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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 5:47 pm
Post subject: Squat Problem - what is the cause?
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When I squat I don't use much weight (at most I use 185lbs), so I go
to at least parallel if not a little lower.
My normal motion is: I get to the bottom, I pause, and then start to
rise up.
But I noticed something when I squat.
As I start to rise, I move laterally from left to right a bit....but
as I continue to rise, I get back to the middle, but there is
definetly a lateral move in the begining.
Is this because of muscle weakness, lack of flexibility, etc?
I initially thought it was a strength inbalance, but I was doing
bodyweight squats the other day and I noticed I do it when Im squating
without weights also.
What could be causing it, and what should I do to correct it.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:21 am
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In article <1189990076.778016.20810 DeleteThis @k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
tforms1 DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> When I squat I don't use much weight (at most I use 185lbs), so I go
> to at least parallel if not a little lower.
>
> My normal motion is: I get to the bottom, I pause, and then start to
> rise up.
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> But I noticed something when I squat.
>
> As I start to rise, I move laterally from left to right a bit....but
> as I continue to rise, I get back to the middle, but there is
> definetly a lateral move in the begining.
>
> Is this because of muscle weakness, lack of flexibility, etc?
>
> I initially thought it was a strength inbalance, but I was doing
> bodyweight squats the other day and I noticed I do it when Im squating
> without weights also.
>
> What could be causing it, and what should I do to correct it.
>
> Thanks
>
Nobody is perfectly symmetrical. It probably has to do with being that,
as well as lack of flexibility or strength when squatting. You now have
a motor program with a lateral shift built in. Very difficult to change
because what feels right is wrong and what is right feels wrong.
You probably want to do things like statics in the area where you shift,
lighter squats with some sort of guide to where you can focus on a good
bar path and things like that. Basically you have to relearn the
movement and it is tough.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:28 pm
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On Sep 16, 8:47 pm, tfor....RemoveThis@yahoo.com wrote:
> When I squat I don't use much weight (at most I use 185lbs), so I go
> to at least parallel if not a little lower.
>
> My normal motion is: I get to the bottom, I pause, and then start to
> rise up.
>
> But I noticed something when I squat.
>
> As I start to rise, I move laterally from left to right a bit....but
> as I continue to rise, I get back to the middle, but there is
> definetly a lateral move in the begining.
>
> Is this because of muscle weakness, lack of flexibility, etc?
>
> I initially thought it was a strength inbalance, but I was doing
> bodyweight squats the other day and I noticed I do it when Im squating
> without weights also.
>
> What could be causing it, and what should I do to correct it.
>
> Thanks
Happens to me when I'm trying for too much weight. Right now, I squat
at 225-lbs. for five sets of 11-5 reps, and towards those last few
reps on them last couple of sets, sometimes I have a slight initial
lateral movement like what you describe.
Best be careful, though...don't want to pop a knee or something...I
think lateral movements are very dangerous indicators for the
knees....
Of course, what's puzzling is that you have that issue when not using
free weights...so it could be anatomically based, depending on your
body type...perhaps your stance is a bit too wide or narrow...maybe
you're leaning just that bit too far headlong or backwards...main
thing to consider is how it might detract from your performance at the
squat.... >> Stay informed about: Squat Problem - what is the cause? |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:56 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:45 pm
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In article <1190060922.951503.267940 DeleteThis @50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_war DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 16, 8:47 pm, tfor... DeleteThis @yahoo.com wrote:
> > When I squat I don't use much weight (at most I use 185lbs), so I go
> > to at least parallel if not a little lower.
> >
> > My normal motion is: I get to the bottom, I pause, and then start to
> > rise up.
> >
> > But I noticed something when I squat.
> >
> > As I start to rise, I move laterally from left to right a bit....but
> > as I continue to rise, I get back to the middle, but there is
> > definetly a lateral move in the begining.
> >
> > Is this because of muscle weakness, lack of flexibility, etc?
> >
> > I initially thought it was a strength inbalance, but I was doing
> > bodyweight squats the other day and I noticed I do it when Im squating
> > without weights also.
> >
> > What could be causing it, and what should I do to correct it.
> >
> > Thanks
>
>
>
> Happens to me when I'm trying for too much weight. Right now, I squat
> at 225-lbs. for five sets of 11-5 reps, and towards those last few
> reps on them last couple of sets, sometimes I have a slight initial
> lateral movement like what you describe.
>
> Best be careful, though...don't want to pop a knee or something...I
> think lateral movements are very dangerous indicators for the
> knees....
>
> Of course, what's puzzling is that you have that issue when not using
> free weights...so it could be anatomically based, depending on your
> body type...perhaps your stance is a bit too wide or narrow...maybe
> you're leaning just that bit too far headlong or backwards...main
> thing to consider is how it might detract from your performance at the
> squat....
>
A bodyweight squat is a free weight squat. Bodyweight, but still 'free'.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:02 pm
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In article <1190062615.117843.84290.DeleteThis@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_war.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 17, 4:45 pm, Hobbes <khobman....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > A bodyweight squat is a free weight squat. Bodyweight, but still 'free'.
> >
> > --
> > Keith
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>
> Eh? I thought it was just the squatting motion, without weights!
>
> http://www.jeremymarkum.com/fitness/fitportal/full-entry-exercise/how-to-do-bo
> dyweight-squats/
>
Point is they are both resistance exercises. You add additional
resistance with a bar, but the motor pattern is the same. So a
bodyweight exercise is still a free-weight exercise (in a way) since
your range of motion is not dictated by a machine. It is just one with
very little (or no) additional weight.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:51 am
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On Sep 17, 6:02 pm, Hobbes <khobman....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Point is they are both resistance exercises. You add additional
> resistance with a bar, but the motor pattern is the same. So a
> bodyweight exercise is still a free-weight exercise (in a way) since
> your range of motion is not dictated by a machine. It is just one with
> very little (or no) additional weight.
>
> --
> Keith
Well, my point was that it's usually the increased poundage which
causes "buckling" (that slight lateral movement under discussion), but
that his case is very curious because he also has that issue even when
doing bodyweight squats...so maybe it's just the physics associated
with his particular anatomical layout??? I like breaking parallel on
my squats, though to do so I find that I'm more on the balls of my
feet, and not totally on my heels, as the squatting manuals seem to
suggest should be the case.... >> Stay informed about: Squat Problem - what is the cause? |
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:58 am
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On Sep 19, 12:14 pm, Hobbes <khobman... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
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> No, I think it is the motor program. I don't think poundage is the cause
> - I think poundage reveals the flawed program. I suspect if you displace
> laterally under heavy load you also do under lighter loads, but it is
> not as pronounced.
>
> --
> Keith
Motor program, eh? You mean "technique," in having to relearn the
movement?
Something else comes to mind...my no-frills basement dungeon type of
gym has slightly uneven floors...and one of the power racks is really
weird, with one side ever-so-slightly higher than the other! So that
could be it, too -- "environmental" factors....
BTW, is one's squat (and, for that matter, deadlift) "supposed to" be
much heaver (poundage-wise) than one's bench press? 'Cause I have the
exact opposite situation right now, even though my legs actually look
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:14 am
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In article <1190217064.864673.160510.RemoveThis@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_war.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sep 17, 6:02 pm, Hobbes <khobman....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Point is they are both resistance exercises. You add additional
> > resistance with a bar, but the motor pattern is the same. So a
> > bodyweight exercise is still a free-weight exercise (in a way) since
> > your range of motion is not dictated by a machine. It is just one with
> > very little (or no) additional weight.
> >
> > --
> > Keith
>
>
>
> Well, my point was that it's usually the increased poundage which
> causes "buckling" (that slight lateral movement under discussion), but
> that his case is very curious because he also has that issue even when
> doing bodyweight squats...so maybe it's just the physics associated
> with his particular anatomical layout??? I like breaking parallel on
> my squats, though to do so I find that I'm more on the balls of my
> feet, and not totally on my heels, as the squatting manuals seem to
> suggest should be the case....
>
No, I think it is the motor program. I don't think poundage is the cause
- I think poundage reveals the flawed program. I suspect if you displace
laterally under heavy load you also do under lighter loads, but it is
not as pronounced.
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