fat. But in reality, my arms are
>>probably the leanest part of my body. When I'm flexing, there's not much fat
>>to pinch.
>
> Try pinching the tricep. The majority of fat in the upper arms tend
> to reside there.

Actually, not in my case. Once a 2 years old managed to pinch me there
to draw attention to himself, and one of my aunties was genuinely
surprised that such a feat was even possible.

>>> Do them wide grip, hands pronated.
>>
>>What kind of grip should I use? Over or underhand. Or does pullup imply
>>underhand? Is a pronated grip when the bar tilts toward the ground at its
>>end?
>
> Pronated and pullups are generally overhand. Chinups are underhand or
> facing each other.

You are right, and I'll try to remember what is what, but I'll probably
forget it again.

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"Bully" <bully1 DeleteThis @proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
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> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > "Bully" <bully1 DeleteThis @proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
> > news:4t4ttbF12g178U1@mid.individual.net...
> >> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> >>> Hey Pete,
> >>>
> >>> At the gym today I decided to try the 'normal' lat pulldown machine
> >>> for the first time. There is definitely a difference. The type in my
> >>> gym is a Nautilus and the weight stack only goes to 114kg. On my
> >>> fifth set, I managed to get 4 x 124kg down by adding a couple of
> >>> those small 5kg DBs onto the stack (without a spotter). I get about
> >>> 160kg on the other machine without a spotter so I think there may be
> >>> somewhere between 20 and 25kg difference. Around 20% yeah. So thats
> >>> part of the story.
> >>
> >> I'll let you into a little secret: the little numbers painted on the
> >> weights on lat pulldown machines, and others, despite being suffixed
> >> with the letters "kg" don't actually genuinely represent that amount
> >> of real" weight!!!
> >>
> >
> > Interesting comment Bully. What do you mean by 'real weight'? If you
> > pull those bars out and weigh them then will they weigh what is
> > stamped on them?
>
> Well the first bar on the stack at my gym has 7kg, the next one 14kg, the
> next 21kg etc. etc. so it's intended to be cumulative. However, the first
> bar is half the size of all subsequent bars, so I was going to postulate
> that the numbers are a complete crock of shite! BUT, the 7kg may include
the
> weight of the cable that you are also dealing with ? ! ?
>

Fair enough. I certainly have come to realise that any machines that link
the weight stack via multiple levers or linkages, or even multiple pulleys
with varying sizes actually change the 'real weight' experience in your
hand. I think I saw a victim of this last week A couple of weeks ago a guy
at my gym was aproachind the flat bench press area. He was very large, as in
fat, and I heard him say to his mate to stack on 100kg for his first set. I
thought to myself, 'well it is possible that he got some good muscle under
all that'. Even though he and his friend both looked like newbies, I have
learned no to judge someones strength by looking at them. Well, he couldn't
even budge it with his friend spotting. So he reduced the amount of weight
until there was a 20kg plate on each side and he couldn't get 6 out with
form all over the joint. Like for the first 3 months I was doing it! I then
heard him tell his mate that he did 100kg the other day. I know you can get
fatigued but not that much! I gathered he'd used one of those bench press
machines with 100kg on the stack? Given that with 2x25kg and what,15kg (?)
for the olympic bar he had 65kg on there. Maybe more 'real weight' than what
was actually on the machine he possibly was comparing to?

> > If yes, then thats as real as I need it to be for
> > comparison sakes. Besides all of that, I am not posting the weights I
> > do because I want to challenge anyone elses ability etc. As Pete
> > challenged my original statements, with good apparent good reason, I
> > wanted to be on an even par with what Pete was stating. So now we
> > are. Thats all.
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The other part is this: You got me thinking about how much I DB curl
> >>> and how much I do on lat pulldown so early this morning I decided to
> >>> do a bicep workout but approach it differently. I did a 12 rep
> >>> warmup on 15kg in each hand. I then went to 22.5kg x 8, 27.5 x 6
> >>> and 32.5 x
> >>> 4. I guess I've been lazy huh. So thanks for doubting my numbers and
> >>> challenging my thinking and approach. You may just have helped me to
> >>> get another inch or 3 - thanks!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Pete" <phoutstra DeleteThis @wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
> >>> news:4569c737$0$2034$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl...
> >>>> "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777 DeleteThis @netspace.net.au> schreef:
> >>>>
> >>>>> http://www.houstontexans.com/wpimages/Xpload-Lat-Pulldown.jpg .
> >>>>
> >>>> Did i see levers?
> >>>>
> >>>> ----
> >>>> Pete
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Bully
> >> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
> >>
> >> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
> >> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>
>
>
> --
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>
>
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Stephan Carydakis wrote:

[...]

FYI: Oly bar weighs in at 20kg

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"Bully" <bully1.DeleteThis@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
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> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > Hey Pete,
> >
> > At the gym today I decided to try the 'normal' lat pulldown machine
> > for the first time. There is definitely a difference. The type in my
> > gym is a Nautilus and the weight stack only goes to 114kg. On my
> > fifth set, I managed to get 4 x 124kg down by adding a couple of
> > those small 5kg DBs onto the stack (without a spotter). I get about
> > 160kg on the other machine without a spotter so I think there may be
> > somewhere between 20 and 25kg difference. Around 20% yeah. So thats
> > part of the story.
> >
> > The other part is this: You got me thinking about how much I DB curl
> > and how much I do on lat pulldown so early this morning I decided to
> > do a bicep workout but approach it differently. I did a 12 rep warmup
> > on 15kg in each hand. I then went to 22.5kg x 8, 27.5 x 6 and 32.5 x
> > 4.
>
> That's good going. I chucked in some seated rotating d/bell curls at the
end
> of my session yesterday and managed
>
> 10 x 18kg
> 10 x 20kg
> 10 x 22kg
>

Cool! Hey all my DB's are standing rotating curls. My PT said the rotation
was good so I've always done them like that except I used to do them seated.
I actually like doing them standing over seated. Is there a big difference
or advantage with seated? Do you have an incline while doing that? I've seen
guys do incline seated DB curls

> Which was about as much as I reckon I could have done.
>
> Do you bench press on an Oly bar?

Yes Olympic. I'm wondering how much they weigh? I thought they were15kg?

>
>
> > I guess I've been lazy huh. So thanks for doubting my numbers and
> > challenging my thinking and approach. You may just have helped me to
> > get another inch or 3 - thanks!
> >
> >
> > "Pete" <phoutstra.DeleteThis@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
> > news:4569c737$0$2034$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl...
> >> "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777.DeleteThis@netspace.net.au> schreef:
> >>
> >>> http://www.houstontexans.com/wpimages/Xpload-Lat-Pulldown.jpg .
> >>
> >> Did i see levers?
> >>
> >> ----
> >> Pete
>
>
>
> --
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>
>
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Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1.RemoveThis@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
> news:4t57dnF12548rU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
>>> Hey Pete,
>>>
>>> At the gym today I decided to try the 'normal' lat pulldown machine
>>> for the first time. There is definitely a difference. The type in my
>>> gym is a Nautilus and the weight stack only goes to 114kg. On my
>>> fifth set, I managed to get 4 x 124kg down by adding a couple of
>>> those small 5kg DBs onto the stack (without a spotter). I get about
>>> 160kg on the other machine without a spotter so I think there may be
>>> somewhere between 20 and 25kg difference. Around 20% yeah. So thats
>>> part of the story.
>>>
>>> The other part is this: You got me thinking about how much I DB curl
>>> and how much I do on lat pulldown so early this morning I decided to
>>> do a bicep workout but approach it differently. I did a 12 rep
>>> warmup on 15kg in each hand. I then went to 22.5kg x 8, 27.5 x 6
>>> and 32.5 x 4.
>>
>> That's good going. I chucked in some seated rotating d/bell curls at
>> the end of my session yesterday and managed
>>
>> 10 x 18kg
>> 10 x 20kg
>> 10 x 22kg
>>
>
> Cool! Hey all my DB's are standing rotating curls.

Rotating curls are good. The biceps have 2 purposes one of which is to
pronate the hand. THerefore exercising with weight whilst doing this is IMO
a good thing!!!

> My PT said the
> rotation was good so I've always done them like that except I used to
> do them seated. I actually like doing them standing over seated. Is
> there a big difference or advantage with seated? Do you have an
> incline while doing that? I've seen guys do incline seated DB curls
>
>> Which was about as much as I reckon I could have done.
>>
>> Do you bench press on an Oly bar?
>
> Yes Olympic. I'm wondering how much they weigh? I thought they
> were15kg?

20kg; how much additional weight?

>
>>
>>
>>> I guess I've been lazy huh. So thanks for doubting my numbers and
>>> challenging my thinking and approach. You may just have helped me to
>>> get another inch or 3 - thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>> "Pete" <phoutstra.RemoveThis@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
>>> news:4569c737$0$2034$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>>> "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777.RemoveThis@netspace.net.au> schreef:
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.houstontexans.com/wpimages/Xpload-Lat-Pulldown.jpg .
>>>>
>>>> Did i see levers?
>>>>
>>>> ----
>>>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bully
>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>
>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss



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Bully wrote:
> > It's probably meant to be include the pin/spear that goes through the
> > weight stack, since you're always lifting that too.
>
> Well that's convinced me it's bollocks as the pin weighs about 500gms !!!

The spear... with all the holes in it... that the pin goes into.


Stu
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"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Dnia 2006-11-29 Stephan Carydakis napisa³(a):
> >
> > "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:ekjj51$p2o$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
> >> Don't be so bitter, Bully. Guy has pretty good arms.
> >>
> >> Stephen, to shut all doubters up, do simple pull-up with extra weight
> >> attached to your belt, and be done with it. Nobody will discuss
> >> the weights of plates.
> >
> > hehe. I think I've done enough and I'm not really that fussed. I really
only
> > compare me to me. If I'm stagnating, I want to find something different
so
> > as to get moving again. Yes, the male of the species likes to but heads,
> > especially when T is involved. And like any man, I can't help but join
in
> > from time to time. It's natural, but not always healthy. Still, I would
be
> > interested in what I can do in this exercise. I've seen guys at the gym
> > hanging plates of that belt doing pull-ups. Should I do it over or under
> > hand?
>
> Whatever you prefer, but generally underhand grip, slightly narrower
> than shoulder width is stronger for most people. Just remember to go
> from full dead hang to the point when your chin is undoubtedly above
> the bar.
>

Thanks. I haven't done them in the gym but I have done them in my backyard
hanging from the top of a swing frame!

> BTW - mfw record stays at 170 lbs of additional weight, as far as I
> know.

Wow. thats around 77kgs extra which would mean I'd have 167kg or 368lbs to
pull up - mmm, I don't think so :-[ Was that just 1 or was that his (not a
her was it?) last set

>
> >> BTW - Your biceps do look big, but I wasn't sure if your triceps is
> >> proportional. Maybe it was just an angle or something similar, but
> >> still, when training for aesthetics, it makes sense to pay attention to
> >> more or less proportional development. Sooner or later you'll look
> >> rather big (you have the talent for it, obviously), so pay attention to
> >> look proportionally big, not awkwardly big.
> >
> > Umm, I think tricpes are not that far away.
>
> Quite possible. I'm no expert when it comes to judging physiques.
>
> > I do train all body parts
> > evenly. I put even time into most muscle groups. In the past, legs seem
to
> > get left behind if I am tired or just haven't got time to train on a
day. I
> > have remedied that by getting a FID bench, easy bar, DB's and 120kg of
> > weights for home. I now do the odd bicep ro shoulder routine from home
on a
> > weekend and this seems to be working really well for being able to
complete
> > my workouts. Thanks for the positive input though.
> >
> > Those photos do look quite odd. They don't look right. My arms look
> > 'bloated' but my arms are quite lean in reality - relatively at least.
> > Having said that, they are not at that 'cut' stage yet.
>
> When you'll finally cut, they should look monstrous.
>

Unfortunately, I don't think I could give up one of my favourite past times
which involves stimulating my taste buds with food I don't really _need_ to
eat.

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"Shute" <Shute.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:19:19 +1100, "Stephan Carydakis"
> <steph777.TakeThisOut@netspace.net.au> wrote:
>
> >As I stated in my earlier response just a few minutes ago, those photos
do
> >amke my arms look bloated or as you say fat. But in reality, my arms are
> >probably the leanest part of my body. When I'm flexing, there's not much
fat
> >to pinch.
>
> Try pinching the tricep. The majority of fat in the upper arms tend
> to reside there.
>
> >> Do them wide grip, hands pronated.
> >
> >What kind of grip should I use? Over or underhand. Or does pullup imply
> >underhand? Is a pronated grip when the bar tilts toward the ground at its
> >end?
>
> Pronated and pullups are generally overhand. Chinups are underhand or
> facing each other.
>

OK. Thanks.

> >As I mentioned, I do workout fairly evenly. As in 3 exercises for each
> >muscle group and similar reps. I currenty to tricep press down with that
bar
> >attachment like an easy bar. I do 2 warmup sets of 10, 3 heavies of 8 and
a
> >warmdown of 10. I then do skull crushers with an easy bar 1 warmup, 3
> >heavies, 1 warm down. Then I grab a rope and go back to tricep press
downs
> >with that little 'kick' out thingy at the full extension using light
weights
> >with short rests of around 20 secs - they really burn if I'm not being
lazy.
>
> How many times a week are you doing that?

I do each muscle group once a week with abs and 1 leg exercise at least 3
times a week. Initially, when I wanted to get more serious and start doing
free weights, my PT gave me a 5 day workout over 3 days because I didn't
think I could get to the gym more than that. I found that I was spending
about 1 hour and 40 minutes on day 1 which was chest and biceps, as well as
abs and 1 leg exercise which I do on at least 3 days. It was hard work and
getting to the point where I had a negative attitude towards training so I
changed it. For about the last month, I go to the gym on 4 days and do
either shoulders or biceps from home once a week. This is keeping me
positive and looking forward to training. Generally, this is what I stick
to:

Day 1: chest (flat bench, incline bench cable flyes), abs (med ball twist
and crunches) and 1 leg exercise
Day 2: biceps (standing db curls, standing easy bar curls, reverse curls OR
hammer curls), abs and 1 leg exercise
Day 3: rest - 5 km powerwalk with 1 km jog
Day 4: back (1 arm rows, lat pulldown, seated row), 1 trap exercise
(shrugs), abs
Day 5: triceps (as above), abs, 1 leg exercise (maybe do 5km power walk
depending on how I'm feeling)
Day 6: shoulders (db lateral raises, db posterior raises, db press)
Day 7: rest - maybe do the 5km walk thingy or play a fun game of soccer,
football (aussie rules) or cricket


What do you think? I'm actually getting to a point where I think I need to
redo things. Only because I've read you need to mix it up a bit so your body
doesn't get used to doing a particular exercise. And actually, this thread
has given me food for thought. I may try reducing sets to only 4 and try
heavier weights as I did yesterday with db curls and managed to get an extra
5kg in each hand. Opinions?
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"DZ" <14991 DeleteThis @210526800.2875314251.32416.20357.13258> wrote in message
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> Stephan Carydakis <steph777 DeleteThis @netspace.net.au> wrote:
> > "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Stephan Carydakis <steph777 DeleteThis @netspace.net.au> wrote:
> >>> I've seen guys at the gym hanging plates of that belt doing
> >>> pull-ups. Should I do it over or under hand?
> >>
> >> Whatever you prefer, but generally underhand grip, slightly
> >> narrower than shoulder width is stronger for most people. Just
> >> remember to go from full dead hang to the point when your chin is
> >> undoubtedly above the bar.
> >
> > Thanks. I haven't done them in the gym but I have done them in my
backyard
> > hanging from the top of a swing frame!
> >
> >> BTW - mfw record stays at 170 lbs of additional weight, as far as I
> >> know.
> >
> > Wow. thats around 77kgs extra which would mean I'd have 167kg or
> > 368lbs to pull up - mmm, I don't think so :-[
>
> I'm not as heavy as you are.
>
> > Was that just 1 or was that his (not a her was it?) last set
>
> It's not unusual that the last sets would be the strongest, unless you
> go to failure at intermediate weights. Here is how it would look like -
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.fitness.weights/msg/15967164f54d6923
> and the video - http://statgen.ncsu.edu/zaykin/tmp/dz-170lb-chin.avi

Cool. Nice work DZ. You make it look easy.

I can feel the T in the air ... I'm thinking it's 2.02 am here and my local
gym closes at 9.30 pm - not going to work. My twin bro lives about an hour
north of me and they have a 24hr, 365 day a year gym - I'm tempted but I'm
also inherently lazy so that's a no go. Would love to see what I can do.
What's about average? What do you think I _should_ be able to do?
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