Ratio of carbohydate protein fat

Hugh Beyer wrote:
> Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance RemoveThis @OMiTTHiSyahooANDTHiS.co.uk> wrote in
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>> I've seen a food carbohydrate:protein:fat ratio of 40:30:30 stated in
>> several places as an ideal ratio while doing intensive weight
>> training for muscle gain. Is that calorific ratio or weight ratio?
>> If it's a weight ratio, then that seems a lot of fat.
>>
>> But if it's calorific ratio, then the weight ratio becomes 50:35:15
>> (assuming 4 kcals/gram for carb and protein and 9 kcals/gram for fat)
>> and now the carbs looks high - half the weight of the food.
>>
>> Or is 40:30:30 a bad idea however you look at it?
>>
>
> The best advice I've seen isn't based on percentages. It looks like:
>
> protein at 1g/lb LBM
> fat at .45 g/lb minimum
> carbs make up the rest to your calorie goals
> calories at whatever makes you gain/maintain/lose at the rate you
> desire.
>
> $1 to Lyle.
>
> Hugh

What's more. It works. My protein and fat intake is fairly constant
according to the above suggestion. My carb intake varies highly depending on
how much and what kind of exercise/workouts I do that day. A restday is
fairly low on carbs, comparatively.

Another $1 to Lyle.

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Hugh Beyer wrote:
>
> Sorta didn't answer your original question, did I? Yes, that's a ratio by
> calories, not by weight. Nothing really wrong with it if you're eating
> normally, but if you're eating well below maintenance keeping that
> calorie ratio will probably not give you enough protein. In fact Lylesez
> (same Lyle) that you're likely to need more protein when you're operating
> at a deficit because some will be burned for fuel.

Well, kindabutnotreally. Proteins need to be broken down into their
constituent amino acids and the amino acids deaminated before they're
usable as energy sources. But, yes, the overall effect is something
like that. High protein intake also tends to blunt appetite.
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"Per Elmsäter" <perelms RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hugh Beyer wrote:
>> Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance RemoveThis @OMiTTHiSyahooANDTHiS.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> I've seen a food carbohydrate:protein:fat ratio of 40:30:30 stated in
>>> several places as an ideal ratio while doing intensive weight
>>> training for muscle gain. Is that calorific ratio or weight ratio?
>>> If it's a weight ratio, then that seems a lot of fat.
>>>
>>> But if it's calorific ratio, then the weight ratio becomes 50:35:15
>>> (assuming 4 kcals/gram for carb and protein and 9 kcals/gram for fat)
>>> and now the carbs looks high - half the weight of the food.
>>
>> The best advice I've seen isn't based on percentages. It looks like:
>>
>> protein at 1g/lb LBM
>> fat at .45 g/lb minimum
>> carbs make up the rest to your calorie goals
>> calories at whatever makes you gain/maintain/lose at the rate you
>> desire.
>>
>> $1 to Lyle.
>
>What's more. It works. My protein and fat intake is fairly constant
>according to the above suggestion. My carb intake varies highly depending on
>how much and what kind of exercise/workouts I do that day. A restday is
>fairly low on carbs, comparatively.

OK thanks, so that means that you get equal calories from protein and
fat, so the original ratio that I mentioned must have been a calorific
ratio. And I guess that the high carb intake is necessary during the
muscle gain part of the cycle - with some fat gain that I can afford at
the moment.

>Another $1 to Lyle.

I've no idea who Lyle is.

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Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance.TakeThisOut@OMiTTHiSyahooANDTHiS.co.uk> wrote in
news:g6i0a1pak82nodsd2botrb5luvm4r83dsd@4ax.com:

> "Per Elmsäter" <perelms.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Hugh Beyer wrote:
>>> Dave Farrance <DaveFarrance.TakeThisOut@OMiTTHiSyahooANDTHiS.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've seen a food carbohydrate:protein:fat ratio of 40:30:30 stated
in
>>>> several places as an ideal ratio while doing intensive weight
>>>> training for muscle gain. Is that calorific ratio or weight ratio?
>>>> If it's a weight ratio, then that seems a lot of fat.
>>>>
>>>> But if it's calorific ratio, then the weight ratio becomes 50:35:15
>>>> (assuming 4 kcals/gram for carb and protein and 9 kcals/gram for
fat)
>>>> and now the carbs looks high - half the weight of the food.
>>>
>>> The best advice I've seen isn't based on percentages. It looks like:
>>>
>>> protein at 1g/lb LBM
>>> fat at .45 g/lb minimum
>>> carbs make up the rest to your calorie goals
>>> calories at whatever makes you gain/maintain/lose at the rate you
>>> desire.
>>>
>>> $1 to Lyle.
>>
>>What's more. It works. My protein and fat intake is fairly constant
>>according to the above suggestion. My carb intake varies highly
>>depending on how much and what kind of exercise/workouts I do that day.
>>A restday is fairly low on carbs, comparatively.
>
> OK thanks, so that means that you get equal calories from protein and
> fat, so the original ratio that I mentioned must have been a calorific
> ratio. And I guess that the high carb intake is necessary during the
> muscle gain part of the cycle - with some fat gain that I can afford at
> the moment.
>
>>Another $1 to Lyle.
>
> I've no idea who Lyle is.
>

Sorta didn't answer your original question, did I? Yes, that's a ratio by
calories, not by weight. Nothing really wrong with it if you're eating
normally, but if you're eating well below maintenance keeping that
calorie ratio will probably not give you enough protein. In fact Lylesez
(same Lyle) that you're likely to need more protein when you're operating
at a deficit because some will be burned for fuel.

Lyle is Lyle McDonald, champion trash talker, sometime poster to MFW, and
diet/nutrition/fitness guru.

Hugh


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