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(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 5:03 pm
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"Davide" <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote:

>
>How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
>Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy thing
>to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either

This is the source of your problem. You say, "How do you do this?"
Then you say, "You could do that, but I know that is bad." Except you
are wrong.

When you stop making presumptions like that, you can learn something.

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(Msg. 17) Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 5:21 pm
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DZ ha scritto:

> Davide <davideb_music RemoveThis @yahoo.it> wrote:
> > DZ ha scritto:
> >> Davide <davideb_music RemoveThis @yahoo.it> wrote:
> >> > JMW ha scritto:
> >> >
> >> >> "Davide" <davideb_music RemoveThis @yahoo.it> wrote:
> >> >> >How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
> >> >> >Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy thing
> >> >> >to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
> >> >>
> >> >> This is the source of your problem. You say, "How do you do this?"
> >> >> Then you say, "You could do that, but I know that is bad." Except you
> >> >> are wrong.
> >> >
> >> > Well, I know that the stomach can be stretched but there's still a
> >> > limit, I stand by my words that althought the stomach can be stretched
> >> > it's impossible to consume 2500 calories in a sitting no matter how
> >> > hungry or how much will power you have
> >>
> >> Then eat less than 2500. You'll just stabilize at a lower weight. You
> >> may decide that you don't want a lower weight, but that's an entirely
> >> another matter. I don't eat past being hungry - it simply wouldn't
> >> make any sense from my point of view. I certainly don't stuff myself
> >> to the point of "stomach stretching".
> >
> > How can you stabilize at a lower weight?
> > I mean, you say like having less muscle to feed?
>
> If you reduce your current intake by say 200 cal you will end up at a
> lower but stable weight. Is that supposed to be a complicated concept?

If you have a BMR of 1800 calories plus 500 calories of activity and
you undereat by 300 calories what do you lose if your fat mass is
already in the single digit and your muscle mass is average and less
would just mean you end up wasted and gaunt?
Also a lower by 300 calories BMR means a lot lower weight
If you're already normal weight lowering your intake of 300 calories
till your BRM is in balance with your intake means literally starving
your body
If a lean person reduced his intake by 300 calories when he is
exercising and training it means the body will have to burn something
else for fuel: fat is already at its lowest so it will be muscles, I
don't think that is desirable or aestethically pleasant

> If you want numbers, this I believe was documented in Biosphere
> studies, with pretty graphs.
>
> > But 2500 is not much, it's a very normal caloric intake for someone who
> > is active
>
> Okinawan males consume 1900 daily on average
> General Japanese male population consume 2300

They're shorter on average too and so weight less and have to consume
less
How tall are you? (if you don't mind me asking)

> Sumo wrestlers consume 5500
> (PMID: 16046282)
>
> > Stabilizing at a lower weight would just mean wasting your muscle and
> > still being in a steady caloric deficiency. All the people I know who
> > underate never stabilized at a lower weight because of this but keps
> > losing weight even when they're were just skin and bones

> This just doesn't make any sense.

Yes because if you calculate your caloric intake to maintain you
already BF on the single digit and average muscular lean body if you
consume less you will just become overweight you will waste muscles but
the weight needs to goes down a lot before the new due to the new
weight BMR suits the reduced caloric intake, there's all the time to
waste most of your muscle and become like a 40 days starving castaway

> > How many calories do you consume daily?
> > How many calories you believe you can consume in one sitting?
> > Do you have just one meal or also a second meal?
>
> One time in the evening, or I might split it into two ("before" and
> "after" gym), but both times in the evening. I don't calculate
> calories but if you're REALLY interested, I might go ahead and do it.

Yes, I would really appreciate it if you could figure out your actual
caloric intake and whether it suits your BRM and activity factor


> BTW I don't have a militant attitude about any of that. If there is a
> social occasion that calls for attending lunch or even breakfast, I'm
> not going to announce my peculiar habits.

Thanks
Davide

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(Msg. 18) Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 5:22 pm
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David Cohen wrote:
> "Davide" <davideb_music.RemoveThis@yahoo.it> wrote
> > JMW ha scritto:
> >> "Davide" <davideb_music.RemoveThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
> >>
> >> >How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
> >> >Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy thing
> >> >to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
> >>
> >> This is the source of your problem. You say, "How do you do this?"
> >> Then you say, "You could do that, but I know that is bad." Except you
> >> are wrong.
> >
> > Well, I know that the stomach can be stretched but there's still a
> > limit, I stand by my words that althought the stomach can be stretched
> > it's impossible to consume 2500 calories in a sitting no matter how
> > hungry or how much will power you have
>
> You're funny.
>
> Half the attendees at a Vegas all-you-can-eat buffet can eat 2500 calories
> in a sitting.
>
> Two Mac Grandes, two large fries, and a small chocolate shake (I wouldn't
> want to be a piggie) would do it. I could eat that with both eyes tied
> behind my back.

A half-gallon of Moose Tracks ice cream. 3000 k/cal. Out of the
carton, I can probably eat all of it before it melts.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 5:34 pm
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David Cohen ha scritto:

> "Davide" <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote
> > JMW ha scritto:
> >> "Davide" <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
> >>
> >> >How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
> >> >Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy thing
> >> >to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
> >>
> >> This is the source of your problem. You say, "How do you do this?"
> >> Then you say, "You could do that, but I know that is bad." Except you
> >> are wrong.
> >
> > Well, I know that the stomach can be stretched but there's still a
> > limit, I stand by my words that althought the stomach can be stretched
> > it's impossible to consume 2500 calories in a sitting no matter how
> > hungry or how much will power you have
>
> You're funny.
>
> Half the attendees at a Vegas all-you-can-eat buffet can eat 2500 calories
> in a sitting.
>
> Two Mac Grandes, two large fries, and a small chocolate shake (I wouldn't
> want to be a piggie) would do it. I could eat that with both eyes tied
> behind my back.

Yes, that's why if you read my previous posts in this thread you will
see I pointed out I meant 2500 calories of non refined foods. As I said
a McDonald meal can easily provide 2000 calories, so I meant
exclusively meat, eggs, fish, veggies, legumes, cereals and fruits ...
the author even suggest to use oils sparingly

Davide
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:09 pm
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"JMW" <jmwilliams_56 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> David Cohen wrote:
>> "Davide" <davideb_music DeleteThis @yahoo.it> wrote
>> > JMW ha scritto:
>> >> "Davide" <davideb_music DeleteThis @yahoo.it> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
>> >> >Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy
>> >> >thing
>> >> >to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
>> >>
>> >> This is the source of your problem. You say, "How do you do this?"
>> >> Then you say, "You could do that, but I know that is bad." Except you
>> >> are wrong.
>> >
>> > Well, I know that the stomach can be stretched but there's still a
>> > limit, I stand by my words that althought the stomach can be stretched
>> > it's impossible to consume 2500 calories in a sitting no matter how
>> > hungry or how much will power you have
>>
>> You're funny.
>>
>> Half the attendees at a Vegas all-you-can-eat buffet can eat 2500
>> calories
>> in a sitting.
>>
>> Two Mac Grandes, two large fries, and a small chocolate shake (I wouldn't
>> want to be a piggie) would do it. I could eat that with both eyes tied
>> behind my back.
>
> A half-gallon of Moose Tracks ice cream. 3000 k/cal. Out of the
> carton, I can probably eat all of it before it melts.

You mean you're not a Ben and Jerry's fan?
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:37 pm
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"Davide" <davideb_music.RemoveThis@yahoo.it> wrote in message
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>
> Steve Freides ha scritto:
>
>> "Davide" <davideb_music.RemoveThis@yahoo.it> wrote in message
>> news:1147945389.191562.202660@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > DZ ha scritto:
>> >
>> >> Davide <davideb_music.RemoveThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
>> >> > DZ ha scritto:
>> >> >> Davide <davideb_music.RemoveThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
>> >> >> > I'd like to know from someone who follows the Warrior diet while
>> >> >> > also being involved in physical exercises of any kind, how on
>> >> >> > earth
>> >> >> > can you follow this diet ?!
>> >> >>
> <snip>
>>
>> The eating approach I follow, which is the same as DZ, works well for
>> me. I'm very happy with my body composition. I have grown very slowly
>> leaner and more muscular as the years have worn on. I maintain my
>> bodyweight by simply getting on the scale every morning - if I'm gaining
>> weight, I eat less, and if I'm too light, I eat more.
>
> It's not that simple. How do you eat more?
> Do you just add a meal per night or do you just add foods to your meal?
> The second case is not always possible because there's a limit on the
> amount of food your stomach can hold in one sitting, so you can't just
> say "I will eat more food tonight" because your stomach won't allow you
> too
>
>> I do cycle my WD-style eating - I'm what you'd call a social eater, and
>> on the weekends, I typically have a nice, big, carbohydrate-filled
>> brunch one or both days with my wife and kids, and just generally eat
>> whatever I want. During the week I eat less during the day, fewer carbs
>> overall, and fewer total calories per day. Typically my weight is
>> highest on Monday mornings and lowest on Friday or Saturday but the
>> difference isn't much, maybe 3 lbs. or so.
>>
>> One thing I don't think gets mentioned enough in connection with this
>> style of eating - the body's dependence on regular feedings can, like
>> just about anything else about our bodies, be trained. Most people who
>> try WD style eating and fail do so for the same reasons a new weight
>> lifter might fail - too much change too soon. I took my good old time
>> about getting used to eating this way and looking back now, I'm glad I
>> did.
>
> How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
> Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy thing
> to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either

May I humbly suggest you try reading the Warrior Diet book? If you'd like
to buy it and have me make a commission, you can use this link:
http://www.kbnj.com/wd.htm - one of the things those of us who eat like this
do is, if we're hungry a couple of hours after dinner, we just eat again.
It's not all that hard to figure out. The WD model isn't one meal per day,
it's most of the day undereating and a period of time in the evening
overeating. Please also note that neither is it a strict fast during the
day. The concept, as I tried to suggest earlier, is cycling your food
consumption. Eat little or nothing, then eat a lot.

>> I'm 51 years old, 153 lbs. this morning, 5' 8" tall, and deadlifted 364
>> lbs. in competition in the 148 lb. weight class and raw division of the
>> AAU just last year, which is just shy of 2.5 times bodyweight, an
>> accomplishment I'm very proud of, even if John Hanson thinks it's no big
>> deal. Smile
>
> How many calories do you consume daily?

I haven't a clue.

> So far I've seen a low caloric consumption linked to WD but what about
> 2500/3000 calories daily, how could someone consume so many calorie in
> a single sitting at night?

See above - it's not a single sitting necessarily.

> Again, it's not a matter of will power, hunger, shortage of daily
> calories to me is a simple matter of bulk and size, no stomach can bear
> the amount of food necessary to get 2500/3000 calories in a sitting

I can eat, at a single sitting, more than most people, even given my small
size. It's not all about will power, either - you do get used to this
approach and you come to like it, at least I did. I truly value what I feel
like during the undereating period, and likewise like feeling full and
relaxed in the evenings.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


> Thanks
> Davide
>
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 6:58 pm
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JMW ha scritto:

> "Davide" <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
> >
> >David Cohen ha scritto:
> >
> >> "Davide" <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote
> >> > JMW ha scritto:
> >> >> "Davide" <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
> >> >> >Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy thing
> >> >> >to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
> >> >>
> >> >> This is the source of your problem. You say, "How do you do this?"
> >> >> Then you say, "You could do that, but I know that is bad." Except you
> >> >> are wrong.
> >> >
> >> > Well, I know that the stomach can be stretched but there's still a
> >> > limit, I stand by my words that althought the stomach can be stretched
> >> > it's impossible to consume 2500 calories in a sitting no matter how
> >> > hungry or how much will power you have
> >>
> >> You're funny.
> >>
> >> Half the attendees at a Vegas all-you-can-eat buffet can eat 2500 calories
> >> in a sitting.
> >>
> >> Two Mac Grandes, two large fries, and a small chocolate shake (I wouldn't
> >> want to be a piggie) would do it. I could eat that with both eyes tied
> >> behind my back.
> >
> >Yes, that's why if you read my previous posts in this thread you will
> >see I pointed out I meant 2500 calories of non refined foods. As I said
> >a McDonald meal can easily provide 2000 calories, so I meant
> >exclusively meat, eggs, fish, veggies, legumes, cereals and fruits ...
> >the author even suggest to use oils sparingly
>
> Ah. The old refined/non-refined dichotomy. I assume, then, you
> prefer to eat your meat and fish raw?

No, just whole cereals over refined blood-sugar-roller-coaster white
carbohydrates, just boiled potatoes over cancerogenic acrylamide-rich
fast food french fries, just fatty foods over rancid and free radicals
producing oils, just whole fruits over insulin-kicking bottled sugared
juices ...

Davide
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:06 pm
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"Davide" <davideb_music.TakeThisOut@yahoo.it> wrote:
>
>David Cohen ha scritto:
>
>> "Davide" <davideb_music.TakeThisOut@yahoo.it> wrote
>> > JMW ha scritto:
>> >> "Davide" <davideb_music.TakeThisOut@yahoo.it> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
>> >> >Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy thing
>> >> >to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
>> >>
>> >> This is the source of your problem. You say, "How do you do this?"
>> >> Then you say, "You could do that, but I know that is bad." Except you
>> >> are wrong.
>> >
>> > Well, I know that the stomach can be stretched but there's still a
>> > limit, I stand by my words that althought the stomach can be stretched
>> > it's impossible to consume 2500 calories in a sitting no matter how
>> > hungry or how much will power you have
>>
>> You're funny.
>>
>> Half the attendees at a Vegas all-you-can-eat buffet can eat 2500 calories
>> in a sitting.
>>
>> Two Mac Grandes, two large fries, and a small chocolate shake (I wouldn't
>> want to be a piggie) would do it. I could eat that with both eyes tied
>> behind my back.
>
>Yes, that's why if you read my previous posts in this thread you will
>see I pointed out I meant 2500 calories of non refined foods. As I said
>a McDonald meal can easily provide 2000 calories, so I meant
>exclusively meat, eggs, fish, veggies, legumes, cereals and fruits ...
>the author even suggest to use oils sparingly

Ah. The old refined/non-refined dichotomy. I assume, then, you
prefer to eat your meat and fish raw?
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 9:23 pm
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"Larry Hodges" <2larry2.DeleteThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>"JMW" <jmwilliams_56.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> David Cohen wrote:
>>> "Davide" <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote
>>> > JMW ha scritto:
>>> >> "Davide" <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
>>> >> >Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy
>>> >> >thing
>>> >> >to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
>>> >>
>>> >> This is the source of your problem. You say, "How do you do this?"
>>> >> Then you say, "You could do that, but I know that is bad." Except you
>>> >> are wrong.
>>> >
>>> > Well, I know that the stomach can be stretched but there's still a
>>> > limit, I stand by my words that althought the stomach can be stretched
>>> > it's impossible to consume 2500 calories in a sitting no matter how
>>> > hungry or how much will power you have
>>>
>>> You're funny.
>>>
>>> Half the attendees at a Vegas all-you-can-eat buffet can eat 2500
>>> calories
>>> in a sitting.
>>>
>>> Two Mac Grandes, two large fries, and a small chocolate shake (I wouldn't
>>> want to be a piggie) would do it. I could eat that with both eyes tied
>>> behind my back.
>>
>> A half-gallon of Moose Tracks ice cream. 3000 k/cal. Out of the
>> carton, I can probably eat all of it before it melts.
>
>You mean you're not a Ben and Jerry's fan?

You mean you contribute funds to Handgun Control, Inc.?
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OKay, solved the video problem ... thanks

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(Msg. 27) Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 10:38 pm
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"Davide" <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote
> JMW ha scritto:
>> "Davide" <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
>>
>> >How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
>> >Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy thing
>> >to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
>>
>> This is the source of your problem. You say, "How do you do this?"
>> Then you say, "You could do that, but I know that is bad." Except you
>> are wrong.
>
> Well, I know that the stomach can be stretched but there's still a
> limit, I stand by my words that althought the stomach can be stretched
> it's impossible to consume 2500 calories in a sitting no matter how
> hungry or how much will power you have

You're funny.

Half the attendees at a Vegas all-you-can-eat buffet can eat 2500 calories
in a sitting.

Two Mac Grandes, two large fries, and a small chocolate shake (I wouldn't
want to be a piggie) would do it. I could eat that with both eyes tied
behind my back.

David
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Thu May 18, 2006 11:33 pm
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"Davide" <davideb_music.RemoveThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
>
>JMW ha scritto:
>
>> "Davide" <davideb_music.RemoveThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
>> >
>> >David Cohen ha scritto:
>> >
>> >> "Davide" <davideb_music.RemoveThis@yahoo.it> wrote
>> >> > JMW ha scritto:
>> >> >> "Davide" <davideb_music.RemoveThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
>> >> >> >Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy thing
>> >> >> >to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This is the source of your problem. You say, "How do you do this?"
>> >> >> Then you say, "You could do that, but I know that is bad." Except you
>> >> >> are wrong.
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, I know that the stomach can be stretched but there's still a
>> >> > limit, I stand by my words that althought the stomach can be stretched
>> >> > it's impossible to consume 2500 calories in a sitting no matter how
>> >> > hungry or how much will power you have
>> >>
>> >> You're funny.
>> >>
>> >> Half the attendees at a Vegas all-you-can-eat buffet can eat 2500 calories
>> >> in a sitting.
>> >>
>> >> Two Mac Grandes, two large fries, and a small chocolate shake (I wouldn't
>> >> want to be a piggie) would do it. I could eat that with both eyes tied
>> >> behind my back.
>> >
>> >Yes, that's why if you read my previous posts in this thread you will
>> >see I pointed out I meant 2500 calories of non refined foods. As I said
>> >a McDonald meal can easily provide 2000 calories, so I meant
>> >exclusively meat, eggs, fish, veggies, legumes, cereals and fruits ...
>> >the author even suggest to use oils sparingly
>>
>> Ah. The old refined/non-refined dichotomy. I assume, then, you
>> prefer to eat your meat and fish raw?
>
>No, just whole cereals over refined blood-sugar-roller-coaster white
>carbohydrates, just boiled potatoes over cancerogenic acrylamide-rich
>fast food french fries,

Hmmm ... boiled potatoes are white, and less the water, about 80%
carbohydrate by weight. You said you didn't eat white carbohydrates,
and yet you contradict yourself in the next phrase.

>just fatty foods over rancid and free radicals producing oils

So saturated, monounsaturated, and polyunsaturated fats, as well as
essential fat acids, make no difference? Just as long as the fats are
"naturally" in the food instead of separated out into an oil, right?

>just whole fruits over insulin-kicking bottled sugared juices ...

Which whole fruits? Does glucose:frustose ratio make a difference to
you, or is a whole fruit always superior to a juice? If so, why?
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On Thu, 18 May 2006 19:38:48 GMT, "David Cohen"
<sammiesdad RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:

>Two Mac Grandes, two large fries, and a small chocolate shake (I wouldn't
>want to be a piggie) would do it. I could eat that with both eyes tied
>behind my back.

Innit.

The chocolate shake reminds me that some or most people find it easier
to consume liquid calories if feeling too full, too soon is the
problem.

I bet you could get 1,000 cals into a protein shake fairly easily if
you chuck some other goodies in there (milk / yoghurt / eggs /
whatever...hell even ice cream maybe. Doubt you'd feel that full
either. Follow that up with some decent solid food and you'd be on
your way.

Ellis
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