Warrior diet (is it possible?)

"Davide" <davideb_music RemoveThis @yahoo.it> wrote in message
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> Steve Freides ha scritto:
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>> "Davide" <davideb_music RemoveThis @yahoo.it> wrote in message
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>> > DZ ha scritto:
>> >
>> >> Davide <davideb_music RemoveThis @yahoo.it> wrote:
>> >> > DZ ha scritto:
>> >> >> Davide <davideb_music RemoveThis @yahoo.it> wrote:
>> >> >> > I'd like to know from someone who follows the Warrior diet
>> >> >> > while
>> >> >> > also being involved in physical exercises of any kind, how on
>> >> >> > earth
>> >> >> > can you follow this diet ?!
>> >> >>
> <snip>
>>
>> The eating approach I follow, which is the same as DZ, works well for
>> me. I'm very happy with my body composition. I have grown very
>> slowly
>> leaner and more muscular as the years have worn on. I maintain my
>> bodyweight by simply getting on the scale every morning - if I'm
>> gaining
>> weight, I eat less, and if I'm too light, I eat more.
>
> It's not that simple. How do you eat more?
> Do you just add a meal per night or do you just add foods to your
> meal?
> The second case is not always possible because there's a limit on the
> amount of food your stomach can hold in one sitting, so you can't just
> say "I will eat more food tonight" because your stomach won't allow
> you
> too
>
>> I do cycle my WD-style eating - I'm what you'd call a social eater,
>> and
>> on the weekends, I typically have a nice, big, carbohydrate-filled
>> brunch one or both days with my wife and kids, and just generally eat
>> whatever I want. During the week I eat less during the day, fewer
>> carbs
>> overall, and fewer total calories per day. Typically my weight is
>> highest on Monday mornings and lowest on Friday or Saturday but the
>> difference isn't much, maybe 3 lbs. or so.
>>
>> One thing I don't think gets mentioned enough in connection with this
>> style of eating - the body's dependence on regular feedings can, like
>> just about anything else about our bodies, be trained. Most people
>> who
>> try WD style eating and fail do so for the same reasons a new weight
>> lifter might fail - too much change too soon. I took my good old
>> time
>> about getting used to eating this way and looking back now, I'm glad
>> I
>> did.
>
> How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
> Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy
> thing
> to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
>
>> I'm 51 years old, 153 lbs. this morning, 5' 8" tall, and deadlifted
>> 364
>> lbs. in competition in the 148 lb. weight class and raw division of
>> the
>> AAU just last year, which is just shy of 2.5 times bodyweight, an
>> accomplishment I'm very proud of, even if John Hanson thinks it's no
>> big
>> deal.
>
> How many calories do you consume daily?
> So far I've seen a low caloric consumption linked to WD but what about
> 2500/3000 calories daily, how could someone consume so many calorie in
> a single sitting at night?
> Again, it's not a matter of will power, hunger, shortage of daily
> calories to me is a simple matter of bulk and size, no stomach can
> bear
> the amount of food necessary to get 2500/3000 calories in a sitting

OK, Davide, here's a food day in the life of a Freides and the exercise
as well - no clue about calories except for the protein bar:

11am - after working at my desk for a couple of hours, walked to
Starbucks with my somewhat overweight, definitely out of shape
82-year-old mother and had a medium vanilla latte with whipped cream.

Worked out at around noon. I'm in a back-off week so it was pretty
easy:

One-arm kb mil press: 70 lb. kettlebell, 2 singles each side
One-arm kb windmill, 53 lb. kettlebell, 5 reps each side
Two 25 lb. kb overhead squats x 4 reps, 5 reps (brutal exercise I'm just
starting out on, which is why the light weights),
DL: 275 (75% 1RM) x 4 on 2 inch platform, 275 x 4 on 3 inch platform.
One-arm kb swings, 53 lbs, 14 rep each side.

Remember, back-off week - took a few days off around the past weekend,
light/easy weights the last few days, will up the volume starting on the
weekend or next week. http://www.kbnj.com/log.htm for my full training
log for anyone bored with life, er, uh, interested in my training.

4pm - had one of those MetRX big protein bars - about 400 total
calories, 25-30 gr protein, 50 gr carb, if memory serves. Who says
they're only for bodybuilders? Also 16 oz of iced green tea (made at
home, brought with). Had been on job site since 2:00pm.

6pm - was still at a job site and knew I wouldn't be home for dinner, so
I took it with me. Two large, soft, whole-wheat tortillas rolled up
with sliced ham, lettuce, mayo. Figure another 25-30 gr of protein,
unknown carbs and fat.

Taught at YMCA lifeguard class from 8:00 to 9:30pm.

10pm - two organic (small) bananas in a bowl, a decent amount of
semi-sweet chocolate chips, microwave until the chocolate melts and the
bananas are cooked.

Lots of water throughout the day - a guess would be 3 liters. Also the
usual small pile of vitamins in the morning, a few more on the way home
in the car.

My protein target is one gram per kilogram of bodyweight, so 65-70 grams
per day, and I think I got about that.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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"JMW" <jmwilliams RemoveThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
> "Larry Hodges" <2larry2 RemoveThis @2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>>"JMW" <jmwilliams_56 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> David Cohen wrote:
>>>> "Davide" <davideb_music RemoveThis @yahoo.it> wrote
>>>> > JMW ha scritto:
>>>> >> "Davide" <davideb_music RemoveThis @yahoo.it> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
>>>> >> >Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy
>>>> >> >thing
>>>> >> >to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
>>>> >>
>>>> >> This is the source of your problem. You say, "How do you do this?"
>>>> >> Then you say, "You could do that, but I know that is bad." Except
>>>> >> you
>>>> >> are wrong.
>>>> >
>>>> > Well, I know that the stomach can be stretched but there's still a
>>>> > limit, I stand by my words that althought the stomach can be
>>>> > stretched
>>>> > it's impossible to consume 2500 calories in a sitting no matter how
>>>> > hungry or how much will power you have
>>>>
>>>> You're funny.
>>>>
>>>> Half the attendees at a Vegas all-you-can-eat buffet can eat 2500
>>>> calories
>>>> in a sitting.
>>>>
>>>> Two Mac Grandes, two large fries, and a small chocolate shake (I
>>>> wouldn't
>>>> want to be a piggie) would do it. I could eat that with both eyes tied
>>>> behind my back.
>>>
>>> A half-gallon of Moose Tracks ice cream. 3000 k/cal. Out of the
>>> carton, I can probably eat all of it before it melts.
>>
>>You mean you're not a Ben and Jerry's fan?
>
> You mean you contribute funds to Handgun Control, Inc.?

I thought those two left wing whackos had sold the company to a large
corporation.

David
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I'm very happy with my body composition. I have grown very slowly
>>> leaner and more muscular as the years have worn on. I maintain my
>>> bodyweight by simply getting on the scale every morning - if I'm gaining
>>> weight, I eat less, and if I'm too light, I eat more.
>>
>> It's not that simple. How do you eat more?

Not eating enough is a moral failure. I can't stand these skinny guys to lazy
to drink milkshakes. To gain weight, all they have to do is a few "pull ins",
my favorite exercise to gain weight: Assume the sitting postion, and pull
yourself in towards the table, and eat. Repeat as neccessary. Fast metabolism
my ass!
Don't they feel disgust when they look in a mirror? Those rolls of rib flesh
poking thru their chest...
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"JMW" <jmwilliams.DeleteThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
> "Davide" <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
>>David Cohen ha scritto:
>>> "Davide" <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote
>>> > JMW ha scritto:
>>> >> "Davide" <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
>>> >> >Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy
>>> >> >thing
>>> >> >to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
>>> >>
>>> >> This is the source of your problem. You say, "How do you do this?"
>>> >> Then you say, "You could do that, but I know that is bad." Except
>>> >> you
>>> >> are wrong.
>>> >
>>> > Well, I know that the stomach can be stretched but there's still a
>>> > limit, I stand by my words that althought the stomach can be stretched
>>> > it's impossible to consume 2500 calories in a sitting no matter how
>>> > hungry or how much will power you have
>>>
>>> You're funny.
>>>
>>> Half the attendees at a Vegas all-you-can-eat buffet can eat 2500
>>> calories
>>> in a sitting.
>>>
>>> Two Mac Grandes, two large fries, and a small chocolate shake (I
>>> wouldn't
>>> want to be a piggie) would do it. I could eat that with both eyes tied
>>> behind my back.
>>
>>Yes, that's why if you read my previous posts in this thread you will
>>see I pointed out I meant 2500 calories of non refined foods. As I said
>>a McDonald meal can easily provide 2000 calories, so I meant
>>exclusively meat, eggs, fish, veggies, legumes, cereals and fruits ...
>>the author even suggest to use oils sparingly
>
> Ah. The old refined/non-refined dichotomy. I assume, then, you
> prefer to eat your meat and fish raw?

Even if we accept what he thinks he means, let's substitute for the Evil McD
food, "organic, free range, pesticide free, not tested in rabbit eyes"
equivilants of meat, cheese, legumes, whole grains, olive oil, pure cane
sugar, etcetera. We still get over 2500 oh-so-healthy calories.

McTreehugger food.

David
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In article <6trp62hco2d7m2l5jstnlva17skovi7ssj.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
JMW <jmwilliams.TakeThisOut@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

>Ah. The old refined/non-refined dichotomy. I assume, then, you
>prefer to eat your meat and fish raw?

The fish, anyway.

Of course, the rice is cooked.

Seth
--
"There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate" -- Will Brink
Except sushi rice, seaweed, and wasabi.
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sethb DeleteThis @panix.com (Seth Breidbart) wrote:

>In article <6trp62hco2d7m2l5jstnlva17skovi7ssj DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
>JMW <jmwilliams DeleteThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
>>Ah. The old refined/non-refined dichotomy. I assume, then, you
>>prefer to eat your meat and fish raw?
>
>The fish, anyway.
>
>Of course, the rice is cooked.

Who needs rice?

But please, no octopus.
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JMW <jmwilliams.DeleteThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

> sethb.DeleteThis@panix.com (Seth Breidbart) wrote:
>
> >In article <6trp62hco2d7m2l5jstnlva17skovi7ssj.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
> >JMW <jmwilliams.DeleteThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Ah. The old refined/non-refined dichotomy. I assume, then, you
> >>prefer to eat your meat and fish raw?
> >
> >The fish, anyway.
> >
> >Of course, the rice is cooked.
>
> Who needs rice?
>
> But please, no octopus.

I'll take the octopus. Especially if it's baby octopus in that yummy
seaweed salad.

And a beer, please.
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dhrravr RemoveThis @ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:

>JMW <jmwilliams RemoveThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
>> sethb RemoveThis @panix.com (Seth Breidbart) wrote:
>>
>> >In article <6trp62hco2d7m2l5jstnlva17skovi7ssj RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
>> >JMW <jmwilliams RemoveThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Ah. The old refined/non-refined dichotomy. I assume, then, you
>> >>prefer to eat your meat and fish raw?
>> >
>> >The fish, anyway.
>> >
>> >Of course, the rice is cooked.
>>
>> Who needs rice?
>>
>> But please, no octopus.
>
>I'll take the octopus. Especially if it's baby octopus in that yummy
>seaweed salad.

Baby octopus deep fried = yummy

Adult tentacle cross-section raw = rubber grommet
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"Davide" <davideb_music.TakeThisOut@yahoo.it> wrote:
>
>DZ ha scritto:
>
>> Davide <davideb_music.TakeThisOut@yahoo.it> wrote:
>> > DZ ha scritto:
>> >> One thing I forgot to say - most optimal is to eat right after the
>> >> training.
>> >
>> > The problem is that I train on the morning, I don't think training at 9
>> > pm is that good or would allow you to train at your max potential
>>
>> I think you're wrong about that.
>
>Are you not tired after a whole days of mental and physical activities
>having been awake for more than 12 hours and almost approaching your
>sleeping time?

Aren't you personalizing this a bit too much? What about the fact
that plasma testosterone:cortisol ratio is highest at that time? If
you want some actual scientific conclusions on optimal exercise times
based on circadian rhythms, I would suggest you review this:

Deschenes MR, Kraemer WJ, Bush JA, Doughty TA, Kim D, Mullen KM,
Ramsey K. Biorhythmic influences on functional capacity of human
muscle and physiological responses. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 1998
Sep;30(9):1399-407.

Please note that they found 8:00 p.m. workouts to be quite favorable.
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JMW <jmwilliams RemoveThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

> dhrravr RemoveThis @ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and Jars) wrote:
> > JMW <jmwilliams RemoveThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> >> sethb RemoveThis @panix.com (Seth Breidbart) wrote:
> >> > JMW <jmwilliams RemoveThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Ah. The old refined/non-refined dichotomy. I assume, then, you
> >> >>prefer to eat your meat and fish raw?
> >> >
> >> >The fish, anyway.
> >> >
> >> >Of course, the rice is cooked.
> >>
> >> Who needs rice?
> >>
> >> But please, no octopus.
> >
> >I'll take the octopus. Especially if it's baby octopus in that yummy
> >seaweed salad.
>
> Baby octopus deep fried = yummy

Eh. Almost anything deep fried = yummy.

> Adult tentacle cross-section raw = rubber grommet

It's better in ceviche, but I like it raw as well. Chewy!
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"Davide" <davideb_music.RemoveThis@yahoo.it> wrote in message

> No, just facts
> Not even science, simple empirical evidence you can see with your own
> eyes ...
> Among the Kalahari Bushmen obesity, baldness, macular degeneration,
> acne, diabetes, hypertension are non-existent and yet they get as ill
> as anyone else when they more to a western country and adopt a western
> life style


The Kalahari Bushmen in their native environment have a life expectancy of
approximately 30 years. They generally don't live long enough to develop
many of the afflictions which are common in western society. It's not
because eating sandy roots is some sort of nutritional magic bullet.
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