Smith Machines - good or bad?

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Mr-Natural-Health wrote:

> The only thing that smith machines got going for them is that they
> allow you to do a bench press without a spotter. Ergo, no exercise
> partner is required.

Eh, squat rack/cages work well for bench press as well as squats.
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"JMW" <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> wrote
> Joe Humble <joehumble.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> "David Cohen"<sammiesdad.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>"Joe Humble" <joehumble.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote
>>>> by the way a much basic science training does a nurseboy like yourself
>>>> undergo in order to be certified in whatever certifications it is that
>>>> nurseboys require?
>>>
>>>Babelfish couldn't translate into English, Mike, but I'll give it a shot,
>>>anyway
>>>
>>>There are no certifications required to be a nurse. You have to graduate
>>>from an accredited nursing school and then pass the licensing boards of
>>>the
>>>state in which you want to practice.
>>>
>>>Certain jobs within nursing, and certain advancements within nursing,
>>>require certifications. I am, or have been, certified in emergency
>>>nursing,
>>>pediatric emergency nursing, pediatric critical care nursing, oncology
>>>nursing, prehospital nursing, paramedic medicine, advanced cardiac life
>>>support, pediatric advanced life support, epidural analgesic
>>>administration,
>>>and a few dozen more.
>>>
>>>I have been told that I am "certifiable" and a "certified pain in the
>>>ass",
>>>but, I never got those cards in the mail, so, I'm not sure.
>>
>>It should have read:
>>
>>By the way, how much basic science training does a nurseboy like
>>yourself undergo in order to be certified (in whatever certifications
>>nurseboys require).
>>
>>You know, chem I and II, Bio I and II, orga I and II physics I and II,
>>and calculus I and II.
>
> I know that current curricula include anatomy and physiology,
> microbiology, inorganic and organic chemistry, and pharmacology, in
> addition to many courses directed at nursing and therapy practices.
>
> Does that make you feel insecure, Michael?

It shouldn't make too many people feel insecure. The average nursing student
tends to be...how shall I put this diplomatically...a litttle 'weak' in the
basic sciences. Teenage girls are not known for their math and science
skills, so, anyone who enters nursing from an older, experienced, life or
from a different field of science, tends to have an easier time.

David
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"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>"JMW" <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote
>> Joe Humble <joehumble.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> "David Cohen"<sammiesdad.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>"Joe Humble" <joehumble.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote
>>>>> by the way a much basic science training does a nurseboy like yourself
>>>>> undergo in order to be certified in whatever certifications it is that
>>>>> nurseboys require?
>>>>
>>>>Babelfish couldn't translate into English, Mike, but I'll give it a shot,
>>>>anyway
>>>>
>>>>There are no certifications required to be a nurse. You have to graduate
>>>>from an accredited nursing school and then pass the licensing boards of
>>>>the
>>>>state in which you want to practice.
>>>>
>>>>Certain jobs within nursing, and certain advancements within nursing,
>>>>require certifications. I am, or have been, certified in emergency
>>>>nursing,
>>>>pediatric emergency nursing, pediatric critical care nursing, oncology
>>>>nursing, prehospital nursing, paramedic medicine, advanced cardiac life
>>>>support, pediatric advanced life support, epidural analgesic
>>>>administration,
>>>>and a few dozen more.
>>>>
>>>>I have been told that I am "certifiable" and a "certified pain in the
>>>>ass",
>>>>but, I never got those cards in the mail, so, I'm not sure.
>>>
>>>It should have read:
>>>
>>>By the way, how much basic science training does a nurseboy like
>>>yourself undergo in order to be certified (in whatever certifications
>>>nurseboys require).
>>>
>>>You know, chem I and II, Bio I and II, orga I and II physics I and II,
>>>and calculus I and II.
>>
>> I know that current curricula include anatomy and physiology,
>> microbiology, inorganic and organic chemistry, and pharmacology, in
>> addition to many courses directed at nursing and therapy practices.
>>
>> Does that make you feel insecure, Michael?
>
>It shouldn't make too many people feel insecure. The average nursing student
>tends to be...how shall I put this diplomatically...a litttle 'weak' in the
>basic sciences. Teenage girls are not known for their math and science
>skills, so, anyone who enters nursing from an older, experienced, life or
>from a different field of science, tends to have an easier time.

The nursing student I know aced all of them, except for the B+ in
pharmacology. Definitely not a teenage girl, though.
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On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:03:09 -0400, JMW <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> wrote:

>The nursing student I know aced all of them, except for the B+ in
>pharmacology. Definitely not a teenage girl, though.

I hear he was dating one though...

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"Jeff Finlayson" <finlayson.DeleteThis@hiwaaay.not> wrote
> Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
>
>> The only thing that smith machines got going for them is that they
>> allow you to do a bench press without a spotter. Ergo, no exercise
>> partner is required.
>
> Eh, squat rack/cages work well for bench press as well as squats.

Retarded poster::retarded post

Jeez, Jeff, are you trying to upset the delicate balance of the universe, or
something?

David
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David Cohen wrote:
> Jeff Finlayson wrote
>>Mr-Natural-Health wrote:
>>
>>>The only thing that smith machines got going for them is that they
>>>allow you to do a bench press without a spotter. Ergo, no exercise
>>>partner is required.
>>
>>Eh, squat rack/cages work well for bench press as well as squats.
>
> Retarded poster::retarded post
>
> Jeez, Jeff, are you trying to upset the delicate balance of the universe, or
> something?
> David

Something. That short reply was for other uninformed posters too.
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In article <lu7bj1tf11eihljsdjs5rncslghv1ol8i3.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
dallasmaximus.RemoveThis@yahoo.com says...
> On 24 Sep 2005 06:43:50 -0700, "Personal Trainer"
> <dlagerst.RemoveThis@pshift.com> wrote:
>
> >"and where should your knees end up, behind
> >your toes, or in front? "
> >
> >If you keep your knees from going past the tip of your toes, it places
> >much less stress on your knees.
> >
> >Dan Lagerstedt
> >Certified Personal Trainer
> >http://www.fitnessgenerator.com/trainerhome.asp?uname=newenglandcft
>
> Im 6 ft 2 and find it difficult to keep my knees from going forward...
> and if I try to "sit down behind me" as if getting into a chair, I
> fall over!

I'm not 6'2 but have a simliar problem. A trainer guy at Golds
diagnosed that my hams are too tight to do barbell squats. I tried for
a while to stretch them but it didn't work. I'm a runner which is I
think why they get so tight even though I stretch both before and after
running. Using the machine allows me to keep my feet in front of my
body which prevents tight hamstrings from interfering with the squat.

John Black
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John Black wrote:
> In article <lu7bj1tf11eihljsdjs5rncslghv1ol8i3.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
> dallasmaximus.RemoveThis@yahoo.com says...
>> On 24 Sep 2005 06:43:50 -0700, "Personal Trainer"
>> <dlagerst.RemoveThis@pshift.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "and where should your knees end up, behind
>>> your toes, or in front? "
>>>
>>> If you keep your knees from going past the tip of your toes, it
>>> places much less stress on your knees.
>>>
>>> Dan Lagerstedt
>>> Certified Personal Trainer
>>> http://www.fitnessgenerator.com/trainerhome.asp?uname=newenglandcft
>>
>> Im 6 ft 2 and find it difficult to keep my knees from going
>> forward... and if I try to "sit down behind me" as if getting into a
>> chair, I fall over!
>
> I'm not 6'2 but have a simliar problem. A trainer guy at Golds
> diagnosed that my hams are too tight to do barbell squats. I tried
> for a while to stretch them but it didn't work. I'm a runner which
> is I think why they get so tight even though I stretch both before
> and after running. Using the machine allows me to keep my feet in
> front of my body which prevents tight hamstrings from interfering
> with the squat.
>
> John Black

You can also try placing your heels on a plank or something similar. Maybe
1/2 inch to 3/4 inch high. This will also take the pressure off tight
hamstrings and allow you to keep good form in a barbell squat.

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So, in summary, I would say smith machines are bad.

zoo
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In article <e33Ze.303855$5N3.182082@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
John <y_tu_momma_tambien.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1127525978.851236.122730@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

>> Look at the human spine. NOT linear. Our spines were designed, by
>> evolution or God (pick one), to be a horizontal non-load bearing
>> support structure of a four legged creature. Then those freakin'
>> proto-apes just HAD to stand up. And their spines adapted as best they
>> could, primarily by curving in a number of places.

>Pick one, but you just implied that we were on all fours; therefore, it
>could only be evolution?

Nah, he was just very drunk.

Seth
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"zoo" <AndKeif DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote
> So, in summary, I would say smith machines are bad.

So, in summary, you would be wrong.

Smith machines are what they are: a way to safely and conveniently do linear
motion exercises. Some examples that work well on the smith machine are
standing calf raises, seated calf raises, uh, hmmm, wait a minute, I'll
think of another, uh, damn...

Smith machines are bad.

David
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