Steroid question, newbie

wrote:
> Ive never done steroids, but i am in an amotiovated state and am having
> trouble getting going with workout/diet. My bodyfat is fairly

You think steroids are going to help with the motivation? You need to
get that right first.
Train hard, eat right, lose the fat, then reassess.

> high,although i have a big frame. ive only been weight training for
> about 1-2 months, first time in a long time. Im considering doing some

1-2 months?
After a 4-5 year layoff?
You need to hit the gym hard for the next 12 months, then think about
it.

> Im looking to "speed up" my fitness goals. Its very important i be in
> good shape for the spring.

So you've got about 16 weeks. You can lose 30 pounds in that time if
you train hard.
What's the big rush anyway?

> In your opinion, does this sound like a good idea? Any suggestions?

No.
See above.


Stu
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Stu wrote:
> wrote:
> > Ive never done steroids, but i am in an amotiovated state and am having
> > trouble getting going with workout/diet. My bodyfat is fairly
>
> You think steroids are going to help with the motivation? You need to
> get that right first.
> Train hard, eat right, lose the fat, then reassess.

Thx for the response, Stu. I have developed alot of probs in the last 5
years, and I am kind of desperate. Depression etc. Isnt it possible the
gear will help me get more energized, more motivated,have a better
sense of well being?


>
> > high,although i have a big frame. ive only been weight training for
> > about 1-2 months, first time in a long time. Im considering doing some
>
> 1-2 months?
> After a 4-5 year layoff?
> You need to hit the gym hard for the next 12 months, then think about
> it.
>

Well, ive done some exercise and weight training as recently as 2 years
ago,but it was on and off, i was not dedicated.
Have you ever heard of steroids/supplements being used like this, to
"jumpstart"?
Are they wasted if you take them when you are out of shape, but
training?


> > Im looking to "speed up" my fitness goals. Its very important i be in
> > good shape for the spring.
>
> So you've got about 16 weeks. You can lose 30 pounds in that time if
> you train hard.
> What's the big rush anyway?

Yes, I know that. I was hoping i would get advanced gains with the
gear. Maybe lose 40 lbs plus put on some extra muscle. It would help
with workout recovery, for sure.
Isnt it true that testosterone supplementation can help with weight
loss? Especially cypoinate as opposed to bulking steroids like deca?

What if i just got a bunch of clenbuterol, and armour thyroid, nothing
else- is that a better idea?
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Stu wrote:
[...]

> If you're suffering with depression I wouldn't recommend screwing
> around with your body chemistry... I'd recommend cognitive behavioural
> therapy.
>
> The fact that you're wanting to get into shape is a good thing. Lack of
> motivation probably comes from your depression. A change in your
> thought processes and getting active is going to help and is where you
> should start.
>
> Or you could try steroids, and get disappointed (and more depressed)
> when you don't get the gains that you expect because you don't know
> enough yet...

[...]

Not that I disagree with your analysis, however I am curious about your
background. On what do you base your assumptions or your opinion wrt to
the OP and AAS?

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Curt wrote:
> Not that I disagree with your analysis, however I am curious about your
> background. On what do you base your assumptions or your opinion wrt to
> the OP and AAS?

Which bits?
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Pete wrote:
> "Stu" schreef:

> > See above.
>
> Its up to you now, OP.
>
> Although i have to admit that a grown man looking for approval to do this is
> a bit weird.
>

It might sound like im "looking for approval" lol, but im just trying
to gather info. I dont want to waste $ on gear,that wont help much if
im out of shape,or even cause problems.

My cycle is like this:
7 weeks test cyp 250 mg 2x a week
Arimidex .5 mg 4x week, flax seed oil daily(ive heard its a mild
antiestrogen)
HCG kit- 3 weeks post cycle, continuing arimidex, but tapering.
(btw, can HCG "reset" your natural test production at a higher level?)

Armour thyroid will be used carefully, on and off during cycle.
I might get a vial of deca too, and extend the cycle to 11 weeks using
both.
Do you think i need more anti estrogens considering my high bodyfat?
Any other suggestions, for post cycle?
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Pete wrote:
> schreef:

>
> The usual recommendation for that "hard look", is to take Anavar, Primo or
> Winstrol. Not everybody agrees about this, but its a fact these dont
> aromatize at all. O yeah, trenbolone.


yes, I was looking into winstrol, but im not sure of a good,reliable
source.

>
> > I will be doing more bodyweight exercises,and hitting the heavy bag plus
> > cardio. Of
> > course i will still do free weights,but my goal is not bodybuilding,or
> > getting bulked up.
>
> Then why bother to take test?

I thought it will help me keep muscle as i shed fat,which it should
help with some. Plus the psychological effects. But i dont have a
problem bulking up, and my goal is not to get get huge,just get
reasonably solid, between 180-195.



>
> > Ive heard testosterone can help with fat loss,as long as you eat right.
>
> Yes, androgens can do that.
>
> The exact mechanism is not clear to me, but androgens defenitely help you
> burning fat.
> They are NOT magical fat-burners, though. the effect is a bit overrated. Its
> more dramatic in women.
>
> IMO, best thing you can do, is to take something that binds well, and
> preserve as much as possible while on a diet. Together with efedrine or some
> other fat burner/energizer.
>
> > btw, I have a good source for the gear, good quality, good deal.
>
> There is no such thing as "good quality." You either get the real stuff or
> you dont.

It is in the sealed box from Pharmacia, im pretty sure its real.

>
> > It very important that i get in shape,within a limited time frame of 4
> > months. In your opinion, does this sound like a good idea? Any
> > suggestions?
>
> Sure.
>
> You have 4 months, right?
>
> Use the test to "bulk up." Add orals if you wish. Do this for 2 months. Eat
> anything in sight.
> Switch to Primo. Take a high dose the first 2 weeks. Followed by half the
> dose week 3 and 4.
>
> Thats 2 months.
>
> Take the Pregnyl in week 9-10, Clomid in 11-12. You mentioned arimidex.
> Take that during the course of the test, switch to Proviron while on Primo.
>
> If possible, switch to orals after the Primo injections. Take 2 dosages
> daily for 2 weeks. Best to take a dosage upon awakening, followed by another
> doage 4 hours later. By the time you go to sleep, most of it will be out of
> the system.
> Then switch to one dosage daily for another 2. Then you stop.
>
> 4 months.
>
> And you wont end up feeling depressed. You will be happy instead.
> IMO, i would do this in 6 months. Use the test for 3 months. Then Primo
> injections for 6 weeks, (with the first 3 weeks Pregnyl, last 3 weeks
> Clomid) then orals for 6 weeks. Any oral will do, as long as it doesnt
> aromatize.
>
>
> Good luck.
>
> ----
> Pete


I appreciate it, of course i dont have any reliable source for the
Primo, Clomid etc.
If you know of a decent source, feel free to send an email.
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Pete wrote:
> schreef:

>
> The usual recommendation for that "hard look", is to take Anavar, Primo or
> Winstrol. Not everybody agrees about this, but its a fact these dont
> aromatize at all. O yeah, trenbolone.


yes, I was looking into winstrol, but im not sure of a good,reliable
source.

>
> > I will be doing more bodyweight exercises,and hitting the heavy bag plus
> > cardio. Of
> > course i will still do free weights,but my goal is not bodybuilding,or
> > getting bulked up.
>
> Then why bother to take test?

I thought it will help me keep muscle as i shed fat,which it should
help with some. Plus the psychological effects. But i dont have a
problem bulking up, and my goal is not to get get huge,just get
reasonably solid, between 180-195.



>
> > Ive heard testosterone can help with fat loss,as long as you eat right.
>
> Yes, androgens can do that.
>
> The exact mechanism is not clear to me, but androgens defenitely help you
> burning fat.
> They are NOT magical fat-burners, though. the effect is a bit overrated. Its
> more dramatic in women.
>
> IMO, best thing you can do, is to take something that binds well, and
> preserve as much as possible while on a diet. Together with efedrine or some
> other fat burner/energizer.
>
> > btw, I have a good source for the gear, good quality, good deal.
>
> There is no such thing as "good quality." You either get the real stuff or
> you dont.

It is in the sealed box from Pharmacia, im pretty sure its real.

>
> > It very important that i get in shape,within a limited time frame of 4
> > months. In your opinion, does this sound like a good idea? Any
> > suggestions?
>
> Sure.
>
> You have 4 months, right?
>
> Use the test to "bulk up." Add orals if you wish. Do this for 2 months. Eat
> anything in sight.
> Switch to Primo. Take a high dose the first 2 weeks. Followed by half the
> dose week 3 and 4.
>
> Thats 2 months.
>
> Take the Pregnyl in week 9-10, Clomid in 11-12. You mentioned arimidex.
> Take that during the course of the test, switch to Proviron while on Primo.
>
> If possible, switch to orals after the Primo injections. Take 2 dosages
> daily for 2 weeks. Best to take a dosage upon awakening, followed by another
> doage 4 hours later. By the time you go to sleep, most of it will be out of
> the system.
> Then switch to one dosage daily for another 2. Then you stop.
>
> 4 months.
>
> And you wont end up feeling depressed. You will be happy instead.
> IMO, i would do this in 6 months. Use the test for 3 months. Then Primo
> injections for 6 weeks, (with the first 3 weeks Pregnyl, last 3 weeks
> Clomid) then orals for 6 weeks. Any oral will do, as long as it doesnt
> aromatize.
>
>
> Good luck.
>
> ----
> Pete


I appreciate it, of course i dont have any reliable source for the
Primo, Clomid etc.
If you know of a decent source, feel free to send an email.
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Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2006-11-09 Pete napisa³(a):
> > "Stu" schreef:
> >
> >>> Thx for the response, Stu. I have developed alot of probs in the last 5
> >>> years, and I am kind of desperate. Depression etc. Isnt it possible the
> >
> >> If you're suffering with depression I wouldn't recommend screwing
> >> around with your body chemistry...
> >
> > Do you think that screwing with your mind, which IS what psychiatrists do,
> > and then screw with your biocheistry at the serotonin level is a better
> > option?
> >
> > Many men around 45 have low test. Which results in low libodo and
> > depression. If you give them anti-depressants, it can cuase impotence. Some
> > cause hyper-prolactinemy, after which test takesanother nosedive.
> >
> > Thank but...No thanks!
>
> Pete, you are right with bringing down antidepressants (they are just a
> fancy placebos with a lot of side effects), but it doest not make
> steroids that much better option. The therapy Stu advocated is not
> dangerous; they basically teach people how to control their thought
> pattern, which at worst may not help much.
>
> Steroids, on the other hand, can kill him.
>
> >> I'd recommend cognitive behavioural
> >> therapy.
> >
> > I am very sceptical about this whole "cognitive" thing...
>
> You may treat it as a safe placebo if you like. The main point is,
> that this "cognitive" thing is quite safe, contrary to steroid _cycle_.
>

Ive done CBT, REBT -Rational Emotive Behavioral Therapy(Albert Ellis)
etc Im very familiar with these kinds of therapies,and try to apply
them in my life with some success.
Ive had these problems(depression etc) for mkost of my adult life,but
ive been much more physically worn down over the last 4-5 yrs.
Aches,lethargic etc.The mind ,spirit is connected to the body. I know
physical activity helps,but its very hard for me to get going at this
point. I was thinking a intelligently done AS cycle may help kickstart
me into at least rebuilding my physical health.
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Will Brink wrote:
> In article ,
> wrote:
>
>
> > In your opinion, does this sound like a good idea? Any suggestions?
>
> Are you trying to find people to talk you out of this idea or talk you
> into it? Define "good idea"?

I am partial to trying it, as im completely amotivated. It probably
will motivate me,knowing im taking these substances.
OTOH, im trying to get others experiences and opinions- if its going to
be a total waste, or even damaging, i need to know that.
So far,here and on other forums,most ppl say train for a year then
consider AS. Im considering training clean for another month and go
ahead with a cycle. As long as im smart about it, i should get some
benefit, plus added motivation. Right now, im still gathering info.
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In article ,
wrote:


> In your opinion, does this sound like a good idea? Any suggestions?

Are you trying to find people to talk you out of this idea or talk you
into it? Define "good idea"?
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schreef:

> ive only been weight training for
> about 1-2 months, first time in a long time. Im considering doing some
> testosterone cypoinate for 7 weeks,followed by hcg...

Followed by anything else?

> also using some armour thyroid during the cycle. Ill also be using some
> arimidex to
> prevent aromatization.

Whats the dosage? I mean the test.

> Im looking to "speed up" my fitness goals. Its very important i be in
> good shape for the spring.
> My main goals is to build muscle,and lose fat until im below 195. So i
> need to lose about 40-50 fat,plus gain muscle.
> Im not looking to get huge muscle-wise, just solid.

The usual recommendation for that "hard look", is to take Anavar, Primo or
Winstrol. Not everybody agrees about this, but its a fact these dont
aromatize at all. O yeah, trenbolone.

> I will be doing more bodyweight exercises,and hitting the heavy bag plus
> cardio. Of
> course i will still do free weights,but my goal is not bodybuilding,or
> getting bulked up.

Then why bother to take test?

> Ive heard testosterone can help with fat loss,as long as you eat right.

Yes, androgens can do that.

The exact mechanism is not clear to me, but androgens defenitely help you
burning fat.
They are NOT magical fat-burners, though. the effect is a bit overrated. Its
more dramatic in women.

IMO, best thing you can do, is to take something that binds well, and
preserve as much as possible while on a diet. Together with efedrine or some
other fat burner/energizer.

> btw, I have a good source for the gear, good quality, good deal.

There is no such thing as "good quality." You either get the real stuff or
you dont.

> It very important that i get in shape,within a limited time frame of 4
> months. In your opinion, does this sound like a good idea? Any
> suggestions?

Sure.

You have 4 months, right?

Use the test to "bulk up." Add orals if you wish. Do this for 2 months. Eat
anything in sight.
Switch to Primo. Take a high dose the first 2 weeks. Followed by half the
dose week 3 and 4.

Thats 2 months.

Take the Pregnyl in week 9-10, Clomid in 11-12. You mentioned arimidex.
Take that during the course of the test, switch to Proviron while on Primo.

If possible, switch to orals after the Primo injections. Take 2 dosages
daily for 2 weeks. Best to take a dosage upon awakening, followed by another
doage 4 hours later. By the time you go to sleep, most of it will be out of
the system.
Then switch to one dosage daily for another 2. Then you stop.

4 months.

And you wont end up feeling depressed. You will be happy instead.
IMO, i would do this in 6 months. Use the test for 3 months. Then Primo
injections for 6 weeks, (with the first 3 weeks Pregnyl, last 3 weeks
Clomid) then orals for 6 weeks. Any oral will do, as long as it doesnt
aromatize.


Good luck.

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"Stu" schreef:

>> Ive never done steroids, but i am in an amotiovated state and am having
>> trouble getting going with workout/diet. My bodyfat is fairly

> You think steroids are going to help with the motivation?

Well...eh, yes.

It might be a little risky to say that left and right, but they really do.
They do have an effect on the CNS.
Again, just like the fat burning properties, its a bit overrated. And with
nandrlone...
Which is why you always should take Proviron with nandrolone. But that is
just a personal opinion.

> You need to get that right first.
> Train hard, eat right, lose the fat, then reassess.

You can do all the above in 2-3 months ;-O

>> high,although i have a big frame. ive only been weight training for
>> about 1-2 months, first time in a long time. Im considering doing some

> 1-2 months?
> After a 4-5 year layoff?

Muscle memory and AS are a magical combination. They really are.

> You need to hit the gym hard for the next 12 months, then think about it.

Well, he seem to have several years under his belt.

>> Im looking to "speed up" my fitness goals. Its very important i be in
>> good shape for the spring.

> So you've got about 16 weeks. You can lose 30 pounds in that time if
> you train hard.

Yes, but if you do this without additional androgens, you use LBM as well.
Especially if you lose it that fast.

> What's the big rush anyway?

Ah, well...

>> In your opinion, does this sound like a good idea? Any suggestions?

> No.
> See above.

Its up to you now, OP.

Although i have to admit that a grown man looking for approval to do this is
a bit weird.

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"Curt" schreef:

> People suffering with depression are found "screwing around" with their
> body chemistry all the time. Alcohol, drugs - both prescription and
> otherwise, diet... would there be an et cetera in there somewhere?

I agree wth this.

Psychiatrists otften screw around, with your mind, AND chemistry.

But it gives them a sense of power, which is why they chose that particular
proffession. Most often, these people had very low self-esteem in the past,
and fix that problem by controlloing others.

> I'd like to know your background about the bits, as you say, re
> steroids. Does AAS use typically disappoint users and then lead to
> greater levels of depression? Again, what's your background to make
> such a judgment? I'm interested in what makes your opinion worthwhile.
> Steroid use linked to depression?

Actually, its ZERO test that is linked to depression.

If you take, lets say, 500mg test together with some orals for 3 months,
then stop, you might get some problems.

These things are very easy to circumvent. I desribed it in my initial
response.

> Likewise taking AAS when you're out of shape, but training. Who says?
> Who are... you?

> Regardless of my curiosity wrt your background, I do agree with your
> opinion that the OP would do well to train hard over the next 12 months
> while performing that "LOTS of research."

It has been *proven* several times that androgens, especially taken around
the age 40-45, improves memoery and other thought process.

So, a little androgens while doing that research might not be such a bad
idea ;-O

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