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rock_bustin

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:02 am
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Greetings,

I am as described in the header, but I'm making progress. My question
is this:
Back when I last worked out (and that Austrian guy was going for win #7
- yes,
that long ago) I am SURE the process was, in EACH session --
Lift your MAX to failure and then keep going with lesser & lesser
weights.

Now my kids tell me ( and seems some here say) the opposite -
EACH Session --Start Lite and work up to your Max weights.

Which is it?

I could almost swear it used to be number 1 and I even seem to remember
some vids of
Arnie or maybe Franco barely able to lift the bar alone they were so
fatigued. Not sure
of that though. It is certainly how I would *like* to work-out if
there's no diff.

If it matters, I'm just out to build some upper body mass at home with
free weights and
a bench and whatever works at home. Fat Bellies need DIET a whole lot
more than
exercise to slim. I'm not asking for diet advise or "total life
makeovers" type stuff no matter
how important you may think it is. Just the answer to my question.

Please accept my respectful thanks in advance,

Rock_Bustin

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Andrzej Rosa

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:43 pm
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Dnia 2006-11-15 rock_bustin RemoveThis @yahoo.com napisał(a):
> Greetings,
>
> I am as described in the header, but I'm making progress. My question
> is this:
> Back when I last worked out (and that Austrian guy was going for win #7
> - yes,
> that long ago) I am SURE the process was, in EACH session --
> Lift your MAX to failure and then keep going with lesser & lesser
> weights.
>
> Now my kids tell me ( and seems some here say) the opposite -
> EACH Session --Start Lite and work up to your Max weights.
>
> Which is it?
>
> I could almost swear it used to be number 1 and I even seem to remember

You are way to old for #1.

> some vids of
> Arnie or maybe Franco barely able to lift the bar alone they were so
> fatigued. Not sure
> of that though. It is certainly how I would *like* to work-out if
> there's no diff.

The only diff is a burnout. This max every workout is an American
invention. Nations which regularly kick American asses in strength
sports have different idea about maxing out. They do it sparingly.
Though, going to failure on high rep sets is not so bad, but not all
the time. It will still burn you out. I recommend doing sets with the
same weight and going near failure only on the last one (or maybe two,
but that's it).

> If it matters, I'm just out to build some upper body mass at home with
> free weights and
> a bench and whatever works at home.

Plenty of things work at home. Remember to balance your routine.
Horizontal push, like bench, should be balanced with horizontal pull,
like row. Shoulders like it a lot. I'd say, that your one-armed
dumbbell row should be at least equal to your dumbbell bench.

> Fat Bellies need DIET a whole lot
> more than
> exercise to slim.

Walking works too. Weights mostly add weight to your frame, but
happily they add good looking weight. For fat burning I'd recommend
short rest intervals and supersets. Or complexes, if you are up to
them. It's possible to have good "fat-burning" workout with weights.

What I wanted to say? Probably that high energy expenditure makes
dieting much more effective or something like that. Anyway, I didn't
diet and lost some fat and gained some muscles. I wasn't obese, but
still seeing how my weight gaining approach fails in spite of trying to
eat more gives me this kind of perspective. Before gaining muscles it
looked like putting on weight was no problem at all. I had to control
myself, now I don't have to, and probably some force feeding will be in
order.

Muscle mass makes things easier. Really.

> I'm not asking for diet advise or "total life
> makeovers" type stuff no matter
> how important you may think it is. Just the answer to my question.

Did I smell some trauma? Wink

> Please accept my respectful thanks in advance,

You are very kind.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:56 am
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rock_bustin RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I am as described in the header, but I'm making progress. My question
> is this:
> Back when I last worked out (and that Austrian guy was going for win #7
> - yes,
> that long ago) I am SURE the process was, in EACH session --
> Lift your MAX to failure and then keep going with lesser & lesser
> weights.
>
> Now my kids tell me ( and seems some here say) the opposite -
> EACH Session --Start Lite and work up to your Max weights.
>
> Which is it?
>
> I could almost swear it used to be number 1 and I even seem to remember
> some vids of
> Arnie or maybe Franco barely able to lift the bar alone they were so
> fatigued. Not sure
> of that though. It is certainly how I would *like* to work-out if
> there's no diff.
>
> If it matters, I'm just out to build some upper body mass at home with
> free weights and
> a bench and whatever works at home. Fat Bellies need DIET a whole lot
> more than
> exercise to slim. I'm not asking for diet advise or "total life
> makeovers" type stuff no matter
> how important you may think it is. Just the answer to my question.
>
> Please accept my respectful thanks in advance,
>
> Rock_Bustin
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 12:56 am
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rock_bustin RemoveThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I am as described in the header, but I'm making progress. My question
> is this:
> Back when I last worked out (and that Austrian guy was going for win #7
> - yes,
> that long ago) I am SURE the process was, in EACH session --
> Lift your MAX to failure and then keep going with lesser & lesser
> weights.
>
> Now my kids tell me ( and seems some here say) the opposite -
> EACH Session --Start Lite and work up to your Max weights.
>
> Which is it?
>
> I could almost swear it used to be number 1 and I even seem to remember
> some vids of
> Arnie or maybe Franco barely able to lift the bar alone they were so
> fatigued. Not sure
> of that though. It is certainly how I would *like* to work-out if
> there's no diff.
>
> If it matters, I'm just out to build some upper body mass at home with
> free weights and
> a bench and whatever works at home. Fat Bellies need DIET a whole lot
> more than
> exercise to slim. I'm not asking for diet advise or "total life
> makeovers" type stuff no matter
> how important you may think it is. Just the answer to my question.
>
> Please accept my respectful thanks in advance,
>
> Rock_Bustin
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 1:11 am
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dwsouthpa....RemoveThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> rock_bustin.RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I am as described in the header, but I'm making progress. My question
> > is this:
> > Back when I last worked out (and that Austrian guy was going for win #7
> > - yes,
> > that long ago) I am SURE the process was, in EACH session --
> > Lift your MAX to failure and then keep going with lesser & lesser
> > weights.
> >
> > Now my kids tell me ( and seems some here say) the opposite -
> > EACH Session --Start Lite and work up to your Max weights.
> >
> > Which is it?
> >
> > I could almost swear it used to be number 1 and I even seem to remember
> > some vids of


I hope I'm doin this properly, your askin about weight training,
well, your not lookin for a diet, your goin for the look, well I
started at 189 lbs and in less than a year I managed to get up to
263lbs, what a freak hey, well I'm 70 lbs in muscle mass heavier....
total failure is a good option but there is the resk of injury if your
body isn't ready for it the best way I found to get the job done is
resetent training, lighter weight , but upon downs count to three , for
example if you were doin curls when bring the bar down do it slowly
counting 1 mississippi, down to 3, then repeat that, on a sercut of 3
or 4 . Want strength and toned large muscles it worked for me and all
the guys and gals I work out with, I work out hard mornin and evening 5
days a week,
> > Arnie or maybe Franco barely able to lift the bar alone they were so
> > fatigued. Not sure
> > of that though. It is certainly how I would *like* to work-out if
> > there's no diff.
> >
> > If it matters, I'm just out to build some upper body mass at home with
> > free weights and
> > a bench and whatever works at home. Fat Bellies need DIET a whole lot
> > more than
> > exercise to slim. I'm not asking for diet advise or "total life
> > makeovers" type stuff no matter
> > how important you may think it is. Just the answer to my question.
> >
> > Please accept my respectful thanks in advance,
> >
> > Rock_Bustin
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 7:20 am
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Hey Guys,

Thx for the replies. Sorry for the lousy text formatting, it is the
curse of using Google Groups at work rather than Agent which
I use at home.I want to reply to your answers partly because I
see I should be more specific about what I'm asking and partly
because I had some trouble with your english
( No offense as Eng. is my only lang.)

By "Heavy to Lite" I mean:
1. Take weight of x ( where x = your max weight in good form) and
do sets of 10/12 reps until failure ( ok to rest between, but
short rests). "Failure" is relative; Failure means I can no
longer
do full sets or proper form at that given weight.

2. Take weight of 1/2 x and repeat above.

3. Take weight of 1/4 x and as above.

Do complete and varied as possible routine at each given weight and
work on bench stuff like crunches and sit-ups in between lifting to
allow upper body recovery.

Now that's how I thought it was done but my kids say their Gym
Teachers say the opposite. It seems to me Andrzej is saying kids are
right; Do high reps of lower weights. Yes ?

It seems that dwsouthpa is saying 1st choice is OK, but consider
form & balance as more essential to mass gain than style of heavy to
lite vs. lite to heavy.

Did I get you two both correct ? Have I made myself understood ?

Thanks again and have a great day,

Rock_Bustin
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2006 4:08 pm
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Dnia 2006-11-16 rock_bustin napisał(a):
> Now that's how I thought it was done but my kids say their Gym
> Teachers say the opposite. It seems to me Andrzej is saying kids are
> right; Do high reps of lower weights. Yes ?

Not necessarily high reps. I say that you should reach failure at the
last rep of your last set. Only one set is to failure. Fixed weight
throughout all sets.

> It seems that dwsouthpa is saying 1st choice is OK,

He's also saying that he gained 70 lbs of muscles in less than a year.
He's saying that he trains balls to the wall 10 times a week. I have a
feeling that he forgot to mention something crucial in his post, like
playing darts, or something...

> but consider
> form & balance as more essential to mass gain than style of heavy to
> lite vs. lite to heavy.

Both can be used. Separately or together.

> Did I get you two both correct ? Have I made myself understood ?

I think so.

> Thanks again and have a great day,

The same to you.

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Nov 17, 2006 9:01 pm
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Bully,

Thanks for chosing to reply. Please enlighten me on what you
think is the best way to accomplish the goals I listed with basic
at-home equipment (i.e., bench and set of dumbbells and me).
If your advise requires gym-memberships, expensive home gym
Machines, or anything unlikely to be practical in one area of a
suburban basement it won't work for me. Beyond that, I'm all ears.

Have a great weekend Guy,

Andrew (from home this time)
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