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AL

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:14 am
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Considering that it is openly admitted that wrestling is scripted and the
winners are mapped out ahead of time for the entire wrestling season, what
are the odds that bodybuilding is just as fake and scripted??

I personally saw the Pumping Iron movie as being just about Arnold. Even
though the movie was a lot of fun and it introduced some great bodybuilders
to the world, I don't think anyone who sees that movie can feel any suspense
about who is going to win. When Joe Weider gets interviewed, it is obvious
that Arnold is his man, and Weider ran the contest so what are the odds
anyone else would win?

Considering that the Mr. Olympia contest was created just to promote the
IFBB, any belief that the contest is actually honest is misplaced. The IFBB
has never had any scandal relating to any of its champions, and when Muscle
Media and other magazines started talking openly about steroid use, the IFBB
responded by making Ronnie Coleman, a Texas police officer, as their
champion for eight years.

Only a few years ago Craig Titus was a top competitor. Just like Lou
Ferrigno and other guys that Joe Weider felt had personality problems, Titus
would never win the Mr. O. Now he is in prison for murder. Anyone that
thinks that the Mr. O competition is just about bodybuilding is fooling
themselves. The Weiders and their new owners run that tighter than the Miss
America contest.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:58 am
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"AL" <alfredogarcia.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Considering that it is openly admitted that wrestling is scripted and the
> winners are mapped out ahead of time for the entire wrestling season, what
> are the odds that bodybuilding is just as fake and scripted??
>
> I personally saw the Pumping Iron movie as being just about Arnold. Even
> though the movie was a lot of fun and it introduced some great
> bodybuilders
> to the world, I don't think anyone who sees that movie can feel any
> suspense
> about who is going to win. When Joe Weider gets interviewed, it is obvious
> that Arnold is his man, and Weider ran the contest so what are the odds
> anyone else would win?
>
> Considering that the Mr. Olympia contest was created just to promote the
> IFBB, any belief that the contest is actually honest is misplaced. The
> IFBB
> has never had any scandal relating to any of its champions, and when
> Muscle
> Media and other magazines started talking openly about steroid use, the
> IFBB
> responded by making Ronnie Coleman, a Texas police officer, as their
> champion for eight years.
>
> Only a few years ago Craig Titus was a top competitor. Just like Lou
> Ferrigno and other guys that Joe Weider felt had personality problems,
> Titus
> would never win the Mr. O. Now he is in prison for murder. Anyone that
> thinks that the Mr. O competition is just about bodybuilding is fooling
> themselves. The Weiders and their new owners run that tighter than the
> Miss
> America contest.
>

I think you have a point. There is a lot to bodybuilding that is subjective,
like beauty contests and figure skating, that leaves a lot of room for
promoting a 'favorite' or judges on the take.
jb

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:52 am
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PaW wrote:
> Curt wrote:
[...]

> > Hey, speaking of the Miss America contest, MORE unsolicited trivia. I
> > graduated from Ephrata Senior High School where they had two large
> > portraits displayed of Evelyn Ay, 1954 Miss America; and Mike Mentzer,
> > 1976 IFBB Mr. America.
>
> LOL -- bodybuilding must be contagious...!

Uh, Evelyn Ay wasn't a bodybuilder. They both, however, were residents
of Ephrata, Pennsylvania for a time. Ray, Mike's brother and 1979's
AAU Mr. America, was a 30 pin member on the Ephrata High School
wrestling team.

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 5:52 pm
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On Aug 16, 6:16 pm, Mike <fiftiesmusc....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Both homophobic and anti-semtetic.

Why? Because I put gays and Jews together, or because I said "gays"
and "Jews"?

Why aren't you sticking up for the satanists, too??

> I doubt that there is any "proof"
> that the prcentage of gays are greater in those participating in
> bodybuilding than in the population at large!

I don't know; that's why I didn't make no such claim.

> And how many Jewish
> bodybuilders can you name?


Gee, weider and weider, according to M&F....

As for gays, well, let's see: bub shoe, jm-double-u, lilly brink...do
you also want their phone numbers or something?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 7:39 pm
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Al Bino wrote:

> Curt, you have turned into such a p*ssy

Al, did you realize that you substituted what I'm assuming could be a
vowel with an asterisk?

> that I may have to killfile you because you are so
> annoyingly politically correct.

Furthermore, did you go on to criticize *me* for being politically
correct? SurprisedD

Hey, I'm no expert wrt irony, but that strikes me as kinda laughable.

> I wonder what happened to you.

Born again.

Jesus said he'd shove a sandal up my ass if I posted anything
inappropriate.

> I used to find your postings to be humorous,

Oooh. That's a warning sign, Al.

> but now they are just pathetic.

Cool.

> It is like meeting an old friend who was on the
> football team and who later got castrated and
> is now a eunich.

I've heard eunuch's are pretty good spellers. ;o)

Anyway, sorry to disappoint you.

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 10:26 pm
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"Curt" <> Where was the joke in what you wrote? I must've missed that. And
I'd
> like to think I've got at least a half-assed somethingsomething for
> humor. Surprised(
>
>
Curt, you have turned into such a p*ssy that I may have to killfile you
because you are so annoyingly politically correct. I wonder what happened to
you.

I used to find your postings to be humorous, but now they are just pathetic.
It is like meeting an old friend who was on the football team and who later
got castrated and is now a eunich.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:23 pm
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"Hard Bop Drums" wrote:
> "Jim Boyer" wrote
> > "AL" wrote
> >> Considering that it is openly admitted that wrestling is scripted and the
> >> winners are mapped out ahead of time for the entire wrestling season,
> >> what are the odds that bodybuilding is just as fake and scripted??

Again, anything's possible however the distinction remains that
wrestling has the visible actions of what each performer is doing
while bodybuilding has the visible appearance of their actual physical
form. You can script a pratfall but it's difficult to script four-
percent bodyfat.

[...]

> > I think you have a point. There is a lot to bodybuilding that is
> > subjective, like beauty contests and figure skating, that leaves
> > a lot of room for promoting a 'favorite' or judges on the take.
> > jb

True.

> This "Al" troll has no point.

The OP simply asked a question.

> There is nothing scripted about bodybuilding shows.

Depends on what you consider scripting. Certainly there's a procedure.
Prejudging, call outs, evening show. There's a script in that respect.
It's not just men and women running around in their underpants.

> Joe Weider has had no idea

How about Ben Weider? Did he have an idea?

> who 99% of the competitors have been for over 20 years.

And what is this, Sh!t on Joe Weider month?

> There are no grand conspiracies etc.

The 1980 Mr. Olympia. The 1981 Mr. Olympia. If not conspiracies then
at least heavily disputed decisions.

Arnold with six weeks training? Franco with one leg and a bitch tit?
God bless 'em both, but I smell a conspiiiiiiracy! (And ever wonder
who benefits from the 300 MILLION U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY
in Iraq?)

> Craig Titus NEVER was in contention to do anything as
> a pro bodybuilder. He was a guy who never would have
> made an Olympia top 10.

Titus is a POS, but your comment is ridiculous. He placed 11th at the
2002 O. Fifth at that year's NOC. And was a top ten finisher at the
Arnold. What makes you, Mr. Podunk, think he couldn't have cracked the
top ten at the O, too?

Psst, can you say 1996 NPC USA Championships, 1st Heavyweight and
Overall? Regardless, I wonder what you would do if you found yourself
in the same situation as Ryan and Titus? Would you call 911 or flee?

> I suggest you kill file guys like

Yeah, kill files save you a lot of stress, I suspect.

> I have been on a # of photos shoots with Joe Weider

Who? Oh, you mean the guy who "has had no idea who 99% of the
competitors have been for over 20 years"? That Joe Weider?

> and been in his office.

Did you help him find his desk? Because, hey, if he doesn't have a
clue as to who the IFBB competitors are, well, he probably can find
his ass with both hands and a map.

Ever hear of Garrett Downing, 'bert? Apparently he's been in Joe's
office, too. However he's been just a tiny bit more respectful of the
erstwhile Master Blaster, stating, "I am proud to wear a personal
badge of honor in that I was the last pro personally signed by Joe
Weider. Joe is a man who clearly loves bodybuilding and the athletes
and he created the industry/sport from which many have benefited. The
times I met with him in his office were memorable."

Gee, Downing must be part of that one percent Joe Weider is aware of.

> He couldn't fix a show at gunpoint.

And Ben?

> BTW, there isn't enough $ in bodybuilding for anyone to
> be on the "take" anyway.

Any person can be bribed in some way, but does that way necessarily
have to be $?

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:23 pm
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David wrote:
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> I was wondering, Robert, are you normally a happy person or are you easily
> annoyed by people in your life? (For the record,, I work out regularly and
> use my real name which is "David")

Pish posh, David. I suspect you're just another clown who's been kill
filed.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:23 pm
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"Curt" <curtjames.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
> [...]
>
>> I was wondering, Robert, are you normally a happy person or are you
>> easily
>> annoyed by people in your life? (For the record,, I work out regularly
>> and
>> use my real name which is "David")
>
> Pish posh, David. I suspect you're just another clown who's been kill
> filed.
>

Pish posh indeed/ Why would I be killfiled? I use my real name.


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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:23 pm
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David wrote:
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> Pish posh indeed/ Why would I be killfiled?
> I use my real name.

Your real name has nothing to do with it. That's simply a hat 'bert
likes to hang his hat on, occasionally.

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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 5:01 pm
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On Aug 19, 8:29 am, Curt <curtja... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> David wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > I was wondering, Robert, are you normally a happy person or are you easily
> > annoyed by people in your life? (For the record,, I work out regularly and
> > use my real name which is "David")
>
> Pish posh, David. I suspect you're just another clown who's been kill
> filed.
>
> --
> Curt

Or a dolt, or a single digit IQ, or a bigot as Robert Skunk would say
it... =)

-Vince
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:18 pm
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VinCe wrote:
> Curt wrote:
[...]

> > <snip> I suspect you're just another clown who's
> > been kill filed.

> Or a dolt, or a single digit IQ, or a bigot

A homophobic bigot to quote precisely! ;o)

> as Robert Skunk would say it... =)

Hey, I like this game!

Or a spammer.

Your turn.

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