Vegetarian diet for muscle building

Jason Earl wrote:
> ephedralover RemoveThis @hotmail.com writes:
>
> > good_man wrote:
> >> I do not eat any food that involves killing animals(I am not
> >> intending to offend anyone, just answering your question). I don't
> >> mind if you or anyone else eats meat.
> >
> > What kind of shoes do you wear? Wallet? Belt? All synthetic fibers
> > or Hemp?
>
> I am the proud scion of cattle ranchers, and I happen to think that
> vegetarianism is silly.
>
> However, even I can see that it is better to hold to a belief
> imperfectly than to hold to no beliefs at all. If good_man believes
> that the world is a better place because he abstains from killing
> animals, then why criticize him because his wallet is made out of
> leather? Clearly his abstinence means that less animals are
> slaughtered.
>
> Pointing out hypocrisy is the sort of thing that only people who have
> no ideals whatsoever can do with impunity. Aspiring to be a better
> person means that you will often fall short of your goal.
>
> Jason

As you try to spew your self proclaimed wisdom don't forget you know
nothing of anyone's background or trials and tribulations. Putting us
people into groups with zero understanding shows your undersized
frontal lobe may also be misfiring.
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David Cohen wrote:
> "Dally" <Dally.TakeThisOut@myself.com> wrote
>
>>good_man wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I do not eat any food that involves killing animals(I am not intending
>>>to offend anyone, just answering your question). I don't mind if you or
>>>anyone else eats meat.
>>
>>My teen-aged daughter is going through this ethical vegetarianism phase.
>>It's absolutely hilarious to watch. She'll eat lamb from a 4H lamb that
>>used to be named "Star", she'll eat chicken, she'll eat fish, calimari,
>>clams, scallops, emu, turkey, pork, milk and eggs, but she will not eat:
>>
>>1. beef
>>2. lobsters
>
>
> Well, it IS pretty cruel when they drop the live cow into the pot of boiling
> water.

I think it's the eyes. Cows and lobsters just have such expressive eyes.

Dally
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good_man wrote:
> Hi, I am 27 year old thin vegetarian guy. I want to gain weight
> and build muscle. Can you please help me with the following questions?
>
> Where can I find help regarding diet and recipies? I have baught
> whey protein powder. Do I need any other suppliments?
> I have never been to gym before. How should I choose a gym and what
> kind of excercises would be good for me?
> When should I expect to achieve my goals of building muscle and
> gaining some weight?
>
> Thanks.

Never heard of a famous vegetarian bodybuilder? Bill Pearl is probably
the most well-known of vegetarian bodybuilders. At his own peak as a
bodybuilder when he last won the Mr. Universe in 1971, Bill weighed 242
pounds at a height of 5'10" and his arms measured 21 inches! Bill
stopped using steroids by 1961.

He won the professional Mr. Universe title in 1971, at the age of 41,
without the use of steroids and as a vegetarian, and is recognized as
one of the all-time greats of bodybuilding. Bill's diet is lacto-ovo
vegetarian, which means he eats eggs and dairy products.
He describes his experiences with the conversion to vegetarianism.
"With each succeeding year the diet (lacto-ovo vegetarian), I've felt
better. I'm more healthy, I can train with more energy, and I'm not as
much of a "hard guy" as I used to be. I've become more concerned with
my fellow man and the other inhabitants I share the planet with. ...I
have now been vegetarian for almost 20 years. We have no fish, fowl, or
red meat in our diet. Yet I can still carry the same amount of muscle
as I did in winning my four Mr. Universe titles. People can't believe
it. They think that to have big muscles you have to eat meat - it's a
persistent and recurring myth. But take it from me, there's nothing
magic about eating meat that's going to make you a champion
bodybuilder. Anything you can find in a piece of meat, you can find in
other foods as well."
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"bobhard" <bobhardt RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote
> good_man wrote:
>> Hi, I am 27 year old thin vegetarian guy. I want to gain weight
>> and build muscle. Can you please help me with the following questions?
>>
>> Where can I find help regarding diet and recipies? I have baught
>> whey protein powder. Do I need any other suppliments?
>> I have never been to gym before. How should I choose a gym and what
>> kind of excercises would be good for me?
>> When should I expect to achieve my goals of building muscle and
>> gaining some weight?
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> Never heard of a famous vegetarian bodybuilder? Bill Pearl is probably
> the most well-known of vegetarian bodybuilders. At his own peak as a
> bodybuilder when he last won the Mr. Universe in 1971, Bill weighed 242
> pounds at a height of 5'10" and his arms measured 21 inches! Bill
> stopped using steroids by 1961.
>
> He won the professional Mr. Universe title in 1971, at the age of 41,
> without the use of steroids and as a vegetarian, and is recognized as
> one of the all-time greats of bodybuilding. Bill's diet is lacto-ovo
> vegetarian, which means he eats eggs and dairy products.
> He describes his experiences with the conversion to vegetarianism.
> "With each succeeding year the diet (lacto-ovo vegetarian), I've felt
> better. I'm more healthy, I can train with more energy, and I'm not as
> much of a "hard guy" as I used to be. I've become more concerned with
> my fellow man and the other inhabitants I share the planet with. ...I
> have now been vegetarian for almost 20 years. We have no fish, fowl, or
> red meat in our diet. Yet I can still carry the same amount of muscle
> as I did in winning my four Mr. Universe titles. People can't believe
> it. They think that to have big muscles you have to eat meat - it's a
> persistent and recurring myth. But take it from me, there's nothing
> magic about eating meat that's going to make you a champion
> bodybuilder. Anything you can find in a piece of meat, you can find in
> other foods as well."

So, after years of eating meat and using anabolic steroids (which we have
his word only that he stopped) to build the muscle, his "my vegetarianism
makes me better than you" allowed him to maintain it? Wow. I'm so impressed.

David
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"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote
> "bobhard" <bobhardt.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote
>> good_man wrote:
>>> Hi, I am 27 year old thin vegetarian guy. I want to gain weight
>>> and build muscle. Can you please help me with the following questions?
>>>
>>> Where can I find help regarding diet and recipies? I have baught
>>> whey protein powder. Do I need any other suppliments?
>>> I have never been to gym before. How should I choose a gym and what
>>> kind of excercises would be good for me?
>>> When should I expect to achieve my goals of building muscle and
>>> gaining some weight?
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>
>> Never heard of a famous vegetarian bodybuilder? Bill Pearl is probably
>> the most well-known of vegetarian bodybuilders. At his own peak as a
>> bodybuilder when he last won the Mr. Universe in 1971, Bill weighed 242
>> pounds at a height of 5'10" and his arms measured 21 inches! Bill
>> stopped using steroids by 1961.
>>
>> He won the professional Mr. Universe title in 1971, at the age of 41,
>> without the use of steroids and as a vegetarian, and is recognized as
>> one of the all-time greats of bodybuilding. Bill's diet is lacto-ovo
>> vegetarian, which means he eats eggs and dairy products.
>> He describes his experiences with the conversion to vegetarianism.
>> "With each succeeding year the diet (lacto-ovo vegetarian), I've felt
>> better. I'm more healthy, I can train with more energy, and I'm not as
>> much of a "hard guy" as I used to be. I've become more concerned with
>> my fellow man and the other inhabitants I share the planet with. ...I
>> have now been vegetarian for almost 20 years. We have no fish, fowl, or
>> red meat in our diet. Yet I can still carry the same amount of muscle
>> as I did in winning my four Mr. Universe titles. People can't believe
>> it. They think that to have big muscles you have to eat meat - it's a
>> persistent and recurring myth. But take it from me, there's nothing
>> magic about eating meat that's going to make you a champion
>> bodybuilder. Anything you can find in a piece of meat, you can find in
>> other foods as well."
>
> So, after years of eating meat and using anabolic steroids (which we have
> his word only that he stopped) to build the muscle, his "my vegetarianism
> makes me better than you" allowed him to maintain it? Wow. I'm so
> impressed.
>
Add to that mix a great set of genes. Which he got from him mommy and
daddy. Who were probably meateaters too.
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ephedralover.DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> good_man wrote:
>
>>I do not eat any food that involves killing animals(I am not intending
>>to offend anyone, just answering your question). I don't mind if you or
>>anyone else eats meat.
>
>
> What kind of shoes do you wear? Wallet? Belt? All synthetic fibers or
> Hemp?
>

If I could buy boots that wouldn't result in further injury/fracture
that weren't made of leather, I would. As I can't, I buy one pair that I
can wear for any occaision.



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David Cohen wrote:
> "good_man" <good_man_101 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote
>
>>I want to continue to be a vegetarian and try to build body over the
>>next 3 months. If I fail, I will try meat for the following 3 months.
>
>
> Hmmm...you don't want to intentionally kill animals, unless your survival
> depends on it, or in order to build some muscle?
>
> You don't exactly hold your ethical beliefs too strongly.
>
> There are loads of eating and workout plans to build muscle. On any of them,
> in place of whatever your current, somewhat wishy washy, ethics forbids,
> substitute whey, milk, eggs, and a little soy.
>
> David
> lacto-ovo-bovo-porcino-muttono-venisono-pesco-pollovegetarian
>
>

he still hasn't answered my question as to if he eats dairy and eggs,
which don't involve the direct killing of animals to obtain (and I
suspect the chickens aren't too inconvenienced, either, unless they're
battery hens, which is something cruel).



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Dally wrote:
> JMW wrote:
>
>> "good_man" <good_man_101.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> JMW wrote:
>>>
>>>> "good_man" <good_man_101.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I do not eat any food that involves killing animals(I am not intending
>>>>> to offend anyone, just answering your question). I don't mind if
>>>>> you or
>>>>> anyone else eats meat.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Everything involves killing animals. Tapeworms are animals. If you
>>>> had one in your gut, you would be overjoyed to kill the little
>>>> bastard. When it comes to the killing of animals, there are no
>>>> absolutes. It's all a matter of how much karma you want to incur.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't want to get involved in killing animals intentionally when I
>>> don't have to. If it comes to my survival, I will do anything.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fair enough.
>
>
> But what about sheep? Ever met any sheep? We used to raise goats,
> rabbits, cows, pigs, chickens & sheep on our farm. I can't bear to kill
> cows, pigs or goats. But sheep I'll happily kill any day. Bonus if I
> get to eat them, too.
>
> As for chickens - eh, who cares? If God didn't intend us to eat chicken
> he wouldn't have made it taste so much like chicken.
>
> Dally

If we hadn't taken over the planet, six foot tall chickens would be
hunting the primates. We must continue to eat them to maintain global
dominance. Hasn't anyone seen Jurassic Park?????

As for mammals, I won't eat anything that has emotions like we do, we
being mammals. I couldn't send an animal that I believe can feel to the
place I somehow have managed to keep dodging. After my heart did the
flip flop stop stop dance that last time I just couldn't eat them anymore.

Ari

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spodosaurus wrote:

> Dally wrote:
>
>> As for chickens - eh, who cares? If God didn't intend us to eat
>> chicken he wouldn't have made it taste so much like chicken.
>
> If we hadn't taken over the planet, six foot tall chickens would be
> hunting the primates. We must continue to eat them to maintain global
> dominance. Hasn't anyone seen Jurassic Park?????

A local farm raises emus and whenever I buy their meat I tell the
children we're having "dinosaur" for dinner.

My Small Boy is going to be very disappointed with me some day when he
figures it out.

> As for mammals, I won't eat anything that has emotions like we do, we
> being mammals.

Emotions like we do? Does that mean you can eat psychopaths? Or at
least cats? And I would hesitate before I ascribed emotions to sheep.

> I couldn't send an animal that I believe can feel to the
> place I somehow have managed to keep dodging. After my heart did the
> flip flop stop stop dance that last time I just couldn't eat them anymore.

Seriously, Ari, death awaits everything. Life is a gift to the ones
that get born to be meat. Just say, "thank you" to their spirit.

You can respect the gift and still eat it at the same time.

Dally
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Dally wrote:
> good_man wrote:
>
>> I do not eat any food that involves killing animals(I am not intending
>> to offend anyone, just answering your question). I don't mind if you or
>> anyone else eats meat.
>
>
> My teen-aged daughter is going through this ethical vegetarianism phase.
> It's absolutely hilarious to watch. She'll eat lamb from a 4H lamb
> that used to be named "Star", she'll eat chicken, she'll eat fish,
> calimari, clams, scallops, emu, turkey, pork, milk and eggs, but she
> will not eat:
>
> 1. beef
> 2. lobsters
>
> While on vacation last week at the ocean she went into a store, bought a
> lobster and set it free on the beach. (Yes, she snipped off the rubber
> bands.)
>
> It's a hoot to watch. And good for my grocery bills, too.
>
> Dally

I won't eat calamari...neuroscience loves the squid for technical
reasons, and the more we learn about it the more we are surpised. Same
with octopi...smarter than small children in several tests, and the
camoflage of some squid is a technical marvel.

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"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus.DeleteThis@_yahoo_.com> wrote
> Dally wrote:
>> good_man wrote:
>>
>>> I do not eat any food that involves killing animals(I am not intending
>>> to offend anyone, just answering your question). I don't mind if you or
>>> anyone else eats meat.
>>
>> My teen-aged daughter is going through this ethical vegetarianism phase.
>> It's absolutely hilarious to watch. She'll eat lamb from a 4H lamb that
>> used to be named "Star", she'll eat chicken, she'll eat fish, calimari,
>> clams, scallops, emu, turkey, pork, milk and eggs, but she will not eat:
>>
>> 1. beef
>> 2. lobsters
>>
>> While on vacation last week at the ocean she went into a store, bought a
>> lobster and set it free on the beach. (Yes, she snipped off the rubber
>> bands.)
>>
>> It's a hoot to watch. And good for my grocery bills, too.
>
> I won't eat calamari...neuroscience loves the squid for technical reasons,
> and the more we learn about it the more we are surpised.

Are you implying that my favorite recipe for chimpanzee/whale stew is
obsolete?

> Same with octopi...smarter than small children in several tests, and the
> camoflage of some squid is a technical marvel.

So, you want me to substitute small children for the chimp and whale?

Hmmm...well, I do have a convenient source.

Ari Stew. High protein and yummy!

David
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Dally wrote:
> spodosaurus wrote:
>
>> Dally wrote:
>>
>>> As for chickens - eh, who cares? If God didn't intend us to eat
>>> chicken he wouldn't have made it taste so much like chicken.
>>
>>
>> If we hadn't taken over the planet, six foot tall chickens would be
>> hunting the primates. We must continue to eat them to maintain global
>> dominance. Hasn't anyone seen Jurassic Park?????
>
>
> A local farm raises emus and whenever I buy their meat I tell the
> children we're having "dinosaur" for dinner.
>
> My Small Boy is going to be very disappointed with me some day when he
> figures it out.
>
>> As for mammals, I won't eat anything that has emotions like we do, we
>> being mammals.
>
>
> Emotions like we do? Does that mean you can eat psychopaths?

I would if they'd serve them after the electric chair session.

> Or at
> least cats? And I would hesitate before I ascribed emotions to sheep.
>
>> I couldn't send an animal that I believe can feel to the place I
>> somehow have managed to keep dodging. After my heart did the flip flop
>> stop stop dance that last time I just couldn't eat them anymore.
>
>
> Seriously, Ari, death awaits everything. Life is a gift to the ones
> that get born to be meat. Just say, "thank you" to their spirit.
>
> You can respect the gift and still eat it at the same time.

I simplified the experiences for posting here. Suffice it to say, I cannot.

>
> Dally


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neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
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transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
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spodosaurus wrote:
> Dally wrote:
>
>>> I couldn't send an animal that I believe can feel to the place I
>>> somehow have managed to keep dodging. After my heart did the flip
>>> flop stop stop dance that last time I just couldn't eat them anymore.
>>
>> Seriously, Ari, death awaits everything. Life is a gift to the ones
>> that get born to be meat. Just say, "thank you" to their spirit.
>>
>> You can respect the gift and still eat it at the same time.
>
> I simplified the experiences for posting here. Suffice it to say, I cannot.

Okay. I don't want to walk a mile in your shoes. I don't know how your
experiences would change me.

Dally
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