Warrior diet (is it possible?)

DZ ha scritto:

> Davide <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
> > I'd like to know from someone who follows the Warrior diet while
> > also being involved in physical exercises of any kind, how on earth
> > can you follow this diet ?!
> ...
>
> If you are wondering about the optimal diet for competing athletes,
> who try to gain edge whatever legal means, then your concerns may be
> valid. If you have in mind overall fitness, and don't care if you
> won't achieve all 100% of your athletic potential, then these concerns
> are exaggerated, in terms of needed calories and especially the amount
> of protein.
>
> I suppose by the Warrior diet you mean eating only at night - that's
> what I do. The name "Warrior" is far too corny and pretentious though,
> so I wouldn't adopt it.

Okay, I agree that the "esoteric" side should be separated from the
health and diet so let's just call it eating at night instead of the
day.
But I wonder are you trying to lose, mantain or gain weight?
I can understand how this diet works for weight loss since you undereat
at night but what about maintenance? Someone mentioned to me that the
author of the diet looks gaunt and wasted like someone who is starving
and while I don't care for anecdotal rumors like that it may mean
something

Let's say you're trying to maintain your weight, that you've reached
your perfect weight and you have no more fat to lose. Chances are you
might need at least 2000 calories daily even more if you're tall and
train everyday
Let's say 2500 calories day. You eat vegetables and drink veggie juices
on the morning and when it's night you must consume 2500 calories in a
sitting, now I may believe that your hunger will allow you to eat that
much but your stomach won't

If we calculate how much food is needed to get 2500 calories in term of
mere bulk it's a lot more than what my or your stomach can hold. That's
why I wonder how don't starve while eating just one big meal at night

Thanks
Davide
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DZ ha scritto:

> Davide <davideb_music RemoveThis @yahoo.it> wrote:
> > DZ ha scritto:
> >> Davide <davideb_music RemoveThis @yahoo.it> wrote:
> >> > I'd like to know from someone who follows the Warrior diet while
> >> > also being involved in physical exercises of any kind, how on earth
> >> > can you follow this diet ?!
> >>
> >> If you are wondering about the optimal diet for competing athletes,
> >> who try to gain edge whatever legal means, then your concerns may be
> >> valid. If you have in mind overall fitness, and don't care if you
> >> won't achieve all 100% of your athletic potential, then these concerns
> >> are exaggerated, in terms of needed calories and especially the amount
[> >> of protein.
> >>
> >> I suppose by the Warrior diet you mean eating only at night - that's
> >> what I do. The name "Warrior" is far too corny and pretentious though,
> >> so I wouldn't adopt it.
> >
> > Okay, I agree that the "esoteric" side should be separated from the
> > health and diet so let's just call it eating at night instead of the
> > day. But I wonder are you trying to lose, mantain or gain weight?
>
> My weight is stable, but higher than what it would be if I weren't
> training.
>
> > I can understand how this diet works for weight loss since you
> > undereat at night but what about maintenance? Someone mentioned to
> > me that the author of the diet looks gaunt and wasted like someone
> > who is starving
>
> You can see that I didn't end up looking gaunt and wasted from the
> clip in my previous post.

So, why do you think the author got wasted and gaunt
Does it mean that the diet may work for smaller people that requires
less calories or that it can't be continued indefinitely?

What about then cycling?
Like 1 week of warrior diet out of 4 weeks, the other three just normal
more meals a day?
Or two weeks out of 4
Would that provide the beneficials of alternate fasting seen on
longevity studies while also taking care of the problem of not getting
enough calorie all in all?


> > I may believe that your hunger will allow you to eat that much but
> > your stomach won't
>
> By the time stomach tells me to stop, I'm past being hungry. That's
> all there is to it.

Exactly, and I'm sure that when you're past hungry you still haven't
consumed enough calories or the calories that you need and would have
consumed if you had instead consumed more meals

>There is one way to find if it works for you - try
> and see if you lose too much weight or become too hungry during the
> day. There are adaptations that take place during intermittent fasting
> including more efficient utilization of protein.
>
> One thing I forgot to say - most optimal is to eat right after the
> training.

The problem is that I train on the morning, I don't think training at 9
pm is that good or would allow you to train at your max potential

> You can also try to have something easily digestible, perhaps a
> protein shake right before the training if you worry about not being
> able to squeeze in those extra calories (just how much extra calories
> per training session do you intend to spend?). Then eat the rest of
> the food when you come back home from the gym.

So, this is how my Warrior days were:

Didn't eat nothing except vegetable juices and miso soup and vegetable
broth till 8 pm without hunger.

At 8 pm I began my big meal with a small salad, then three eggs and
half a big avocado
This was a typical meal and nowhere as big as it would have
theoretically supposed to be
90 minutes later I would eat 150 grams of whole pasta with half pack of
cottage cheese
That's it: sunk !
I couldn't eat anything more:

194 calories, 16 grams protein
150 calories, 3 grams of protein
103 calories, 12 grams of protein
400 calories, 20 grams of protein
200 calories - oils

This is indeed 1000 calories and 51 grams of proteins and it's starving
big time for everyone let alone someone who exercises. Even for women
on diet that shouldn't IMO go below 20% of their BMR when dieting would
consume at least 1200 calories when they're trying to lose a lot of
weight
This suits the menus I've seen: even people who say they eat a lot on
the warrior diet rarely exceed 1000 calories in their two night meals
unless they introduce caloric dense junk food in the diet and it's no
wonder they're losing weight.

If you cook all those 1000 calories and put them on the table you will
see is an awful lot of food and you may wonder how all that food will
ever suits the fist size of your small stomach. So those 1000 calories
where even more than my stomach could normally handle, just figure what
is they were more than that

What do you eat usually?
Can you tell me exactly each food and how much you eat and within how
many meals and what time of the day?


> As far as the increased protein needs, I'll post it again:
>
> Resistance training
> ----------------------------
> "In highly trained powerlifters and bodybuilders, in whom muscle mass
> is high but stable, it is unlikely that their dietary protein
> requirements are elevated much more than those of a sedentary person";
> and "All things considered, it is abundantly clear that any protein
> requirement set for strength-training athletes is of little relevance"
> (http://tinyurl.com/3jurp ; PMID: 15212752)
>
> Endurance training
> ---------------------------
> "It appears that low- and moderate-intensity endurance exercise does
> not affect dietary protein requirements... For the well- trained
> endurance athlete training 4 to 5 d/wk for longer than 60 min, there
> appears to be a very modest increase in dietary protein requirements"
> (http://tinyurl.com/3qafz ; PMID: 15212749)


"Although contrary to traditional belief, recent scientific information
collected on physically active individuals tends to indicate that
regular exercise increases daily protein requirements; however, the
precise details remain to be worked out. Based on laboratory measures,
daily protein requirements are increased by perhaps as much as 100% vs.
recommendations for sedentary individuals (1.6-1.8 vs. 0.8 g/kg). Yet
even these intakes are much less than those reported by most athletes.
This may mean that actual requirements are below what is needed to
optimize athletic performance, and so the debate continues. Numerous
interacting factors including energy intake, carbohydrate availability,
exercise intensity, duration and type, dietary protein quality,
training history, gender, age, timing of nutrient intake and the like
make this topic extremely complex"
[PMID: 11023001]

"This paper reviews the factors (exercise intensity, carbohydrate
availability, exercise type, energy balance, gender, exercise training,
age, and timing of nutrient intake or subsequent exercise sessions)
thought to influence protein need. Although there remains some debate,
recent evidence suggests that dietary protein need increases with
rigorous physical exercise. Those involved in strength training might
need to consume as much as 1.6 to 1.7 g protein x kg(-1) x day(-1)
(approximately twice the current RDA) while those undergoing endurance
training might need about 1.2 to 1.6 g x kg(-1) x day(-1)
(approximately 1.5 times the current RDA). Future longitudinal studies
are needed to confirm these recommendations and asses whether these
protein intakes can enhance exercise performance. Despite the
frequently expressed concern about adverse effects of high protein
intake, there is no evidence that protein intakes in the range
suggested will have adverse effects in healthy individuals."
[PMID: 9841962]

"In summary, protein requirements for athletes performing strength
training are greater than for sedentary individuals and are above
current Canadian and US recommended daily protein intake requirements
for young healthy males."
[PMID: 1474076]

I'm not saying there is a need for consuming huge amount of protein
They're right with that: there's no need for more protein than the RDA
suggests for building the extra muscle mass, muscle is mostly water and
the protein required to build the maximum amount of muscle that can be
put on in a week is already covered by the RDA

But when you look at the overall nitrogen balance though you see that
there are conditions which raise the amount of protein needed to remain
a nitrogen balance
The reason is that other things affect the nitrogen balance and the
need for more protein, for example exercises increases protein turnover
and the body keep using proteins as a substrate during exercise no
fatter how much fat you have to burn instead or how much glycogen and
glucose you could provide to the body.
For example when dieting the amount of protein needed to maintain
nitrogen balance goes up and if you're a beginner it goes up a lot
If face both the papers you cited and the ones I cited agree that
there's slightly increased need for protein. If you consider that there
are bodybuilders consuming 300 grams of protein in a sitting you can
see we both agree on this.
A good amount to be sure to remain in nitrogen balance is IMO 1g/pound
or else 0.80/pound.

Davide
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WillBrink ha scritto:

> In article <14948.TakeThisOut@456017527.2470131498.9661.6896.25842>,
> DZ <6770.TakeThisOut@2518515264.922427059.16447.12592.18264> wrote:
>
> > Larry Hodges <2larry2.TakeThisOut@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
> > > Cue Steve's religious soap box sermon. And before you take his
> > > advice, ask him how much he weighs.
> > >
> > > What do I think? The word "stupid" comes to mind. Listen, the guys
> > > who follow this do it as almost a cultish thing. Any science based
> > > nutrition advice will tell you it's stupid as well.
> >
> > Steve may speak for himself. My weight on such diet have been 170 to
> > 180 lb with body fat below 7%. There is solid scientific support for
> > intermittent fasting being health promoting.
>
> I have not read such research. Would like to read some however. Can you
> direct me to the studies you feel support fasting? I'm not convinced
> fasting is helpful or needed.

I think there only studied on primates which supposedly apply to humans
too
Otherwise there's just the kind of dated licterature of physicians that
empirically helped people heal their ailments with fasting, althought
they may have been misinterpreted the reason why since they didn't have
the knowledge we have today: I'm talking about Dr Shelton, Dr Mosseri,
Dr Gian Cursio

The only updated and scientific body of work is a book by the physician
Joel Fuhrman which is filled with scientific references as well as the
information on his clinical practice with fasting

http://tinyurl.com/pkfwa

Dr Fuhrman is very scientific in his metodology, for example he does
point out the correlation between choleresterol levels and heart
disease. As we know the correlation is just a theory and the
cholesterol friendly theory is that indeed there are cholesterola
plaques in the arteries when there's heart disease because cholesterol
is there to healing the arterial lesions ... we will never know ....
but the correlation is there, under of studied shows it and Fuhrman
books are always full of references

So despire certain ideas that you won't agree about, because you
interpret those studies in a different ways than he does, he still
known his science and the empirical fact alone of the effect of fasting
on human health can't be overlooked either

Davide
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In article <14948.RemoveThis@456017527.2470131498.9661.6896.25842>,
DZ <6770.RemoveThis@2518515264.922427059.16447.12592.18264> wrote:

> Larry Hodges <2larry2.RemoveThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
> > Cue Steve's religious soap box sermon. And before you take his
> > advice, ask him how much he weighs.
> >
> > What do I think? The word "stupid" comes to mind. Listen, the guys
> > who follow this do it as almost a cultish thing. Any science based
> > nutrition advice will tell you it's stupid as well.
>
> Steve may speak for himself. My weight on such diet have been 170 to
> 180 lb with body fat below 7%. There is solid scientific support for
> intermittent fasting being health promoting.

I have not read such research. Would like to read some however. Can you
direct me to the studies you feel support fasting? I'm not convinced
fasting is helpful or needed.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/
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Steve Freides ha scritto:

> "Davide" <davideb_music.RemoveThis@yahoo.it> wrote in message
> news:1147945389.191562.202660@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > DZ ha scritto:
> >
> >> Davide <davideb_music.RemoveThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
> >> > DZ ha scritto:
> >> >> Davide <davideb_music.RemoveThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
> >> >> > I'd like to know from someone who follows the Warrior diet while
> >> >> > also being involved in physical exercises of any kind, how on
> >> >> > earth
> >> >> > can you follow this diet ?!
> >> >>
<snip>
>
> The eating approach I follow, which is the same as DZ, works well for
> me. I'm very happy with my body composition. I have grown very slowly
> leaner and more muscular as the years have worn on. I maintain my
> bodyweight by simply getting on the scale every morning - if I'm gaining
> weight, I eat less, and if I'm too light, I eat more.

It's not that simple. How do you eat more?
Do you just add a meal per night or do you just add foods to your meal?
The second case is not always possible because there's a limit on the
amount of food your stomach can hold in one sitting, so you can't just
say "I will eat more food tonight" because your stomach won't allow you
too

> I do cycle my WD-style eating - I'm what you'd call a social eater, and
> on the weekends, I typically have a nice, big, carbohydrate-filled
> brunch one or both days with my wife and kids, and just generally eat
> whatever I want. During the week I eat less during the day, fewer carbs
> overall, and fewer total calories per day. Typically my weight is
> highest on Monday mornings and lowest on Friday or Saturday but the
> difference isn't much, maybe 3 lbs. or so.
>
> One thing I don't think gets mentioned enough in connection with this
> style of eating - the body's dependence on regular feedings can, like
> just about anything else about our bodies, be trained. Most people who
> try WD style eating and fail do so for the same reasons a new weight
> lifter might fail - too much change too soon. I took my good old time
> about getting used to eating this way and looking back now, I'm glad I
> did.

How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy thing
to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either

> I'm 51 years old, 153 lbs. this morning, 5' 8" tall, and deadlifted 364
> lbs. in competition in the 148 lb. weight class and raw division of the
> AAU just last year, which is just shy of 2.5 times bodyweight, an
> accomplishment I'm very proud of, even if John Hanson thinks it's no big
> deal.

How many calories do you consume daily?
So far I've seen a low caloric consumption linked to WD but what about
2500/3000 calories daily, how could someone consume so many calorie in
a single sitting at night?
Again, it's not a matter of will power, hunger, shortage of daily
calories to me is a simple matter of bulk and size, no stomach can bear
the amount of food necessary to get 2500/3000 calories in a sitting

Thanks
Davide
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JMW ha scritto:

> "Davide" <davideb_music.TakeThisOut@yahoo.it> wrote:
>
> >
> >How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
> >Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy thing
> >to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
>
> This is the source of your problem. You say, "How do you do this?"
> Then you say, "You could do that, but I know that is bad." Except you
> are wrong.

Well, I know that the stomach can be stretched but there's still a
limit, I stand by my words that althought the stomach can be stretched
it's impossible to consume 2500 calories in a sitting no matter how
hungry or how much will power you have

Davide
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DZ ha scritto:

> Davide <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
> > JMW ha scritto:
> >
> >> "Davide" <davideb_music.DeleteThis@yahoo.it> wrote:
> >> >How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
> >> >Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy thing
> >> >to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
> >>
> >> This is the source of your problem. You say, "How do you do this?"
> >> Then you say, "You could do that, but I know that is bad." Except you
> >> are wrong.
> >
> > Well, I know that the stomach can be stretched but there's still a
> > limit, I stand by my words that althought the stomach can be stretched
> > it's impossible to consume 2500 calories in a sitting no matter how
> > hungry or how much will power you have
>
> Then eat less than 2500. You'll just stabilize at a lower weight. You
> may decide that you don't want a lower weight, but that's an entirely
> another matter. I don't eat past being hungry - it simply wouldn't
> make any sense from my point of view. I certainly don't stuff myself
> to the point of "stomach stretching".

How can you stabilize at a lower weight?
I mean, you say like having less muscle to feed?
But 2500 is not much, it's a very normal caloric intake for someone who
is active
Stabilizing at a lower weight would just mean wasting your muscle and
still being in a steady caloric deficiency. All the people I know who
underate never stabilized at a lower weight because of this but keps
losing weight even when they're were just skin and bones
How many calories do you consume daily?
How many calories you believe you can consume in one sitting?
Do you have just one meal or also a second meal?

Davide
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"Davide" <davideb_music.TakeThisOut@yahoo.it> wrote in message
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> DZ ha scritto:
>
>> Davide <davideb_music.TakeThisOut@yahoo.it> wrote:
>> > DZ ha scritto:
>> >> Davide <davideb_music.TakeThisOut@yahoo.it> wrote:
>> >> > I'd like to know from someone who follows the Warrior diet while
>> >> > also being involved in physical exercises of any kind, how on
>> >> > earth
>> >> > can you follow this diet ?!
>> >>
>> >> If you are wondering about the optimal diet for competing
>> >> athletes,
>> >> who try to gain edge whatever legal means, then your concerns may
>> >> be
>> >> valid. If you have in mind overall fitness, and don't care if you
>> >> won't achieve all 100% of your athletic potential, then these
>> >> concerns
>> >> are exaggerated, in terms of needed calories and especially the
>> >> amount
> [> >> of protein.
>> >>
>> >> I suppose by the Warrior diet you mean eating only at night -
>> >> that's
>> >> what I do. The name "Warrior" is far too corny and pretentious
>> >> though,
>> >> so I wouldn't adopt it.
>> >
>> > Okay, I agree that the "esoteric" side should be separated from the
>> > health and diet so let's just call it eating at night instead of
>> > the
>> > day. But I wonder are you trying to lose, mantain or gain weight?
>>
>> My weight is stable, but higher than what it would be if I weren't
>> training.
>>
>> > I can understand how this diet works for weight loss since you
>> > undereat at night but what about maintenance? Someone mentioned to
>> > me that the author of the diet looks gaunt and wasted like someone
>> > who is starving
>>
>> You can see that I didn't end up looking gaunt and wasted from the
>> clip in my previous post.
>
> So, why do you think the author got wasted and gaunt
> Does it mean that the diet may work for smaller people that requires
> less calories or that it can't be continued indefinitely?
>
> What about then cycling?
> Like 1 week of warrior diet out of 4 weeks, the other three just
> normal
> more meals a day?
> Or two weeks out of 4
> Would that provide the beneficials of alternate fasting seen on
> longevity studies while also taking care of the problem of not getting
> enough calorie all in all?
>
>
>> > I may believe that your hunger will allow you to eat that much but
>> > your stomach won't
>>
>> By the time stomach tells me to stop, I'm past being hungry. That's
>> all there is to it.
>
> Exactly, and I'm sure that when you're past hungry you still haven't
> consumed enough calories or the calories that you need and would have
> consumed if you had instead consumed more meals
>
>>There is one way to find if it works for you - try
>> and see if you lose too much weight or become too hungry during the
>> day. There are adaptations that take place during intermittent
>> fasting
>> including more efficient utilization of protein.
>>
>> One thing I forgot to say - most optimal is to eat right after the
>> training.
>
> The problem is that I train on the morning, I don't think training at
> 9
> pm is that good or would allow you to train at your max potential
>
>> You can also try to have something easily digestible, perhaps a
>> protein shake right before the training if you worry about not being
>> able to squeeze in those extra calories (just how much extra calories
>> per training session do you intend to spend?). Then eat the rest of
>> the food when you come back home from the gym.
>
> So, this is how my Warrior days were:
>
> Didn't eat nothing except vegetable juices and miso soup and vegetable
> broth till 8 pm without hunger.
>
> At 8 pm I began my big meal with a small salad, then three eggs and
> half a big avocado
> This was a typical meal and nowhere as big as it would have
> theoretically supposed to be
> 90 minutes later I would eat 150 grams of whole pasta with half pack
> of
> cottage cheese
> That's it: sunk !
> I couldn't eat anything more:
>
> 194 calories, 16 grams protein
> 150 calories, 3 grams of protein
> 103 calories, 12 grams of protein
> 400 calories, 20 grams of protein
> 200 calories - oils
>
> This is indeed 1000 calories and 51 grams of proteins and it's
> starving
> big time for everyone let alone someone who exercises. Even for women
> on diet that shouldn't IMO go below 20% of their BMR when dieting
> would
> consume at least 1200 calories when they're trying to lose a lot of
> weight
> This suits the menus I've seen: even people who say they eat a lot on
> the warrior diet rarely exceed 1000 calories in their two night meals
> unless they introduce caloric dense junk food in the diet and it's no
> wonder they're losing weight.
>
> If you cook all those 1000 calories and put them on the table you will
> see is an awful lot of food and you may wonder how all that food will
> ever suits the fist size of your small stomach. So those 1000 calories
> where even more than my stomach could normally handle, just figure
> what
> is they were more than that
>
> What do you eat usually?
> Can you tell me exactly each food and how much you eat and within how
> many meals and what time of the day?
>
>
>> As far as the increased protein needs, I'll post it again:
>>
>> Resistance training
>> ----------------------------
>> "In highly trained powerlifters and bodybuilders, in whom muscle mass
>> is high but stable, it is unlikely that their dietary protein
>> requirements are elevated much more than those of a sedentary
>> person";
>> and "All things considered, it is abundantly clear that any protein
>> requirement set for strength-training athletes is of little
>> relevance"
>> (http://tinyurl.com/3jurp ; PMID: 15212752)
>>
>> Endurance training
>> ---------------------------
>> "It appears that low- and moderate-intensity endurance exercise does
>> not affect dietary protein requirements... For the well- trained
>> endurance athlete training 4 to 5 d/wk for longer than 60 min, there
>> appears to be a very modest increase in dietary protein requirements"
>> (http://tinyurl.com/3qafz ; PMID: 15212749)
>
>
> "Although contrary to traditional belief, recent scientific
> information
> collected on physically active individuals tends to indicate that
> regular exercise increases daily protein requirements; however, the
> precise details remain to be worked out. Based on laboratory measures,
> daily protein requirements are increased by perhaps as much as 100%
> vs.
> recommendations for sedentary individuals (1.6-1.8 vs. 0.8 g/kg). Yet
> even these intakes are much less than those reported by most athletes.
> This may mean that actual requirements are below what is needed to
> optimize athletic performance, and so the debate continues. Numerous
> interacting factors including energy intake, carbohydrate
> availability,
> exercise intensity, duration and type, dietary protein quality,
> training history, gender, age, timing of nutrient intake and the like
> make this topic extremely complex"
> [PMID: 11023001]
>
> "This paper reviews the factors (exercise intensity, carbohydrate
> availability, exercise type, energy balance, gender, exercise
> training,
> age, and timing of nutrient intake or subsequent exercise sessions)
> thought to influence protein need. Although there remains some debate,
> recent evidence suggests that dietary protein need increases with
> rigorous physical exercise. Those involved in strength training might
> need to consume as much as 1.6 to 1.7 g protein x kg(-1) x day(-1)
> (approximately twice the current RDA) while those undergoing endurance
> training might need about 1.2 to 1.6 g x kg(-1) x day(-1)
> (approximately 1.5 times the current RDA). Future longitudinal studies
> are needed to confirm these recommendations and asses whether these
> protein intakes can enhance exercise performance. Despite the
> frequently expressed concern about adverse effects of high protein
> intake, there is no evidence that protein intakes in the range
> suggested will have adverse effects in healthy individuals."
> [PMID: 9841962]
>
> "In summary, protein requirements for athletes performing strength
> training are greater than for sedentary individuals and are above
> current Canadian and US recommended daily protein intake requirements
> for young healthy males."
> [PMID: 1474076]
>
> I'm not saying there is a need for consuming huge amount of protein
> They're right with that: there's no need for more protein than the RDA
> suggests for building the extra muscle mass, muscle is mostly water
> and
> the protein required to build the maximum amount of muscle that can be
> put on in a week is already covered by the RDA
>
> But when you look at the overall nitrogen balance though you see that
> there are conditions which raise the amount of protein needed to
> remain
> a nitrogen balance
> The reason is that other things affect the nitrogen balance and the
> need for more protein, for example exercises increases protein
> turnover
> and the body keep using proteins as a substrate during exercise no
> fatter how much fat you have to burn instead or how much glycogen and
> glucose you could provide to the body.
> For example when dieting the amount of protein needed to maintain
> nitrogen balance goes up and if you're a beginner it goes up a lot
> If face both the papers you cited and the ones I cited agree that
> there's slightly increased need for protein. If you consider that
> there
> are bodybuilders consuming 300 grams of protein in a sitting you can
> see we both agree on this.
> A good amount to be sure to remain in nitrogen balance is IMO 1g/pound
> or else 0.80/pound.

The eating approach I follow, which is the same as DZ, works well for
me. I'm very happy with my body composition. I have grown very slowly
leaner and more muscular as the years have worn on. I maintain my
bodyweight by simply getting on the scale every morning - if I'm gaining
weight, I eat less, and if I'm too light, I eat more.

I do cycle my WD-style eating - I'm what you'd call a social eater, and
on the weekends, I typically have a nice, big, carbohydrate-filled
brunch one or both days with my wife and kids, and just generally eat
whatever I want. During the week I eat less during the day, fewer carbs
overall, and fewer total calories per day. Typically my weight is
highest on Monday mornings and lowest on Friday or Saturday but the
difference isn't much, maybe 3 lbs. or so.

One thing I don't think gets mentioned enough in connection with this
style of eating - the body's dependence on regular feedings can, like
just about anything else about our bodies, be trained. Most people who
try WD style eating and fail do so for the same reasons a new weight
lifter might fail - too much change too soon. I took my good old time
about getting used to eating this way and looking back now, I'm glad I
did.

I'm 51 years old, 153 lbs. this morning, 5' 8" tall, and deadlifted 364
lbs. in competition in the 148 lb. weight class and raw division of the
AAU just last year, which is just shy of 2.5 times bodyweight, an
accomplishment I'm very proud of, even if John Hanson thinks it's no big
deal.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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Hey DZ
I can't see your video, it doesn't work
Can you please upload it on www.yousendit.com?

Thanks
Davide
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"Davide" <davideb_music DeleteThis @yahoo.it> wrote in message
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>
> DZ ha scritto:
>
>> Davide <davideb_music DeleteThis @yahoo.it> wrote:
>> > JMW ha scritto:
>> >
>> >> "Davide" <davideb_music DeleteThis @yahoo.it> wrote:
>> >> >How do you train your body by eating more in a sitting?
>> >> >Simple, you stretch the stomach and I know this is not an healthy
>> >> >thing
>> >> >to do just like getting the stomach atrophy is not healthy either
>> >>
>> >> This is the source of your problem. You say, "How do you do this?"
>> >> Then you say, "You could do that, but I know that is bad." Except you
>> >> are wrong.
>> >
>> > Well, I know that the stomach can be stretched but there's still a
>> > limit, I stand by my words that althought the stomach can be stretched
>> > it's impossible to consume 2500 calories in a sitting no matter how
>> > hungry or how much will power you have
>>
>> Then eat less than 2500. You'll just stabilize at a lower weight. You
>> may decide that you don't want a lower weight, but that's an entirely
>> another matter. I don't eat past being hungry - it simply wouldn't
>> make any sense from my point of view. I certainly don't stuff myself
>> to the point of "stomach stretching".
>
> How can you stabilize at a lower weight?
> I mean, you say like having less muscle to feed?
> But 2500 is not much, it's a very normal caloric intake for someone who
> is active
> Stabilizing at a lower weight would just mean wasting your muscle and
> still being in a steady caloric deficiency. All the people I know who
> underate never stabilized at a lower weight because of this but keps
> losing weight even when they're were just skin and bones

Bingo!


> How many calories do you consume daily?
> How many calories you believe you can consume in one sitting?
> Do you have just one meal or also a second meal?
>
> Davide
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