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On Mar 6, 5:23 pm, r... DeleteThis @spamgmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:36:11 -0500, "Steve Freides"
> > Generally speaking, you want to minimize, not maximize,
> > water loss via sweating during exercise.
>
> I'm 52, have been working out regularly for the last 7 years. I've
> always sweated more than anyone I know.

I really wish you would not change the subject of a thread. If you
want to start a new topic, post a new thread, not a "follow
up" (response). By changing the subject, the nature of the original
thread might be "lost", depending on how a person's newsreader
presents the thread.

> When I'm through with the
> elliptical machine (after about 45 minutes, with at least 30 of those
> minutes being in the 115-125 bpm range) my shirt is a soaking rag.

Indicating your HR tells us little. What is more important is your
%maxHR. I would __not__ assume that your maxHR is 168 (220 - 52) and
therefore 115-125 is 68-74% MHR. But if that is what you assume, that
is not very strenuous exercise for the majority of your session. What
is (%M)HR for the other 15 minutes?

By the way, I am not suggesting that you exercise more strenuously.
If the exercise feels strenuous at that HR, either your MHR estimate
is too high, or there are other conditions that cause you to perceive
strenuous exercise. At any rate, you are doing the right thing if you
are "listening to your body". I am simply making the point that
telling us your HR tells us little.

> I fill up a small Aqua Blue water bottle before I start, and don't
> drink any until after I'm about 14 minutes into my workout. From
> there on, I drink one swig every 5 minutes.
>
> I'm curious Opinions as to whether I should cut back the intensity so
> I don't sweat so much.

I was afraid Steve's comments might evoke this kind of undue concern.

Each person sweats more or less according to his/her individual
needs. Obese people tend to sweat more than "usual", even at low
HRs. I would be concerned about the amount of sweat only if it is one
of many symptoms that could indicate another problem. For example, if
you also felt dizzy. Otherwise, there is no reason to cut back. I
begin to sweat just thinking about exercise -- or so it seems.

What I hope Steve meant to say is: it is unwise to increase sweating
artificial, specifically by raising body heat. Excessive sweating
does put extra demands on the body. For example, you lose
electrolytes at a higher rate. And of course you dehydrate at a
higher rate.

To that end, if you do sweat a lot, you might need to replenish water
at faster pace than "normal". You might also need to replenish
electrolytes at a faster pace. What is "normal"? No one really
knows. But there are some guidelines that experts tout. I'm not sure
I remember them correctly off-hand; something like 1 pint of fluid for
every hour of strenuous exercise, and consider drinking an electrolyte-
enhanced fluid or otherwise replenishing electrolytes if you exercise
strenuously for much more than 1 hour.

One way to gauge your water needs is to weigh yourself before and
after exercise. If you see a substantial change, it is due to water
loss, and you should hydrate more during exercise. Of course, weigh
yourself nude or in the same dry clothes. Otherwise, you are simply
weighing all the water that your clothes soaked up.

And during exercise, follow this simple guideline: do not wait until
you are thirsty to drink.

> I have to go change it to continue with any machines or stretching I
> might want.

Smelly sweat might be indicative of a problem. Usually clothes and
sweat smell badly due to bacteria building-up. (Certain foods can
also affect body odor.) I choose clothes that wick sweat away from
the body.
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On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:36:11 -0500, "Steve Freides"
wrote:

>"Liam" wrote in message
>
>> Hi There
>>
>> I see guys sometimes wearing Garb. bags when doing cardio, does the
>> extra sweating help?
>> Is there any benefit whatsoever?
>
>It will make you sweat more, but you'll just drink it back later. The
>only purpose would be to make weight for a weigh-in. Generally
>speaking, you want to minimize, not maximize, water loss via sweating
>during exercise.
>
>

I'm 52, have been working out regularly for the last 7 years. I've
always sweated more than anyone I know. When I'm through with the
elliptical machine (after about 45 minutes, with at least 30 of those
minutes being in the 115-125 bpm range) my shirt is a soaking rag. I
have to go change it to continue with any machines or stretching I
might want.

I fill up a small Aqua Blue water bottle before I start, and don't
drink any until after I'm about 14 minutes into my workout. From
there on, I drink one swig every 5 minutes.

I'm curious Opinions as to whether I should cut back the intensity so
I don't sweat so much.

Rick
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wrote:

> I'm 52, have been working out regularly for the last 7 years. I've
> always sweated more than anyone I know. When I'm through with the
> elliptical machine (after about 45 minutes, with at least 30 of those
> minutes being in the 115-125 bpm range) my shirt is a soaking rag. I
> have to go change it to continue with any machines or stretching I
> might want.
>
> I fill up a small Aqua Blue water bottle before I start, and don't
> drink any until after I'm about 14 minutes into my workout. From
> there on, I drink one swig every 5 minutes.
>
> I'm curious Opinions as to whether I should cut back the intensity so
> I don't sweat so much.

Think nothing of it. Sweat is not a measure of intensity, or fitness,
or health, or age, or gender, or anything other than your genetic
makeup regarding how active your sweat glands are--one of your parents
probably sweats a lot under exertion, too. I know people who seem to
do little more than "glow" no matter how hard they're working, and
others who start dripping only a couple of minutes into a warmup.

Do think more of drinking more water during your workouts! You might
be shocked if you knew just how many ounces you sweat out during your
workouts, and dehydration can sneak up on you. It is never a good
thing.

--
Denise denise dot howard at comcast dot net
ACE and AFAA certified fitness instructor
AFAA step and kickboxing certified
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On Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:51:42 -0800, Denise Howard
wrote:

>In article ,
> wrote:
>
>> I'm 52, have been working out regularly for the last 7 years. I've
>> always sweated more than anyone I know. When I'm through with the
>> elliptical machine (after about 45 minutes, with at least 30 of those
>> minutes being in the 115-125 bpm range) my shirt is a soaking rag. I
>> have to go change it to continue with any machines or stretching I
>> might want.
>>
>> I fill up a small Aqua Blue water bottle before I start, and don't
>> drink any until after I'm about 14 minutes into my workout. From
>> there on, I drink one swig every 5 minutes.
>>
>> I'm curious Opinions as to whether I should cut back the intensity so
>> I don't sweat so much.
>
>Think nothing of it. Sweat is not a measure of intensity, or fitness,
>or health, or age, or gender, or anything other than your genetic
>makeup regarding how active your sweat glands are--one of your parents
>probably sweats a lot under exertion, too. I know people who seem to
>do little more than "glow" no matter how hard they're working, and
>others who start dripping only a couple of minutes into a warmup.

This is true. At least my palms don't sweat. Some people have their
sweat glands removed or reduced by surgery. Problem is, their palms
sweat. Not a good trade off in my book.

>Do think more of drinking more water during your workouts! You might
>be shocked if you knew just how many ounces you sweat out during your
>workouts, and dehydration can sneak up on you. It is never a good
>thing.

Ok, what I usually do is take a swig or two of water before I start.
Then like I said usually 2 after about 15 minutes, then 5 minutes
until I'm through with the elliptical. When I move to the weight
machines, I'm drinking more. Maybe I'm trying to make up? I don't
know.

It does seem to me, however, that I don't work out as intensely as
quickly if I drink more water earlier on in my workout. Seems I read
in a fitness book about drinking 1/4 cup of water after 15 minutes
(which is about what I do). But maybe this is outdated?

Of course, the flip side is the story I read recently about a woman
runner who drank way too much water, collapsed, and died.
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wrote:

> Ok, what I usually do is take a swig or two of water before I start.
> Then like I said usually 2 after about 15 minutes, then 5 minutes
> until I'm through with the elliptical. When I move to the weight
> machines, I'm drinking more. Maybe I'm trying to make up? I don't
> know.

Try this. Got a scale handy? Weigh yourself just before your workout,
and again just after your workout. Nude, so it's just you, not
sweat-laden clothes. The difference in your weights is the amount of
water you sweated out during your workout, that you didn't offset by
drinking. That's how much more you should be drinking to avoid
dehydration.

> Of course, the flip side is the story I read recently about a woman
> runner who drank way too much water, collapsed, and died.

That's because she was running a lot, and she needed electrolytes along
with the water. Electrolytes are what makes your sweat salty, and
they're also what helps your heart and muscles function. Electrolytes
(mostly potassium and sodium) need replenishing at some point, too,
otherwise bad things happen. But you don't need to worry about that,
you're just doing your regular workouts. Anything under 90 minutes or
so, you're fine with just water.

--
Denise denise dot howard at comcast dot net
ACE and AFAA certified fitness instructor
AFAA step and kickboxing certified
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On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:05:14 -0800, Denise Howard
wrote:

>In article ,
> wrote:
>
>> Ok, what I usually do is take a swig or two of water before I start.
>> Then like I said usually 2 after about 15 minutes, then 5 minutes
>> until I'm through with the elliptical. When I move to the weight
>> machines, I'm drinking more. Maybe I'm trying to make up? I don't
>> know.
>
>Try this. Got a scale handy? Weigh yourself just before your workout,
>and again just after your workout. Nude, so it's just you, not
>sweat-laden clothes. The difference in your weights is the amount of
>water you sweated out during your workout, that you didn't offset by
>drinking. That's how much more you should be drinking to avoid
>dehydration.

That sounds reasonable.

So how often and how much before, during and after exercising would
you recommend? And are you saying if I lose a pound in sweat I need
to be drinking 16 ounces of water? Is it basically an ounce for ounce
tradeoff, sweat vs. drinking water? Iis there any fats lost - or is
that reduction only later?

>
>> Of course, the flip side is the story I read recently about a woman
>> runner who drank way too much water, collapsed, and died.
>
>That's because she was running a lot, and she needed electrolytes along
>with the water. Electrolytes are what makes your sweat salty, and
>they're also what helps your heart and muscles function. Electrolytes
>(mostly potassium and sodium) need replenishing at some point, too,
>otherwise bad things happen. But you don't need to worry about that,
>you're just doing your regular workouts. Anything under 90 minutes or
>so, you're fine with just water.

I'd also read in an abs book that after a workout, you should eat
something within 30 minutes so that your muscles won't be as tired the
next day. I've always done that, but wonder if that's correct.
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On 6 Mar 2007 18:08:17 -0800, "joeu2004" wrote:

>On Mar 6, 5:23 pm, r....TakeThisOut@spamgmail.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 12:36:11 -0500, "Steve Freides"
>
>And during exercise, follow this simple guideline: do not wait until
>you are thirsty to drink.

That sounds reasonable.

>> I have to go change it to continue with any machines or stretching I
>> might want.
>
>Smelly sweat might be indicative of a problem. Usually clothes and
>sweat smell badly due to bacteria building-up. (Certain foods can
>also affect body odor.) I choose clothes that wick sweat away from
>the body.

I wear shorts that do that and they're great. I always wear a Russell
all cotton t-shirt, because I don't like the look of the other type,
although I'm open to change, especially if I could find them with
shirt pockets.
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wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:05:14 -0800, Denise Howard
> wrote:
>
> >Try this. Got a scale handy? Weigh yourself just before your workout,
> >and again just after your workout. Nude, so it's just you, not
> >sweat-laden clothes. The difference in your weights is the amount of
> >water you sweated out during your workout, that you didn't offset by
> >drinking. That's how much more you should be drinking to avoid
> >dehydration.
>
> That sounds reasonable.
>
> So how often and how much before, during and after exercising would
> you recommend?

There are no prescribed quantities. Just start drinking. If you drink
so much that you get queasy from the sloshing in your stomach, that's
too much at a time. If your urine is almost colorless, that's
perfect.

> And are you saying if I lose a pound in sweat I need
> to be drinking 16 ounces of water? Is it basically an ounce for ounce
> tradeoff, sweat vs. drinking water?

Yes.

> Iis there any fats lost - or is that reduction only later?

For your purposes, it's just water. The amount of fat loss from a
given workout is measured in units of energy (kcal), not units of
volume (cc's) or weight (grams).

> I'd also read in an abs book that after a workout, you should eat
> something within 30 minutes so that your muscles won't be as tired the
> next day. I've always done that, but wonder if that's correct.

Depends on how long and hard the workout is. Most folks work out for
anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes. They don't need to eat extra food
afterward, and in fact if the goal is fat loss, this can be
counterproductive because one may snack in more calories than were
burned out. Folks who are training for a competitive event often eat
something both before and after, but then they are training longer and
harder than the rest of us. They are careful about what that extra
food is, too.

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ACE and AFAA certified fitness instructor
AFAA step and kickboxing certified
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On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 09:16:10 -0800, Denise Howard
wrote:

>In article ,
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:05:14 -0800, Denise Howard
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Try this. Got a scale handy? Weigh yourself just before your workout,
>> >and again just after your workout. Nude, so it's just you, not
>> >sweat-laden clothes. The difference in your weights is the amount of
>> >water you sweated out during your workout, that you didn't offset by
>> >drinking. That's how much more you should be drinking to avoid
>> >dehydration.
>>
>> That sounds reasonable.
>>
>> So how often and how much before, during and after exercising would
>> you recommend?
>
>There are no prescribed quantities. Just start drinking. If you drink
>so much that you get queasy from the sloshing in your stomach, that's
>too much at a time. If your urine is almost colorless, that's
>perfect.
>

That sounds like a plan.

>Yes.
>
>> Iis there any fats lost - or is that reduction only later?
>
>For your purposes, it's just water. The amount of fat loss from a
>given workout is measured in units of energy (kcal), not units of
>volume (cc's) or weight (grams).

Ok.

>> I'd also read in an abs book that after a workout, you should eat
>> something within 30 minutes so that your muscles won't be as tired the
>> next day. I've always done that, but wonder if that's correct.
>
>Depends on how long and hard the workout is. Most folks work out for
>anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes. They don't need to eat extra food
>afterward, and in fact if the goal is fat loss, this can be
>counterproductive because one may snack in more calories than were
>burned out. Folks who are training for a competitive event often eat
>something both before and after, but then they are training longer and
>harder than the rest of us. They are careful about what that extra
>food is, too.

Aren't some foods burned off faster, though? For instance, I'd read
long ago in Prevention Magazine about the Peanut Butter Diet.
Something about the ingredients lend themselves to speeding up the
metabolism, or something. So my routine is usually this: drive home
from work, eat dinner, rest for about an hour, drive to gym. By the
time I get there it's about 8:15. I do the elliptical for about 45
minutes, then do the weight machines for about 30 minutes, then
stretch for about another 30. I drive home and eat an Eggo whole
wheat waffle toasted, and put some Laura Scudders natural peanut
butter in it, fold it up and eat it like a sandwich. I know the
peanut butter has 210 calories, and the waffle about 50, but wouldn't
my body be burning some of this off after having gone through the
above mentioned workout?

Rick
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> On Fri, 09 Mar 2007 09:16:10 -0800, Denise Howard
> wrote:
>
>>In article ,
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 09:05:14 -0800, Denise Howard
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Try this. Got a scale handy? Weigh yourself just before your
>>> >workout,
>>> >and again just after your workout. Nude, so it's just you, not
>>> >sweat-laden clothes. The difference in your weights is the amount
>>> >of
>>> >water you sweated out during your workout, that you didn't offset
>>> >by
>>> >drinking. That's how much more you should be drinking to avoid
>>> >dehydration.
>>>
>>> That sounds reasonable.
>>>
>>> So how often and how much before, during and after exercising would
>>> you recommend?
>>
>>There are no prescribed quantities. Just start drinking. If you
>>drink
>>so much that you get queasy from the sloshing in your stomach, that's
>>too much at a time. If your urine is almost colorless, that's
>>perfect.
>>
>
> That sounds like a plan.
>
>>Yes.
>>
>>> Iis there any fats lost - or is that reduction only later?
>>
>>For your purposes, it's just water. The amount of fat loss from a
>>given workout is measured in units of energy (kcal), not units of
>>volume (cc's) or weight (grams).
>
> Ok.
>
>>> I'd also read in an abs book that after a workout, you should eat
>>> something within 30 minutes so that your muscles won't be as tired
>>> the
>>> next day. I've always done that, but wonder if that's correct.
>>
>>Depends on how long and hard the workout is. Most folks work out for
>>anywhere from 30 to 60 minutes. They don't need to eat extra food
>>afterward, and in fact if the goal is fat loss, this can be
>>counterproductive because one may snack in more calories than were
>>burned out. Folks who are training for a competitive event often eat
>>something both before and after, but then they are training longer and
>>harder than the rest of us. They are careful about what that extra
>>food is, too.
>
> Aren't some foods burned off faster, though? For instance, I'd read
> long ago in Prevention Magazine about the Peanut Butter Diet.
> Something about the ingredients lend themselves to speeding up the
> metabolism, or something. So my routine is usually this: drive home
> from work, eat dinner, rest for about an hour, drive to gym. By the
> time I get there it's about 8:15. I do the elliptical for about 45
> minutes, then do the weight machines for about 30 minutes, then
> stretch for about another 30. I drive home and eat an Eggo whole
> wheat waffle toasted, and put some Laura Scudders natural peanut
> butter in it, fold it up and eat it like a sandwich. I know the
> peanut butter has 210 calories, and the waffle about 50, but wouldn't
> my body be burning some of this off after having gone through the
> above mentioned workout?

There's no consensus on this point. Basically it's always calories in
versus calories out. That's not to say that some foods can't help, of
course, e.g., I (and many others) find healthy fats very satisfying and
therefore helpful in reducing total calories. There's also some
evidence to suggest that certain kinds of exercise on an empty stomach
might help facilitate fat burning but, again, there's no universal
agreement on this point. Personally, I have found going through most of
my day without much in the way of food works very well for me. See
http://www.warriordiet.com for more on this approach, or Google
"intermittent fasting" for more reading.

Staying well hydrated is good for long-term health and weight, so it's
important to put back any water you sweat off during exercise.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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rick DeleteThis @spamgmail.com wrote:
>
> It does seem to me, however, that I don't work out as intensely as
> quickly if I drink more water earlier on in my workout. Seems I read
> in a fitness book about drinking 1/4 cup of water after 15 minutes
> (which is about what I do). But maybe this is outdated?

What I remember reading is that the body's maximum absorption rate is
typically about 1 liter/hour, or a quarter liter (8 oz) after 15
minutes. Any more than that is just sloshing inside. However, the
maximum perspiration rate can reach 3 liters/hour, which is why it's
important to hydrate sufficiently _before_ exercise. I've easily
finished 3 liters of water in my hydration pack during a single mountain
bike ride.

> Of course, the flip side is the story I read recently about a woman
> runner who drank way too much water, collapsed, and died.

Those cases of hyponatremia/water intoxication were the result of
drinking water without also replenishing the sodium that is lost through
sweat. People unaware of depleting electrolytes often drink water
_only_, thinking that's all you need, when in fact it makes the case
worse because the additional water only dilutes the body's electrolyte
concentrations further. Many of these incidents could have been
prevented by something as simple as eating a ham sandwich.

Keep in mind that these incidents tend to occur (a) after extreme
duration (several hour) activity (b) in hot and/or humid conditions
where sweating is profuse and (c) where victims drank excessive amounts
(5-20 liters) of water but did not commensurately replenish sodium
levels.

Most exercise-related incidents were things like military recruits on a
hike or ultramarathon runners, though not all cases were related to
exercise: the woman you mentioned could have been the one that died
after a water-drinking contest ("Hold Your Wee for a Wii") in Sacramento.

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