Vegetarian diet for muscle building

JMWould-you-review-the-meaning-of-karma-please?
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><snip> It's all a matter of how much karma you want to incur.

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So, you're, like, concerned with your Karma? Because, I'da never
guessed that. Hnh.

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Jason Earl <jearl DeleteThis @xmission.com> wrote:

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>Pointing out hypocrisy is the sort of thing that only people who have
>no ideals whatsoever can do with impunity.

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Unrelated to vegetarianism, I know, but that smacks of a confusing
dose of the double negative. Now my head hurts. Still, that won't stop
me from calling Emmy a hypocrite. AND a colossal jerk, to boot.

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"good_man" <good_man_101.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1151344380.276467.64220
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> I want to continue to be a vegetarian and try to build body over the
> next 3 months. If I fail, I will try meat for the following 3 months.
>

Three months isn't very long. I'd suggest keeping good records of your
lifts to determine if you're getting stronger. Relying on measurements
or visual cues can be misleading.

I wonder if you have an idea of what sort of diet the typical person
needs in order to bodybuild successfully? If you don't, you should make
it a point to learn. Then, determine how you can provide that diet
within a vegetarian framework.

It may be stating the obvious, but some folks are clueless so I'll repeat
a truism: barring extraordinary circumstances such as obesity, you will
never add significant muscle without gaining weight.

So, figure out how many calories you want to consume daily in order to
gain weight. Next, determine roughly how much protein and fat you want
to consume daily (assume 30% of your total daily calories come from
protien, 30% from fat, and the rest from carbs), and how many calories
are provided by these parts of your diet. Finally, allow yourself enough
carbohydrates to round out your compliment of calories. If you are not
gaining weight over time, increase your carbs.

You'll need to learn how to analyze your diet and tailor it to your
goals. There are plenty of resources online that can help you with this
task.

Just do what Dinky Brinky suggested: type "vegetarian bodybuilding" into
the Google search engine and start to follow the links. It stands to
reason that vegetarian bodybuilders would be able to lead you in the
right direction.

Keep in mind that most of the so-called vegetarian or vegan bodybuilders
whose pictures grace those various websites probably don't truly abstain
from animal products; or, they may have adopted a true vegan lifestyle
relatively recently. Be satisfied with progress over time, don't demand
instant perfection.

If you learn how to bodybuild on a vegetarian diet, please post a
synopsis so the rest of us can learn from you. I doubt any will make the
switch to vegetarianism, but it would be interesting nonetheless.
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Schuh is my hero <no RemoveThis @mail.net> wrote:
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><snip> don't demand instant perfection. <snip>

THAT'S NOT VERY AMERICAN, PAL! ;o)

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JMW wrote:
> "good_man" <good_man_101.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>JMW wrote:
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>>>"good_man" <good_man_101.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I do not eat any food that involves killing animals(I am not intending
>>>>to offend anyone, just answering your question). I don't mind if you or
>>>>anyone else eats meat.
>>>
>>>Everything involves killing animals. Tapeworms are animals. If you
>>>had one in your gut, you would be overjoyed to kill the little
>>>bastard. When it comes to the killing of animals, there are no
>>>absolutes. It's all a matter of how much karma you want to incur.
>>
>>I don't want to get involved in killing animals intentionally when I
>>don't have to. If it comes to my survival, I will do anything.
>
>
> Fair enough.

But what about sheep? Ever met any sheep? We used to raise goats,
rabbits, cows, pigs, chickens & sheep on our farm. I can't bear to kill
cows, pigs or goats. But sheep I'll happily kill any day. Bonus if I
get to eat them, too.

As for chickens - eh, who cares? If God didn't intend us to eat chicken
he wouldn't have made it taste so much like chicken.

Dally
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good_man wrote:

> I do not eat any food that involves killing animals(I am not intending
> to offend anyone, just answering your question). I don't mind if you or
> anyone else eats meat.

My teen-aged daughter is going through this ethical vegetarianism phase.
It's absolutely hilarious to watch. She'll eat lamb from a 4H lamb
that used to be named "Star", she'll eat chicken, she'll eat fish,
calimari, clams, scallops, emu, turkey, pork, milk and eggs, but she
will not eat:

1. beef
2. lobsters

While on vacation last week at the ocean she went into a store, bought a
lobster and set it free on the beach. (Yes, she snipped off the rubber
bands.)

It's a hoot to watch. And good for my grocery bills, too.

Dally
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Dally <Dally.RemoveThis@myself.com> wrote:

><snip> If God didn't intend us to eat chicken he
>wouldn't have made it taste so much like chicken.

Where's that guy who doesn't like comedians? Because...

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Curt James <cwj111 RemoveThis @psu.edu> writes:

> Jason Earl <jearl RemoveThis @xmission.com> wrote:
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> [...]
>
>>Pointing out hypocrisy is the sort of thing that only people who have
>>no ideals whatsoever can do with impunity.
>
> [...]
>
> Unrelated to vegetarianism, I know, but that smacks of a confusing
> dose of the double negative. Now my head hurts. Still, that won't
> stop me from calling Emmy a hypocrite. AND a colossal jerk, to boot.

As someone with no ideals whatsoever you can do that with impunity.
Well done, you parsed my sentence perfectly .

Jason
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Larry Hodges wrote:
> "good_man" <good_man_101.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> Hi, I am 27 year old thin vegetarian guy. I want to gain weight
>>and build muscle. Can you please help me with the following questions?
>>
>> Where can I find help regarding diet and recipies? I have baught
>>whey protein powder. Do I need any other suppliments?
>> I have never been to gym before. How should I choose a gym and what
>>kind of excercises would be good for me?
>> When should I expect to achieve my goals of building muscle and
>>gaining some weight?
>>
>> Thanks.
>
>
> Eat chicken, turkey and fish.
>
>

Soy, fish, and dairy (though soy and phytoestrogens may not be a great
choice in large quantities)...vegetarians don't eat birds, either.
Vegans are in a much worse predicament.

I wonder: when the lab grown beef muscle cells (currently only being
made in large sheets and then rolled and compressed into a loaf) really
hit the market, will vegans buy it? I certainly will (I don't eat
mammals and soy is pretty icky more than once a week).

Ari

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David Cohen wrote:
> "good_man" <good_man_101 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote
>
>> Hi, I am 27 year old thin vegetarian guy. I want to gain weight
>>and build muscle. Can you please help me with the following questions?
>>
>> Where can I find help regarding diet and recipies? I have baught
>>whey protein powder.
>
>
> You DO realize that whey protein comes from cows?
>
> Maybe you need to define your "vegetarianism" for us first.
>
> David
>
>

Vegetarians eat dairy and eggs (in the current usage...sometimes fish,
too) and a new-ish word has popped up for those that don't eat anything
from an animal source: vegans.

Ari

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"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus.RemoveThis@_yahoo_.com> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>> "good_man" <good_man_101.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>>> Hi, I am 27 year old thin vegetarian guy. I want to gain weight
>>>and build muscle. Can you please help me with the following questions?
>>>
>>> Where can I find help regarding diet and recipies? I have baught
>>>whey protein powder.
>>
>> You DO realize that whey protein comes from cows?
>>
>> Maybe you need to define your "vegetarianism" for us first.
>
> Vegetarians eat dairy and eggs (in the current usage...sometimes fish,
> too) and a new-ish word has popped up for those that don't eat anything
> from an animal source: vegans.

While I'm certainly willing to accept those definitions, many "vegetarians"
have their own definitions, so, I find it best to ask.

David
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Ari <spodosaurus RemoveThis @_yahoo_.com> wrote:
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>Vegetarians eat dairy and eggs (in the current usage...
>sometimes fish, too) and a new-ish word has popped
>up for those that don't eat anything from an animal
>source: vegans.

The term vegan has been around for years, but I suppose "new-ish"
offers a generous window.

- Lacto-Ovo Vegetarian: does not eat meat, fish or fowl. Eats dairy
and egg products.
- Ovo Vegetarian: does not eat meat, fish, fowl or dairy products.
Eats egg products.
- Lacto Vegetarian: does not eat meat, fish, fowl or eggs. Eats dairy
products.
- Vegan: does not eat any animal products including meat, fish, fowl,
eggs, dairy, honey, etc. Most vegans do not use any animal products
such as silk, leather, wool, etc. as well.

People who say something like, "I'm a vegetarian, but, hey, I still
eat fish." are in denial. They're not vegetarians - they're just
people who don't eat chicken, beef, and pork.
"No-chicken-beef-or-pork-arian" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue,
though.

I was a vegetarian for 18 months, cutting out dairy and eggs toward
the end, but never called myself a vegan as I was never diligent
enough to stare at the labels to decipher whether there was some egg
this or dairy that hidden in the ingredients.

My brother's one cookoutBBQbirthday extravaganza put an end to my year
and a half of "healthy" eating.

Good.

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good_man wrote:
> I do not eat any food that involves killing animals(I am not intending
> to offend anyone, just answering your question). I don't mind if you or
> anyone else eats meat.
>

What about dairy and eggs?

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neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/
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