Weight gain from muscle - how much?

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"Curt" <curtjames.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
>
> re pulldowns
>
> > yeah, about 4 with not good form (wrists rotate)
> > and a spotter
>
> What does that mean? Your wrists rotate how? You really gotta get a
> video up online somewhere, Steph. My Sony Cyberwhatever has video
> capability and it's a pretty inexpensive camera. Do you have a digital?
>

It's the type with 2 independant levers connected to independant weight
stacks where you stack free weights. I like it because each side is
independant. Imagine that. Its the same type as this one
http://www.houstontexans.com/wpimages/Xpload-Lat-Pulldown.jpg . When I get
bad form, my wrists rotate so that my thumbs face the sky. The form in the
phot is bad according to what my PT said. He wreckons this brings a bit of
tricep in and to keep my palms facing the ground for good form.

>
> You wrists rotate? Like twisting the throttle on a motorcycle? You're
> using a standard lat pulldown bar?
> http://www.ironworkout.com/pulldown.jpg
>
> And your form is sumpin sumpin like that guy's? What is the spotter
> doing? Holding you down?
>

hehe, he needs to. my thighs hold me in. he grabs the handles from behind
me.
Hey I spoke to my friend who ask me to measure my arms. He distinctly
remembers them being 14 inches about 6 months ago because they where
slightly bigger than his when he was training. He cant recall the originall
measurement.

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"Stephan Carydakis" <steph777.RemoveThis@netspace.net.au> schreef:

> http://www.houstontexans.com/wpimages/Xpload-Lat-Pulldown.jpg .

Did i see levers?

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"Curt" <curtjames RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Bully wrote:
>
> re a six-inch jump in biceps measurement in 9 months in addition to a
> weight loss
>
> > Were you flexing the bicep on the 2nd measure,
> > but possibly not on the 1st?
>
> Even that wouldn't account for a six-inch increase, imo.
>
> What's the difference between your flexed and unflexed arm? Even your
> untrained unflexed arm and your trained and flexed arm? Rhetorical.
>
> Regardless, if the OP accomplished such a feat then "Bully" for him.
> ;o)
>

unflexed 13.5 flexed 16.8.

> > But, IMO, someone with good genetics would
> > generally start out with big arms before training
> > them!
>
> I tend to agree, but will offer that it's not a necessity or an
> absolute. Some do "balloon" but the OP presents an incredible leap.
>
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"Shute" <Shute.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On 25 Nov 2006 09:06:59 -0800, "Curt" <curtjames.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Bully wrote:
> >
> >re a six-inch jump in biceps measurement in 9 months in addition to a
> >weight loss
> >
> >> Were you flexing the bicep on the 2nd measure,
> >> but possibly not on the 1st?
> >
> >Even that wouldn't account for a six-inch increase, imo.
> >
> >What's the difference between your flexed and unflexed arm? Even your
> >untrained unflexed arm and your trained and flexed arm? Rhetorical.
>
> He also lost fat while gaining muscle. Which means at least some of
> the original 11 inches where fat.

true. while not an expert in body types, my legs and arms seem to carry the
least fat (by far) overall. My torso and face are the last areas to lose it
(especially love handles and lower abdomen) and while I don't know my bfp, I
still have quite a bit on the torso. My top ab is just starting to be
noticeable!. but I can feel the other suckers under the layers of lard just
waiting to come out for a spin.
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"Curt" <curtjames RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> [...]
>
> > To be more accurate, it's more like 5.6 inches as they are not
> > exactly 17 but around 16.8. And they were not exactly 11 they
> > where 11.2 or 11.3. But anyways, they are the facts wether
> > you guys believe it or not.
>
> Facts? Okay. Changing facts. I can deal with change. Now, instead of 11
> to 17 in nine months it's 11.3 to 16.8 in... is it still nine months or
> would you like to adjust that number, too?
>

Well, I am of the male species. I suppose I need to be more accurate in
future.

> Let's round to a nearby half-inch, okay? Go with 11 1/2 inches unflexed
> and arm straight to 16 1/2 inches at a flexed at about a 45
> degree-angle measurement, okay? Over nine months.
>

Yes OK. They are 16.8 right now.

> What's your straight and unflexed arm measurement now? I'll guess 14
> 1/2 inches. That's giving you a flexed increase of two inches which
> isn't unheard of and, yes, a nine-month increase of three inches which
> is the difference from your untrained measurement of 11.5 inches to
> your current 14.5 inches (16 1/2 inches flexed).
>

unflexed 13.5 flexed 16.8.

> Still, you say you /lost/ weight? Maybe you did indeed.

I have. Heaps of it over the last year. As I said, 12 months ago, I weighed
104KG and I'm somewhere around 90 at the moment (in the morning after I've
let the hostages out and before eating anything)

>
> Congrats. Keep lifting. Enjoy your stay, however it wouldn't hurt to be
> able to post a YouTube deal of your pulldowns and db curls. People here
> have done that as it's easier to be in awe of a weighted chin by DZ or,
> say, a deadlift by Freides or Williams if you can actually SEE the lift
> performed. Likewise people have posted pics of their physique as Robert
> Schuh, Larry Hodges, Bob Volkmer, and more can attest.
>

I'll try and get some stuff up soon. Why the DB curls? They're pretty
average from what others say? Doesn't your 'max' depend alot on what you
have done before hand anyway? If I do 6 sets of BB curls before hand, then 3
sets of DB curls, the last 'heavy' DB will be much less than say going
straight to 2 DB warmup then crank on the weight for a heavy?

> > They haven't grown in the last 3 weeks as I took the 16.8
> > measurement 3 weeks ago and they are still that. The only
> > other thing I can think of is that I was not on creatine when
> > I took the initial reading, but now am. I have not taken a
> > measurement when not on creatine.
>
> Uh, I'm trying my best not to be a jerk, but you're not helping.
>

Do you usually struggle with the jerk in you forcing his (her?) way out? I'm
not sure.

> "I was not on creatine when I took the initial reading, but now am. I
> have not taken a measurement when not on creatine." Notice anything
> funny there? The initial reading (or measurement) was *not* on
> creatine, but you _haven't_ taken a measure when not on creatine???
> I'll make the leap. Got it. Never mind.
>

Yes reading that back literally sounds a tad stupid to me too. But I'm glad
that bridge came up and the synaptic roadway was able to continue. Well
done!

> Anyway, maybe it would be better to just say that ALL your gain has
> been muscle and leave it at that. Would that be okay with you? No
> numbers. No amount lifted in kilograms or pounds. Just that you've made
> impressive gains and all concerned are very impressed and pleased for
> you. Kudos.
>
> > They say creatine can increase the size of muscles
> > due to water retention in muscle cells?
>
> That's some serious water retention, Steph. I guess it would be
> inappropriate to call you Mr. Noah's Ark Arms, right? Katrina Biceps
> would be just as bad, I imagine.
>

hehe. I don't know! I have experienced a weight gain of around 3 kgs after
about the 5th day of a creatine loading cycle. I dont know if creatine can
add 1/2 inch, more less or anything at all. Note the question mark at the
end of that statement.

Thanks for the enjoyable reading.
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"Stephan Carydakis" <steph777.RemoveThis@netspace.net.au> schreef:

> unflexed 13.5 flexed 16.8.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!

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"Curt" <curtjames.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> schreef:

>> > unflexed 13.5 flexed 16.8.

>> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!

> Stop laughing! I'm guessing that the additional muscle mass comes from
> an interdimensional gateway, Pete.

Its a 25% expansion.

Sergio had a genuine 20 inch arm. I dont think he expaned to 24 inch. I
believe he went from 20 to 21.5, due to flat biceps and rather flat, but
massive, triceps.

An 8% expansion.

Arnold went from 19.5 to 22. That was a LOT! Arnold was the Pump Master.

Still, thats "only" a 13% expansion...

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"Curt" <curtjames DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> [...]
>
> re 11-inch arms to 17-inch arms (biceps measurement?) in 9 months with
> corresponding fat *loss*
>
> > <snip> why does this sound ridiculous?
>
> Because it's an incredible size jump, Steph. One almost impossible to
> accept as truth. Ymmv.
>

I don't know what represents an incredible size jump. I'm here to learn.

> Pictures? Visual proof would indeed help, however even photos can be
> manipulated. Were you measuring the same bodypart each time? Is your
> one arm withered and you measured the healthy arm the second time? Are
> you Casey Viator after recovering from an industrial accident AND
> creating a time machine of some sort? Are you an alien that cloned
> Bruce Randall... with a twist?
> http://www.americanpowerliftevolution.net/BruceRandallPage.html
>

Damn! He must have inspired the early drive in cinemas. Look, I do have a
wide back. I'm that kind of build - naturally broad. I don't need to prove
anything. I don't know why I should but I will endeavour to get something on
vid or still. Hey, is 310KG good for leg press? Not a 45 type. This type:
http://www.exerciseandleisure.com/nxp07.htm

> Seriously, I remember reading that to gain an inch on your arm that you
> need to gain between ten and fifteen pounds. You claim that you gained
> SIX inches on your arm while actually losing weight? So immediately
> your claim is running contrary to my perceived reality. Hey, it
> happens. But are you sure you've measured correctly?
>

Look, as I said just up there ^, I can't be 100% sure about my initial
reading but its what I remember. Given that I'm male and nearly 38, my
memory could be wrong. I have to give you that if you guys are in the know.
However, like I said in another post or 2, a good friend distinctly
remembers that around 5 months ago, my arms were just under 14 inches. He
actually remembers they were just over 35cm becuase when he used to train a
bit, he had 34 cm arms. My arms are now 16.8 inches. These are actual, 100%
certifiable measurements and time frames. So while I can't say 100% that my
memory is correct for the initial measurement, the last 5 months is
definately correct. So does 3 inches in 5 months still sound almost
impossible?

> > Not everyone's genetics allows them to have results like me!
>
> Likewise, not everyone's imagination allows them to believe the results
> you claim. ;o)
>

Fair enough.

> > As my PT pointed out 9 months ago, genetics are
> > an overwhelming factor.
>
> (looks at 14-inch bicep)
>
> TELL ME ABOUT IT!
>
> > After 3 months of circuit type work, I was doing weights
> > not that far away from where he was after years of
> > training. While he was not a large man, he was strong
> > and cut to the max.
>
> [...]
>
> Okay, mister genetic superior. Schuh's table is over there. Get
> yourself a protein drink and introduce yourself around. Welcome to the
> newsgroup. Avoid the ferns.
>

Hehe. Did I mention that I'm a direct decendant of Hercules? :-]

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Pete wrote:
> "Stephan Carydakis" schreef:
>
> >> > unflexed 13.5 flexed 16.8.
>
> >> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!
>
> > Stop it, now you're making me laugh! But seriously
> > holmes, what's so funny?
>
> The additional 3.3 inch.
>
> > Unless I am using some sort of non standard measuring
> > technique, thems the figures. Do they sound ridiculous?
>
> Yes.
>
> > I wish you would elaborate more!
>
> See the other post.

I think he has things figured out now, Pete.

But I'm curious about your opinion on the Arthur Jones schtufff on arm
measurements. Are you under the impression that Sergio's 20 1/8"
bicep/arm measurement was a straight arm or bent at a 90 degree angle?
I always thought that 20 1/8" was his bent and flexed arm. Regardless
of the numbers or arm position, Sergio was a monster and IS a legend of
bodybuilding.

> Pete

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Curt wrote:
> But I'm curious about your opinion on the Arthur Jones schtufff on arm
> measurements. Are you under the impression that Sergio's 20 1/8"
> bicep/arm measurement was a straight arm or bent at a 90 degree angle?

If you had a 20 1/8" bicep with your arm straight, wouldn't you want to
measure it flexed and tell everyone you had a 22" arm?


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