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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 8:19 pm
Post subject: Smith Machines - good or bad?
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I tried one today... not sure if I liked it or not...
1) do you really feel this machine helps place
less stress onthe lower back?
2) Where do your feet really belong when you do this
exercise, and where should your knees end up, behind
your toes, or in front?
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:39 pm
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Bob Garrison wrote:
> "General Grievous" <dallasmaximus RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote
> >I tried one today... not sure if I liked it or not...
> >
> > 1) do you really feel this machine helps place
> > less stress onthe lower back?
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> All I can tell you is it places less stress on MY back.
I'm willing to accept that you FEEL it places less stress on your back,
but, unfortunately, biomechanics says otherwise.
Look at a well done barbell squat from the side. NOT linear.
Look at the human spine. NOT linear. Our spines were designed, by
evolution or God (pick one), to be a horizontal non-load bearing
support structure of a four legged creature. Then those freakin'
proto-apes just HAD to stand up. And their spines adapted as best they
could, primarily by curving in a number of places.
Look at the path of the bar of a Smith machine squat. Designed for a
non-humanoid creature.
Are you a non-humanoid, Bob? A Denibian slime worm? A Jovian fire
dragon? NO!
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 10:38 pm
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Hugh Beyer wrote:
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote
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> > Look at the human spine. NOT linear. Our spines were designed, by
> > evolution or God (pick one),
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> Why only one?
Mutual exclusivity.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:06 pm
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"General Grievous" <dallasmaximus RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>I tried one today... not sure if I liked it or not...
>
> 1) do you really feel this machine helps place
> less stress onthe lower back?
All I can tell you is it places less stress on MY back.
> 2) Where do your feet really belong when you do this
> exercise, and where should your knees end up, behind
> your toes, or in front?
>
I place my feet a little wider than shoulder width and pretty far forward so
that my back remains vertical. >> Stay informed about: Smith Machines - good or bad? |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:10 pm
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General Grievous wrote:
> I tried one today... not sure if I liked it or not...
>
> 1) do you really feel this machine helps place
> less stress on the lower back?
Maybe so. But so does good form on barbell squats.
> 2) Where do your feet really belong when you do this
> exercise,
Like a real squat, under the bar.
> and where should your knees end up, behind
> your toes, or in front?
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:29 pm
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John wrote:
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote
> > Bob Garrison wrote:
> > > "General Grievous" <dallasmaximus.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote
> > > >I tried one today... not sure if I liked it or not...
> > > >
> > > > 1) do you really feel this machine helps place
> > > > less stress onthe lower back?
> > >
> > > All I can tell you is it places less stress on MY back.
> >
> > I'm willing to accept that you FEEL it places less stress on your back,
> > but, unfortunately, biomechanics says otherwise.
> >
> > Look at a well done barbell squat from the side. NOT linear.
> >
> > Look at the human spine. NOT linear. Our spines were designed, by
> > evolution or God (pick one), to be a horizontal non-load bearing
> > support structure of a four legged creature. Then those freakin'
> > proto-apes just HAD to stand up. And their spines adapted as best they
> > could, primarily by curving in a number of places.
> >
> > Look at the path of the bar of a Smith machine squat. Designed for a
> > non-humanoid creature.
> >
> > Are you a non-humanoid, Bob? A Denibian slime worm? A Jovian fire
> > dragon? NO!
>
> Pick one, but you just implied that we were on all fours; therefore, it
> could only be evolution?
I was throwing a bone to those who wanted to have it both ways, with
God creating evolution at some point. That way, they can sound like
rational persons by saying "of course evolution is reality" but still
satisfy that irrational human need for a supreme being by saying "but
God created the Universe and the natural laws which lead to evolution".
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2005 11:31 pm
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DZ wrote:
> Hugh Beyer <beyerxyzzy DeleteThis @acm.org> wrote:
> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote
> >> Hugh Beyer wrote:
> >>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote
> >>>
> >>>> Look at the human spine. NOT linear. Our spines were designed, by
> >>>> evolution or God (pick one),
> >>>
> >>> Why only one?
> >>
> >> Mutual exclusivity.
> >
> > Nonsense.
> >
> > I hammered together a chicken coop this summer. Was the coop made by the
> > hammer or by me?
>
> Nonsense. It was designed by God, and you're just a tool in his
> gaysome hand.
If it had been designed by God, the wind won't have knocked it over and
let the coyote eat the chickens.
God does not play dice with the chickens.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 12:54 am
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David Cohen wrote:
> Look at the path of the bar of a Smith machine squat. Designed for a
> non-humanoid creature.
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> Are you a non-humanoid, Bob? A Denibian slime worm? A Jovian fire
> dragon? NO!
Don't be so quick to judge.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 1:26 am
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On 23 Sep 2005 18:39:38 -0700, "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @gmail.com>
wrote:
>to be a horizontal non-load bearing
>support structure of a four legged creature. Then those freakin'
>proto-apes just HAD to stand up. And their spines adapted as best they
>could, primarily by curving in a number of places.
What a moron. >> Stay informed about: Smith Machines - good or bad? |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 2:44 am
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:03 am
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JMW wrote:
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> >DZ wrote:
> >> Hugh Beyer <beyerxyzzy DeleteThis @acm.org> wrote:
> >> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> Hugh Beyer wrote:
> >> >>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Look at the human spine. NOT linear. Our spines were designed, by
> >> >>>> evolution or God (pick one),
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Why only one?
> >> >>
> >> >> Mutual exclusivity.
> >> >
> >> > Nonsense.
> >> >
> >> > I hammered together a chicken coop this summer. Was the coop made by the
> >> > hammer or by me?
> >>
> >> Nonsense. It was designed by God, and you're just a tool in his
> >> gaysome hand.
> >
> >If it had been designed by God, the wind won't have knocked it over and
> >let the coyote eat the chickens.
> >
> >God does not play dice with the chickens.
>
> Stop telling God how to make chicken coops.
I have a close, personal, relationship with God.
I ask God for lots of things.
God always answers.
The answer is always "No".
God is a Woman.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:12 am
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"David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>DZ wrote:
>> Hugh Beyer <beyerxyzzy DeleteThis @acm.org> wrote:
>> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote
>> >> Hugh Beyer wrote:
>> >>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote
>> >>>
>> >>>> Look at the human spine. NOT linear. Our spines were designed, by
>> >>>> evolution or God (pick one),
>> >>>
>> >>> Why only one?
>> >>
>> >> Mutual exclusivity.
>> >
>> > Nonsense.
>> >
>> > I hammered together a chicken coop this summer. Was the coop made by the
>> > hammer or by me?
>>
>> Nonsense. It was designed by God, and you're just a tool in his
>> gaysome hand.
>
>If it had been designed by God, the wind won't have knocked it over and
>let the coyote eat the chickens.
>
>God does not play dice with the chickens.
Stop telling God how to make chicken coops. >> Stay informed about: Smith Machines - good or bad? |
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 3:45 am
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 4:27 am
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General Grievous <dallasmaximus RemoveThis @yahoo.com> writes:
> This thread had so much potential!
I have a serious problem with Smith machines. Even if you don't buy
the bio-mechanical issues of the smith machine's single plane of
operation, Smith machines are still more expensive and less versatile
than weights and a power rack. Not to mention the fact that Smith
machines don't teach balance and don't recruit as many support
muscles. I have a limited amount of time to train, and I simply don't
have time for gimmicks.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sat Sep 24, 2005 5:35 am
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"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in news:1127525978.851236.122730
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> Look at the human spine. NOT linear. Our spines were designed, by
> evolution or God (pick one),
Why only one?
Hugh
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Exercise is a dirty word. Whenever I hear it, I wash my mouth out with
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