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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2006 4:14 pm
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I used to do leg press pushing the weights up but it started hurting my
waist area. I did squats today. It seems like I get a lot more burn
with leg press than squats. Squats seem to really pressure the knees.
Are standing leg presses better? How do I prevent the waist pain?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:56 am
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Dnia 2006-12-10 BodyBuilder napisał(a):
> I used to do leg press pushing the weights up but it started hurting my
> waist area. I did squats today. It seems like I get a lot more burn
> with leg press than squats.

Some other weak link is failing before you are able to overload your
legs. Keep on squatting, and your body will adjust.

> Squats seem to really pressure the knees.

You either lack the flexibility or skill to squat properly. Keep on
squatting, and your body will adjust, but learn how to squat properly
too.

> Are standing leg presses better?

You mean machine hack squats? No, they aren't.

> How do I prevent the waist pain?

You squat. Or you position your legs low on the leg press platform, do
full range of motion and train one leg at a time. But it's better to
simply learn how to squat.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 3:56 am
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Dnia 2006-12-13 Shute napisał(a):
> On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 20:20:28 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
><bakters DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I found myself doing the same. If a flexibility becomes a limiting
>>factor it's often better to work on it until one is able to do the
>>movement right. Just doing the thing works for many people, but if the
>>deficit in flexibility is high, one risks an injury. I learned it the
>>hard way quite recently, and am wiser now. Wink
>
> It is interesting that you don't need all that stretching that bully
> mentioned to improve flexibility. I made drastic improvements in only
> a week or two as opposed the months bully said it takes with
> stretching. I still do one stretch for the ankle which is slowly
> loosing up an old injury. But it is the squatting with no weight
> which made the most difference. At first I couldn't barely get down
> to where I should be. There was a lot of friction in my joints and I
> couldn't go all the way down without falling backward. Now I can move
> pretty freely with little friction. I am still working on enough
> strength to hold myself in a squatted position.

It will probably take several more weeks, and you'll end up not so far
from what Bully professed. Wink

>>> I find
>>> them easiest to do with a 1-15 pound weight held in front of me to act
>>> as a counter balance. My flexibility has improved drastically since
>>> I started doing that. It feels like I oiled up all my joints so they
>>> move more freely.
>>
>>It's sometimes called a goblet squat. Congratulations on your progress.
>
> Yeah that is what he calls in the vid but he doesn't hold anything in
> the hands. It is easiest to start by grabbing onto something or hold
> a small weight in front. To be specific I just grab a cordless
> screwdriver.

I found that pressing the knees out with your elbows helps a little.
Also, once you are able to do full squat it may still make sense to
work on width at which you are able to go ATTG. Being able to do
really full squat with arched back all the way down is not so simple as
it may look like.

Actually, I think that squat has most value when it's an assistance
exercise for Oly lifts or something similar. One doesn't do then
stupid things like decreasing a range of motion to be able to load one
more plate on the bar, and suffering lower back pain due to bad form.
Stupidly executed assistance exercise is worthless, so one pays more
attention to good form.

> BTW today I saw a young woman doing squats. She was barely moving her
> knees. I don't normally ever see women doing them so I didn't want to
> complain. Plus she looked pretty hot.

I probably couldn't stand it without offering some advise, which in
general is not very wise. I'm glad I'm out of gyms. I hated it even
when people listened to what I said, because I ended up coaching them
for free instead of doing my workout. Wink

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:01 am
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Dnia 2006-12-13 Bully napisał(a):
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>
>> I've seen videos of people who simply can't squat due to very poor
>> ankle and groin flexibility. Their knees can't go neither forward nor
>> to the sides, so there is no way they will be able to keep their
>> balance while squatting. Fixing it, while it's recognised properly,
>> is not big problem, even if it takes some dedication.
>
> Agreed, but i'm sure it ain't happening in the space of 2 weeks. That's a
> separate issue entirely!!!

In most cases, you are probably right. However Shute was able to
squat; he just compensated with lower back for his lack of flexibility.
Doing lots of unweighted goblet squats might just work "wonders".

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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:57 am
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"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> schreef:

>> Are standing leg presses better?

> You mean machine hack squats? No, they aren't.

They can have advantages.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:57 am
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"Shute" <Shute.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> schreef:

> BTW today I saw a young woman doing squats. She was barely moving her
> knees.

I am willing to bet that she had short legs wrt her torso. And she wasnt
that tall.

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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 8:33 am
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Andrzej Rosa wrote:

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>
> I've seen videos of people who simply can't squat due to very poor
> ankle and groin flexibility. Their knees can't go neither forward nor
> to the sides, so there is no way they will be able to keep their
> balance while squatting. Fixing it, while it's recognised properly,
> is not big problem, even if it takes some dedication.

Agreed, but i'm sure it ain't happening in the space of 2 weeks. That's a
separate issue entirely!!!

>
>>>> It's sometimes called a goblet squat. Congratulations on your
>>>> progress.
>>>
>>> Yeah that is what he calls in the vid but he doesn't hold anything
>>> in the hands. It is easiest to start by grabbing onto something or
>>> hold a small weight in front. To be specific I just grab a cordless
>>> screwdriver.
>>
>> Perhaps then you need to rename them cordless screwdriver squats.
>
> Perhaps he might. Still, good work Shute.



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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:18 pm
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"Shute" <Shute.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> schreef:

>>> BTW today I saw a young woman doing squats. She was barely moving her
>>> knees.

>>I am willing to bet that she had short legs wrt her torso. And she wasnt
>>that tall.

> She was short in general.

Thought so.

Her femur is longer then the shinbone, i suspect.

> I don't know about the leg length compared
> to her torso.

Ah, well... i am not talking 1/4 of an inch here. Just a rough estimate.

> She had a nice butt though.

Which is why ALL woman should be encouraged to squat. And deadlift.

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