Vegetarian diet for muscle building

Jason Earl <jearl.RemoveThis@xmission.com> wrote:
>ephedralover@hotmail.com writes:
>
>> Jason Earl wrote:
>>> ephedralover.RemoveThis@hotmail.com writes:
>>>
>>> > good_man wrote:
>>> >> I do not eat any food that involves killing animals(I am not
>>> >> intending to offend anyone, just answering your question). I don't
>>> >> mind if you or anyone else eats meat.
>>> >
>>> > What kind of shoes do you wear? Wallet? Belt? All synthetic fibers
>>> > or Hemp?
>>>
>>> I am the proud scion of cattle ranchers, and I happen to think that
>>> vegetarianism is silly.
>>>
>>> However, even I can see that it is better to hold to a belief
>>> imperfectly than to hold to no beliefs at all. If good_man believes
>>> that the world is a better place because he abstains from killing
>>> animals, then why criticize him because his wallet is made out of
>>> leather? Clearly his abstinence means that less animals are
>>> slaughtered.
>>>
>>> Pointing out hypocrisy is the sort of thing that only people who have
>>> no ideals whatsoever can do with impunity. Aspiring to be a better
>>> person means that you will often fall short of your goal.
>>>
>>> Jason
>>
>> As you try to spew your self proclaimed wisdom don't forget you
>> know nothing of anyone's background or trials and
>> tribulations. Putting us people into groups with zero understanding
>> shows your undersized frontal lobe may also be misfiring.
>
>My point was that it is better to be a hypocrite that is genuinely
>trying to do better than to profess no values at all. Anyone can live
>up to their principles if they don't have any principles. In your
>case, while I don't personally hold your same beliefs, I do respect
>your attempt to allow your beliefs to change your life for the better.
>
>It makes me mad when someone is clearly trying to live up to some sort
>of ethical code and some dork on the sidelines points out the many
>ways in which they could do better, or the cases in which the person
>has had to compromise his or her principles.
>
>Reread my post again. I was applauding you.

heh

Thus illustrating the truism that no good deed goes unpunished. ;o)

Jason, uh, somethingsomething... parse, too.

The double negative trip, perhaps. Your statement, "Pointing out
hypocrisy is the sort of thing that only people who have no ideals
whatsoever can do with impunity." may have been a sticking point for
ephedralover. And, yeah, people often just skip to the end of a post.
You finished, "Aspiring to be a better person means that you will
often fall short of your goal."

(imaginary) ephedralover: "FALL SHORT OF MY GOAL? Why, that Jason
Earl, son of a... imma GET him!"

Just a guess.

Once, at school, I got heated over a teacher's actions. I approached
the teacher and stated as much. Turns out that I was entirely in the
wrong. She calmly stated THAT. I stood there and let my wrongness sink
in, but refused to accept my error in judgment, in my interpretation
of the events. Later that day, I went back to the teacher and
apologized.

Looking forward to ephedralover's REinterpretation of your words.

....

Draw no parallels to this newsgroup, however. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT.
EVERYONE ELSE IS ALWAYS WRONG.

(grips pen tightly and poised over Those Most Hated list)

This will be your only warning.

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Cohen <sammiesdad DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>The world is made up of two kinds of people: those who
>divide people into two groups, and those that don't.

TROLL!!!!!

Oh, wait...

>David

Hth.

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"Curt James" <cwj111.RemoveThis@psu.edu> wrote in message
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> Jason Earl <jearl.RemoveThis@xmission.com> wrote:
>>ephedralover@hotmail.com writes:
>>
>>> Jason Earl wrote:
>>>> ephedralover.RemoveThis@hotmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> > good_man wrote:
>>>> >> I do not eat any food that involves killing animals(I am not
>>>> >> intending to offend anyone, just answering your question). I don't
>>>> >> mind if you or anyone else eats meat.
>>>> >
>>>> > What kind of shoes do you wear? Wallet? Belt? All synthetic fibers
>>>> > or Hemp?
>>>>
>>>> I am the proud scion of cattle ranchers, and I happen to think that
>>>> vegetarianism is silly.
>>>>
>>>> However, even I can see that it is better to hold to a belief
>>>> imperfectly than to hold to no beliefs at all. If good_man believes
>>>> that the world is a better place because he abstains from killing
>>>> animals, then why criticize him because his wallet is made out of
>>>> leather? Clearly his abstinence means that less animals are
>>>> slaughtered.
>>>>
>>>> Pointing out hypocrisy is the sort of thing that only people who have
>>>> no ideals whatsoever can do with impunity. Aspiring to be a better
>>>> person means that you will often fall short of your goal.
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>
>>> As you try to spew your self proclaimed wisdom don't forget you
>>> know nothing of anyone's background or trials and
>>> tribulations. Putting us people into groups with zero understanding
>>> shows your undersized frontal lobe may also be misfiring.
>>
>>My point was that it is better to be a hypocrite that is genuinely
>>trying to do better than to profess no values at all. Anyone can live
>>up to their principles if they don't have any principles. In your
>>case, while I don't personally hold your same beliefs, I do respect
>>your attempt to allow your beliefs to change your life for the better.
>>
>>It makes me mad when someone is clearly trying to live up to some sort
>>of ethical code and some dork on the sidelines points out the many
>>ways in which they could do better, or the cases in which the person
>>has had to compromise his or her principles.
>>
>>Reread my post again. I was applauding you.
>
> heh
>
> Thus illustrating the truism that no good deed goes unpunished. ;o)
>
> Jason, uh, somethingsomething... parse, too.
>
> The double negative trip, perhaps. Your statement, "Pointing out
> hypocrisy is the sort of thing that only people who have no ideals
> whatsoever can do with impunity." may have been a sticking point for
> ephedralover. And, yeah, people often just skip to the end of a post.
> You finished, "Aspiring to be a better person means that you will
> often fall short of your goal."
>
> (imaginary) ephedralover: "FALL SHORT OF MY GOAL? Why, that Jason
> Earl, son of a... imma GET him!"
>
> Just a guess.
>
> Once, at school, I got heated over a teacher's actions.

Heated? You got heated? Pray, what exactly got you heated? Perhaps she
exposed a breast?

> I approached
> the teacher and stated as much.

You approached the teacher? Did you just walk up to her? Did you take an
aggressive stance?

>Turns out that I was entirely in the
> wrong.

Entirely wrong? Was there no shadow of a doubt? Could there have been
another interpretation?

>She calmly stated THAT.

In other words, she was calm and collected while YOU were agitated and
aggressive?

> I stood there and let my wrongness sink
> in,

while your wrongness was sinking in, did you have second thoughts about
approaching her in that way?

> but refused to accept my error in judgment, in my interpretation
> of the events.

would you say you were in denial? Does this happen often?

> Later that day, I went back to the teacher and
> apologized.

did that 'cleanse' you and make you feel a lot better?

Did this all end happily?

Is Dally your role model?
>
> Looking forward to ephedralover's REinterpretation of your words.
>
> ...
>
> Draw no parallels to this newsgroup, however. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT.
> EVERYONE ELSE IS ALWAYS WRONG.
>
> (grips pen tightly and poised over Those Most Hated list)
>
> This will be your only warning.
>
> --
> Curt ;o) <--- ascii indicating (slight) sarcastic intent
> http://curtjames.com/
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David <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>"Curt James" <cwj111 RemoveThis @psu.edu> wrote
[...]

>> Once, at school, I got heated over a teacher's actions.
>
>Heated? You got heated? Pray, what exactly got you heated?

She didn't pick her kids up on time. I know, the HORROR! But, as I
said, it gets worse.

>Perhaps she exposed a breast?

Teachers don't have secondary sexual characteristics. We're all just
like Barbie and Ken dolls.

>> I approached the teacher and stated as much.
>
>You approached the teacher?

Yes.

>Did you just walk up to her?

Yes.

>Did you take an aggressive stance?

I don't recall. Perhaps. Hmm. Define aggressive stance. If you're
talking something like this...

No.

>>Turns out that I was entirely in the wrong.
>
>Entirely wrong?

Yes.

>Was there no shadow of a doubt?

No.

>Could there have been another interpretation?

No.

She did not pick her students up at the end of the class time because
on one of the two days during the six-day cycle, I had prearranged
that - since I was coming downstairs for lunch duty anyway - I would
line her students up and accompany them to her room. So, in fact, she
did not pick her kids up late, rather I failed to deliver her students
on time. D'OH!

>>She calmly stated THAT.
>
>In other words, she was calm and collected while
>YOU were agitated

Yes.

>and aggressive?

Not sure I'd call it overly aggressive, but, yes, agitated would not
be incorrect.

>> I stood there and let my wrongness sink in,
>
>while your wrongness was sinking in, did you have
>second thoughts about approaching her in that way?

Perhaps.

>> but refused to accept my error in judgment, in my interpretation
>> of the events.
>
>would you say you were in denial?

Yes.

>Does this happen often?

No. NO, IT DOESN'T! NO, NO, NO!!! AIIEEEE!!!

>> Later that day, I went back to the teacher and
>> apologized.
>
>did that 'cleanse' you and make you feel a lot better?

Yes.

>Did this all end happily?

Yes. It is a running joke.

>Is Dally your role model?

Who?

>> Looking forward to ephedralover's REinterpretation of your words.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Draw no parallels to this newsgroup, however. I AM ALWAYS RIGHT.
>> EVERYONE ELSE IS ALWAYS WRONG.
>>
>> (grips pen tightly and poised over Those Most Hated list)
>>
>> This will be your only warning.

(adds David's name to Those Most Hated list)

....

(underlines David's name three times with THE RED PEN)


>>
>>
>> Curt ;o) <--- ascii indicating (slight) sarcastic intent
>> http://curtjames.com/
>

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"Curt James" <cwj111.TakeThisOut@psu.edu> wrote in message
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> Jason Earl <jearl.TakeThisOut@xmission.com> wrote:
>>ephedralover@hotmail.com writes:
>>
>>> Jason Earl wrote:
>>>> ephedralover.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>> > good_man wrote:
>>>> >> I do not eat any food that involves killing animals(I am not
>>>> >> intending to offend anyone, just answering your question). I don't
>>>> >> mind if you or anyone else eats meat.
>>>> >
>>>> > What kind of shoes do you wear? Wallet? Belt? All synthetic fibers
>>>> > or Hemp?
>>>>
>>>> I am the proud scion of cattle ranchers, and I happen to think that
>>>> vegetarianism is silly.
>>>>
>>>> However, even I can see that it is better to hold to a belief
>>>> imperfectly than to hold to no beliefs at all. If good_man believes
>>>> that the world is a better place because he abstains from killing
>>>> animals, then why criticize him because his wallet is made out of
>>>> leather? Clearly his abstinence means that less animals are
>>>> slaughtered.
>>>>
>>>> Pointing out hypocrisy is the sort of thing that only people who have
>>>> no ideals whatsoever can do with impunity. Aspiring to be a better
>>>> person means that you will often fall short of your goal.
>>>>
>>>> Jason
>>>
>>> As you try to spew your self proclaimed wisdom don't forget you
>>> know nothing of anyone's background or trials and
>>> tribulations. Putting us people into groups with zero understanding
>>> shows your undersized frontal lobe may also be misfiring.
>>
>>My point was that it is better to be a hypocrite that is genuinely
>>trying to do better than to profess no values at all. Anyone can live
>>up to their principles if they don't have any principles. In your
>>case, while I don't personally hold your same beliefs, I do respect
>>your attempt to allow your beliefs to change your life for the better.
>>
>>It makes me mad when someone is clearly trying to live up to some sort
>>of ethical code and some dork on the sidelines points out the many
>>ways in which they could do better, or the cases in which the person
>>has had to compromise his or her principles.
>>
>>Reread my post again. I was applauding you.
>
> heh
>
> Thus illustrating the truism that no good deed goes unpunished. ;o)
>
> Jason, uh, somethingsomething... parse, too.
>
> The double negative trip, perhaps. Your statement, "Pointing out
> hypocrisy is the sort of thing that only people who have no ideals
> whatsoever can do with impunity." may have been a sticking point for
> ephedralover. And, yeah, people often just skip to the end of a post.
> You finished, "Aspiring to be a better person means that you will
> often fall short of your goal."
>
> (imaginary) ephedralover: "FALL SHORT OF MY GOAL? Why, that Jason
> Earl, son of a... imma GET him!"
>
> Just a guess.
>
> Once, at school, I got heated over a teacher's actions. I approached
> the teacher and stated as much. Turns out that I was entirely in the
> wrong. She calmly stated THAT. I stood there and let my wrongness sink
> in, but refused to accept my error in judgment, in my interpretation
> of the events. Later that day, I went back to the teacher and
> apologized.

it would be helpful if you shared with us the actual details of the
teacher's actions and the precise reason for your increase in temperature
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David <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
[...]

>it would be helpful if you shared with us

Define us.

> the actual details of the teacher's actions and the
>precise reason for your increase in temperature

Done elsewhere in this thread.

But I forgot the one bit courtesy of Google (naturally)...


|> Did you take an aggressive stance?
|
| I don't recall. Perhaps. Hmm. Define aggressive stance.
| If you're talking something like this...

http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=judo+stance&btnG=Search

|
| No.

Ahhh, much better.

She showed up late to pick up her kids, but actually I was the one who
had failed to take her students down to her classroom at the end of
Art class. On my way to caf duty, I stopped by her room and asked why
she had been late. She calmly replied, something like, "Because you
said you'd bring them down on day two (or three or four or whatever it
was at that time)." I blinked and said something like, "Oh, so the
reason you didn't pick your kids up on time is because ~*I*~ had said
that I'd bring them down, eh? Oh? Is that right?" She, again calmly,
replied with something like, "Yes."

And then I stormed off.

heh

Denial? Naaaah.

Now, whenever, I do something stupid (a raaaaare event, to be sure) I
reminisce over those events. ;o)

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"Curt James" <cwj111.RemoveThis@psu.edu> wrote in message
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> David <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>"Curt James" <cwj111.RemoveThis@psu.edu> wrote
> [...]
>
>>> Once, at school, I got heated over a teacher's actions.
>>
>>Heated? You got heated? Pray, what exactly got you heated?
>
> She didn't pick her kids up on time. I know, the HORROR! But, as I
> said, it gets worse.
>
>>Perhaps she exposed a breast?
>
> Teachers don't have secondary sexual characteristics. We're all just
> like Barbie and Ken dolls.


dunno Curt - you know about the recent spate of sexy female teachers
seducing their students - those poor unfortunate boys that are now
traumatized for life?


[.....]

>
>>Could there have been another interpretation?
>
> No.
>
> She did not pick her students up at the end of the class time because
> on one of the two days during the six-day cycle, I had prearranged
> that - since I was coming downstairs for lunch duty anyway - I would
> line her students up and accompany them to her room. So, in fact, she
> did not pick her kids up late, rather I failed to deliver her students
> on time. D'OH!

Well, seems a reasonable in your part - mostly anyone would probably have
jumped to the same conclusion. Was she good looking?

>
>>>She calmly stated THAT.
>>
>>In other words, she was calm and collected while
>>YOU were agitated
>

[.....]
>
>>Does this happen often?
>
> No. NO, IT DOESN'T! NO, NO, NO!!! AIIEEEE!!!

lol!



>>Is Dally your role model?
>
> Who?

You know . . . the athlete

[......]

> (adds David's name to Those Most Hated list)
>
> ...
>
> (underlines David's name three times with THE RED PEN)
>
>

No Curt . . .please NOT the red pen!!

>>>
>>>
>>> Curt ;o) <--- ascii indicating (slight) sarcastic intent
>>> http://curtjames.com/
>>
>
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On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:14:28 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"Curt James" <cwj111 DeleteThis @psu.edu> wrote in message
>news:s15da2lbn8c7jf176s73l85ee0l4o6b5ia@4ax.com...
>> David <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>"Curt James" <cwj111 DeleteThis @psu.edu> wrote
>> [...]
>>
>>>> Once, at school, I got heated over a teacher's actions.
>>>
>>>Heated? You got heated? Pray, what exactly got you heated?
>>
>> She didn't pick her kids up on time. I know, the HORROR! But, as I
>> said, it gets worse.
>>
>>>Perhaps she exposed a breast?
>>
>> Teachers don't have secondary sexual characteristics. We're all just
>> like Barbie and Ken dolls.
>
>
>dunno Curt - you know about the recent spate of sexy female teachers
>seducing their students - those poor unfortunate boys that are now
>traumatized for life?
>
>
>[.....]
>
>>
>>>Could there have been another interpretation?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> She did not pick her students up at the end of the class time because
>> on one of the two days during the six-day cycle, I had prearranged
>> that - since I was coming downstairs for lunch duty anyway - I would
>> line her students up and accompany them to her room. So, in fact, she
>> did not pick her kids up late, rather I failed to deliver her students
>> on time. D'OH!
>
>Well, seems a reasonable in your part - mostly anyone would probably have
>jumped to the same conclusion. Was she good looking?
>
>>
>>>>She calmly stated THAT.
>>>
>>>In other words, she was calm and collected while
>>>YOU were agitated
>>
>
>[.....]
>>
>>>Does this happen often?
>>
>> No. NO, IT DOESN'T! NO, NO, NO!!! AIIEEEE!!!
>
>lol!
>
>
>
>>>Is Dally your role model?
>>
>> Who?
>
>You know . . . the athlete

With the greatest respect Sir, but Dolly is a "Triathlete" although
she did (that phase, like many others, has gone very quiet?) only
compete against the aged and infirm.
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"Curt James" <cwj111.RemoveThis@psu.edu> wrote in message
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> David <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> [...]
>
>>it would be helpful if you shared with us
>
> Define us.

the collective 'we'

>
>> the actual details of the teacher's actions and the
>>precise reason for your increase in temperature
>
> Done elsewhere in this thread.
>
> But I forgot the one bit courtesy of Google (naturally)...
>
>
> |> Did you take an aggressive stance?
> |
> | I don't recall. Perhaps. Hmm. Define aggressive stance.
> | If you're talking something like this...
>
> http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=judo+stance&btnG=Search

not bad (I googled "aggressive stance" and came up with an Audi

>
> |
> | No.
>
> Ahhh, much better.
>
> She showed up late to pick up her kids, but actually I was the one who
> had failed to take her students down to her classroom at the end of
> Art class. On my way to caf duty, I stopped by her room and asked why
> she had been late. She calmly replied, something like, "Because you
> said you'd bring them down on day two (or three or four or whatever it
> was at that time)." I blinked and said something like, "Oh, so the
> reason you didn't pick your kids up on time is because ~*I*~ had said
> that I'd bring them down, eh? Oh? Is that right?" She, again calmly,
> replied with something like, "Yes."
>
> And then I stormed off.
>
> heh
>
> Denial? Naaaah.
>
> Now, whenever, I do something stupid (a raaaaare event, to be sure) I
> reminisce over those events. ;o)

Yes I can see how that would be a rare event - I might have said to her
"look, I'm sorry and beating myself up over this unfortunate event. Maybe
you could give me some private counselling to help me get over it?"

>
> --
> Curt
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"Charles" <jrh DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:14:28 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Curt James" <cwj111 DeleteThis @psu.edu> wrote in message
>>news:s15da2lbn8c7jf176s73l85ee0l4o6b5ia@4ax.com...
>>> David <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>"Curt James" <cwj111 DeleteThis @psu.edu> wrote
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>>> Once, at school, I got heated over a teacher's actions.
>>>>
>>>>Heated? You got heated? Pray, what exactly got you heated?
>>>
>>> She didn't pick her kids up on time. I know, the HORROR! But, as I
>>> said, it gets worse.
>>>
>>>>Perhaps she exposed a breast?
>>>
>>> Teachers don't have secondary sexual characteristics. We're all just
>>> like Barbie and Ken dolls.
>>
>>
>>dunno Curt - you know about the recent spate of sexy female teachers
>>seducing their students - those poor unfortunate boys that are now
>>traumatized for life?
>>
>>
>>[.....]
>>
>>>
>>>>Could there have been another interpretation?
>>>
>>> No.
>>>
>>> She did not pick her students up at the end of the class time because
>>> on one of the two days during the six-day cycle, I had prearranged
>>> that - since I was coming downstairs for lunch duty anyway - I would
>>> line her students up and accompany them to her room. So, in fact, she
>>> did not pick her kids up late, rather I failed to deliver her students
>>> on time. D'OH!
>>
>>Well, seems a reasonable in your part - mostly anyone would probably have
>>jumped to the same conclusion. Was she good looking?
>>
>>>
>>>>>She calmly stated THAT.
>>>>
>>>>In other words, she was calm and collected while
>>>>YOU were agitated
>>>
>>
>>[.....]
>>>
>>>>Does this happen often?
>>>
>>> No. NO, IT DOESN'T! NO, NO, NO!!! AIIEEEE!!!
>>
>>lol!
>>
>>
>>
>>>>Is Dally your role model?
>>>
>>> Who?
>>
>>You know . . . the athlete
>
> With the greatest respect Sir, but Dolly is a "Triathlete" although
> she did (that phase, like many others, has gone very quiet?) only
> compete against the aged and infirm.

True, she specialised in those categories. But to her credit, she did finish
mid pack I believe
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>
> David wrote:
>> "Charles" <jrh DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote


[.......]


> >
>> > This has produced remarkable results with other 'troublemakers' in the
>> > past, and may well bring this latest threat to Group harmony to his
>> > senses.
>> >
>> > I do hope that helps! ;o)
>>
>> fingers crossed
>
> THE POWER OF TROLL DISENABLERMAN COMPELS YOU! THE POWER OF TROLL
> DISENABLERMAN COMPELS YOU! THE POWER OF TROLL DISENABLERMAN COMPELS
> YOU! THE POWER OF TROLL DISENABLERMAN COMPELS YOU! THE POWER OF TROLL
> DISENABLERMAN COMPELS YOU!
>
> TROLL DISENABLERMAN

I know you think you have achieved something here - maybe a *little*
victory. However I have a think tank going with my boys here. "how to
disenabable the disenablerman"
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