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That's actually how the U.S. Army counts a push-up. They are actually
very particular about having your head "up" -- that is, not look down
at the floor, which I understand is a bad position for your neck --
but they do allow that kind of bouncing, like in the video you linked,
where half of any work done is utilizing momentum.

As for what this lady does, it's weird even for a bodyweight squat,
seeing how she's got her hands on her thighs for support -- if not
actually pushing off of them, too!



On Dec 30, 5:38 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
> Hey yalls,
>
> Not convinced that this is anything i'd call a squat:
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=C4yQGxFJKw4
>
> But hey, i'm not complaining - it's a functional exercise.
>
> tom
>
> --
> We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets
> of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, and a
> whole galaxy of multi colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... and
> also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw
> ether and two dozen amyls. Not that we needed all this for the trip,
> but once you get locked in a serious drug collection, the tendency is
> to push it as far as you can. -- Hunter S. Thompson, 'Fear and loathing
> in Las Vegas'
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On Dec 31, 12:57 am, Prisoner at War
wrote:
> That's actually how the U.S. Army counts a push-up. They are actually
> very particular about having your head "up" -- that is, not look down
> at the floor, which I understand is a bad position for your neck --
>
> <SNIP>


Just to clarify: having your head "up," as the Army insists, is what I
understand to be bad for the neck. The more natural and ergonomic
position of facing the floor or just slightly ahead (as opposed to
fully "up") is seen by the Army as cheating because it somehow makes
the movement easier...despite, again, their allowing for bouncing off
your elbows and using momentum!
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On Dec 31, 2:05 am, redc1c4 wrote:
>
>
> that's different from every APFT i ever took.

What's different?

> you have to keep your body straight from the shoulders to the heels, you
> can only rest in the "up" position, and if either of your palms or feet leave
> the ground, you are done right there.

I'm talking about the position of the head.

The other one.

> also, in order for a pushup to count, you must break the plane of your elbows
> on the down stroke* AND make it all the way back up to where your elbows lock.
> also, you can't touch the ground with any part of your body besides the palms
> and toes.

When knocking out 70+ push-ups in 2 mikes, no one checks to see if
your elbows are locked. Though I doubt that's actually a
requirement....

> redc1c4,
> (*certain female soldiers are exempt from this requirement...... %-)
> --
> "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
> considerable watching."
>
> Army Officer's Guide
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On Dec 31, 4:06 am, redc1c4 wrote:
>
>
> unless there has ben a change, your head can be in any position you wish, as
> long as it doesn't touch the ground.

What I'm referring to is back during my TIS '93-'96. You were
supposed to keep your head "up," as in looking forward and not down on
the floor, which is the more natural position and the recommended
one. This was how they tested at Benning, and at Carson.

> try reading the regs. that's what they say.... if the people administering the
> test don't do it to standard that's a leadership issue.

I can only assume the drill and platoon sergeants know what they're
doing. Frankly, I'd never even considered that the Army had a field
manual on the push-up, though I shouldn't be surprised if it did.

> redc1c4,
> one advantage of old age: you don't have to do 70 pushups. %-)

GEN Petraeus is reported as knocking out 81 in 90 seconds by the
current issue of "Runner's World" magazine -- after running over 5
miles at under six minutes a mile! I'm sure he utilized a lot of
momentum on his push-ups, which is what the APFT encourages, given the
way it's set up as a "speed test," but that's still an impressive
achievement for an old fella, even if he is probably a featherweight.

I wonder whether he had his head up...that's much more difficult --
not to mention, bad for the neck.

> --
> "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
> considerable watching."
>
> Army Officer's Guide
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wrote:
>
> On Dec 31, 12:57 am, Prisoner at War
> wrote:
> > That's actually how the U.S. Army counts a push-up. They are actually
> > very particular about having your head "up" -- that is, not look down
> > at the floor, which I understand is a bad position for your neck --
> >
> > <SNIP>
>
> Just to clarify: having your head "up," as the Army insists, is what I
> understand to be bad for the neck. The more natural and ergonomic
> position of facing the floor or just slightly ahead (as opposed to
> fully "up") is seen by the Army as cheating because it somehow makes
> the movement easier...despite, again, their allowing for bouncing off
> your elbows and using momentum!

that's different from every APFT i ever took.

you have to keep your body straight from the shoulders to the heels, you
can only rest in the "up" position, and if either of your palms or feet leave
the ground, you are done right there.

also, in order for a pushup to count, you must break the plane of your elbows
on the down stroke* AND make it all the way back up to where your elbows lock.
also, you can't touch the ground with any part of your body besides the palms
and toes.

redc1c4,
(*certain female soldiers are exempt from this requirement...... %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide
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wrote:
>
> On Dec 31, 2:05 am, redc1c4 wrote:
> >
> >
> > that's different from every APFT i ever took.
>
> What's different?
>
> > you have to keep your body straight from the shoulders to the heels, you
> > can only rest in the "up" position, and if either of your palms or feet leave
> > the ground, you are done right there.
>
> I'm talking about the position of the head.
>
> The other one.

unless there has ben a change, your head can be in any position you wish, as
long as it doesn't touch the ground.

> > also, in order for a pushup to count, you must break the plane of your elbows
> > on the down stroke* AND make it all the way back up to where your elbows lock.
> > also, you can't touch the ground with any part of your body besides the palms
> > and toes.
>
> When knocking out 70+ push-ups in 2 mikes, no one checks to see if
> your elbows are locked. Though I doubt that's actually a
> requirement....

try reading the regs. that's what they say.... if the people administering the
test don't do it to standard that's a leadership issue.

redc1c4,
one advantage of old age: you don't have to do 70 pushups. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide
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> wrote:
>>

>> When knocking out 70+ push-ups in 2 mikes, no one checks to see if
>> your elbows are locked. Though I doubt that's actually a
>> requirement....

If the grader is doing his/her job they are.

One way to tell if the APFT is being properly administered is to check
to see of the scorers are crouched down so thy can observe that the
plane is broken and the elbows fully lock.

I established a 'certified APFT scorer' program at my unit - primarily
to ensure that my soldiers were prepared for the APFT they will get at
WLC, BNOC, ANOC etc.


--
There can be no triumph without loss.
No victory without suffering.
No freedom without sacrifice.
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This reminds me of this article I read written by a doctor.
A local prison had suddenly had several cases of prisoner complaining
of severe
leg pain. Also, the prisoners were also pissing blood.

Whay had happened was the prisoners, not having much to do, decided
to engage in a deep knee bend competition.
They pushed themselves to the point past which the muscle cell could
take up oxygen and the muscle
cell in their thighs all died.

Can you imagine ?

The dead muscle cells began dissolving and the body was flushing them
out through the urine.

The doctor said that the cells probably wouldn't be replaced.

The moral of the story ?.....moderation people.
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In article , redc1c4
@drunkenbastards.org.ies says...
> wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 31, 12:57 am, Prisoner at War
> > wrote:
> > > That's actually how the U.S. Army counts a push-up. They are actually
> > > very particular about having your head "up" -- that is, not look down
> > > at the floor, which I understand is a bad position for your neck --
> > >
> > > <SNIP>
> >
> > Just to clarify: having your head "up," as the Army insists, is what I
> > understand to be bad for the neck. The more natural and ergonomic
> > position of facing the floor or just slightly ahead (as opposed to
> > fully "up") is seen by the Army as cheating because it somehow makes
> > the movement easier...despite, again, their allowing for bouncing off
> > your elbows and using momentum!
>
> that's different from every APFT i ever took.

Nor any I have taken.

>
> you have to keep your body straight from the shoulders to the heels, you
> can only rest in the "up" position, and if either of your palms or feet leave
> the ground, you are done right there.
>
> also, in order for a pushup to count, you must break the plane of your elbows
> on the down stroke* AND make it all the way back up to where your elbows lock.
> also, you can't touch the ground with any part of your body besides the palms
> and toes.

It wouldn't be the first time some over zelious wanna be made troops do
pushup that didn't fit the reg..





>
> redc1c4,
> (*certain female soldiers are exempt from this requirement...... %-)

We had one at the HHD that never did a "legal" push up the whole two
years I was there...
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In article , redc1c4
@drunkenbastards.org.ies says...
> wrote:
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2:05 am, redc1c4 wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > that's different from every APFT i ever took.
> >
> > What's different?
> >
> > > you have to keep your body straight from the shoulders to the heels, you
> > > can only rest in the "up" position, and if either of your palms or feet leave
> > > the ground, you are done right there.
> >
> > I'm talking about the position of the head.
> >
> > The other one.
>
> unless there has ben a change, your head can be in any position you wish, as
> long as it doesn't touch the ground.

>
> > > also, in order for a pushup to count, you must break the plane of your elbows
> > > on the down stroke* AND make it all the way back up to where your elbows lock.
> > > also, you can't touch the ground with any part of your body besides the palms
> > > and toes.
> >
> > When knocking out 70+ push-ups in 2 mikes, no one checks to see if
> > your elbows are locked. Though I doubt that's actually a
> > requirement....

>
> try reading the regs. that's what they say.... if the people administering the
> test don't do it to standard that's a leadership issue.

One should read the verbatum text from the reg and then offer a
demonstration of the exercise before testing.

> redc1c4,
> one advantage of old age: you don't have to do 70 pushups. %-)

Thank god for birthdays...
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On Dec 31, 3:34 pm, redc1c4 wrote:
>
>
> Harmony Church class of '83, B-9-2. i did'em head down, never a problem.

That's '83. They probably made you press your BDUs, too.

> https://atiam.train.army.mil/soldierPortal/atia/adlsc/view/public/950...
>
> you will note that the pic shows the head facing down. anyone who made you do
> it any other way was probably related to the morons who told us running in
> boots was good for you because it hurt.

Yeah, we did those too -- at Benning and Carson! Not regularly, thank
Goodness. And enough "physical fitness knowledge" seemed to have
seeped in for them to have us work different bodyparts on different
days (i.e., push-ups and pull-ups every other day).

> redc1c4,
> when all else fails, RTFM. %-)

WTF are you talking about now? You just follow orders. Yeah, I'd
like to see you wave an Army field manual in the platoon sergeant's
face....

> --
> "Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
> considerable watching."
>
> Army Officer's Guide
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On Dec 31, 7:57 pm, Colin Campbell < (remove
underscore)> wrote:
>
>
> Although head position is not required - common advice given to
> soldiers who do not go down far enough is to keep their heads up. When
> you are looking at the ground you think you are going down farther
> than you really are.

It was explained to us at Benning that looking down makes it easier --
which, being much more ergonomic, it certainly was, but in a good way,
as opposed to the flagrant bouncing (using of momentum) that's allowed
(?!?!).

They did not count any push-up at Benning that was performed with the
head "down."

> --
> There can be no triumph without loss.
> No victory without suffering.
> No freedom without sacrifice.
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On Dec 31, 8:32 pm, tankfixer wrote:
>
>
> Newbie... ;')

Is he implying that he was a Ranger?? 92 MOSes are supply clerks.

> Methinks I smell an artist in this other fellow's posts...

It's your breath backing up. Try to type silently.

> I don't miss doing PT in boots... That is for sure.

I actually like it. It was just what they showed on TV -- "Be All You
Can Be."

The Army should have never dropped that ad jingle.
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