Rows vs. press

External Since: Jan 08, 2005 Posts: 2032

"JMW" <jmwilliams.RemoveThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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> Andrzej Rosa <bakters.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Dnia 2006-11-21 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:ejvns8$fpo$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>> Dnia 2006-11-21 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:ejvb4k$h4g$2@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>>>> Dnia 2006-11-21 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>>>>> "Hobbes" <khobman800.RemoveThis@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How the hell do you define performance on a row? I've seen a
>>>>>>>> half-assed
>>>>>>>> deadlift with a shrug at the end and barely noticeable flexion
>>>>>>>> at the
>>>>>>>> elbow called a row.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Party has a couple of definitions for this sort of thing -
>>>>>>> bench
>>>>>>> press is a lift, meaning you go for a max with it (weight, reps,
>>>>>>> whatever), row is an exercise, meaning you do it for the
>>>>>>> benefits it
>>>>>>> brings you but you don't care about max weights. One could
>>>>>>> probably
>>>>>>> say
>>>>>>> the same about pullups and dips, respectively - too many ways to
>>>>>>> perform
>>>>>>> a dip.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you do with people who do not agree with this
>>>>>> interpretation?
>>>>>> Bullet in the back of head or slower process of starving,
>>>>>> overworking
>>>>>> and freezing? Both work well, but I'm curious which one you
>>>>>> prefer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Smile

>>>>>
>>>>> Ever seen a barbell row competition, or a dip competition?
>>>>
>>>> Since when reality matters when it comes to following official
>>>> stance
>>>> of The Party?
>>>
>>> I was merely suggesting the tracking rowing poundage was not the
>>> point,
>>> nothing more. The distinction between a competitive and a
>>> non-competitive
>>> lift is a useful one, IMHO.
>>
>>Since when usefulness has anything to do with acceptance of official
>>Party line? If you dispute it, you have troubles.
>>
>>Lets imagine that we have a confirmed believer in The Party called
>>Steve. Let's say, that he truly believes that only The Party is the
>>best choice for continuing goodness of the nation. Now, let's imagine
>>that during one of ritual Bacchanalia, when everybody must get drunk,
>>for in vino veritas, Steve gets drunk faster then others (normally he
>>doesn't drink, so it's understandable). And let's imagine that during
>>this very moment he loses his senses to the point of suggesting that
>>"Pulling with lats during negative portion of overhead pressing isn't
>>probably necessary. It can be done, but yesterday I didn't do it and
>>I'm still alive. Let's have another." That innocent enough remark is
>>the doom of poor Steve! His most ambitious competitor for a lucrative
>>office of kettlebell instructor heard it and he will use it. Poor
>>Steve will fall down, and his former heroism will help him nothing.
>>He's going to be imprisoned, he's going to be beaten, starved,
>>deprived
>>of sleep and tortured until he will confess that he actually was a spy
>>and he worked secretly and actively for the fall of the nation. Then
>>he will be shot, if he's lucky.
>>
>>You see! Neither truth nor common sense has anything to do with it.
>>What matters is having good connections and praying (secretly, open
>>prayer is forbidden) that your connections will not take you down when
>>they fall themselves. And you know they will fall, sooner or later.
>>You've seen many others fall and actually that is how you get to be a
>>kettlebell instructor in the first place...
>
> Sounds like a religious dispute. Steve worships Pavel at the Temple
> of DragonDoor, and you worship Louie at the Westside Church.

The whole "Party" thing is done tongue firmly in cheek, both at
DragonDoor's forum and here as well. Y'all often miss the humour of it.
Not enough smiley faces in my original posting, I guess.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

External Since: Oct 29, 2005 Posts: 614

Dnia 2006-11-22 JMW napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Steve. Let's say, that he truly believes that only The Party is the
>>best choice for continuing goodness of the nation. Now, let's imagine
>>that during one of ritual Bacchanalia, when everybody must get drunk,
>>for in vino veritas, Steve gets drunk faster then others (normally he
>>doesn't drink, so it's understandable). And let's imagine that during
>>this very moment he loses his senses to the point of suggesting that
>>"Pulling with lats during negative portion of overhead pressing isn't
>>probably necessary. It can be done, but yesterday I didn't do it and
>>I'm still alive. Let's have another." That innocent enough remark is
>>the doom of poor Steve! His most ambitious competitor for a lucrative
>>office of kettlebell instructor heard it and he will use it. Poor
>>Steve will fall down, and his former heroism will help him nothing.
>>He's going to be imprisoned, he's going to be beaten, starved, deprived
>>of sleep and tortured until he will confess that he actually was a spy
>>and he worked secretly and actively for the fall of the nation. Then
>>he will be shot, if he's lucky.
>>
>>You see! Neither truth nor common sense has anything to do with it.
>>What matters is having good connections and praying (secretly, open
>>prayer is forbidden) that your connections will not take you down when
>>they fall themselves. And you know they will fall, sooner or later.
>>You've seen many others fall and actually that is how you get to be a
>>kettlebell instructor in the first place...
>
> Sounds like a religious dispute. Steve worships Pavel at the Temple
> of DragonDoor,

I don't think he does. But they constantly joke about being party
comrades, so I thought I may show him what kind of life it could have
been at times.

> and you worship Louie at the Westside Church.

No, I don't. I used him as an example of successful trainer and I
respect his obvious success. That's it.

BTW - I found myself slightly allergic to bands and chains everywhere.
Now I profess overuse of strongman type of training. It seems to be on
the upswing.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R