Protein Diet

"Vincent Ng" <thiamsweeng.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in news:1110715191.833714.120530
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> Hi,
>
> I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I weight
> about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal meals three
> times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my training in the
> gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a week. I started with
> only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on the day I train. But I was
> told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino
> acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal
> meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
> information please ask and advice will be welcomed.
>
> Thanks
> Vincent
>
>

Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day (whether you
train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're healthy. Your
whey protein powder counts towards that total. So estimate how much you're
getting in the rest of your eating and make up for it with the whey.

4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.

Hugh

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Hugh Beyer wrote:
> Vincent Ng wrote

>>I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I weight
>>about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal meals three
>>times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my training in the
>>gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a week. I started with
>>only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on the day I train. But I was
>>told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino
>>acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal
>>meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
>>information please ask and advice will be welcomed.

> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day (whether you
> train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're healthy. Your
> whey protein powder counts towards that total. So estimate how much you're
> getting in the rest of your eating and make up for it with the whey.

The amino acids tablets count too, but not differently.
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"Hugh Beyer" <beyerxyzzy RemoveThis @acm.org> wrote in message
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> "Vincent Ng" <thiamsweeng RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in
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>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I weight
> > about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal meals three
> > times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my training in the
> > gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a week. I started with
> > only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on the day I train. But I was
> > told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino
> > acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal
> > meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
> > information please ask and advice will be welcomed.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Vincent
> >
> >
>
> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day (whether you
> train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're healthy. Your
> whey protein powder counts towards that total. So estimate how much you're
> getting in the rest of your eating and make up for it with the whey.
>
> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.

I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz. of
protein?
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> "Hugh Beyer" <beyerxyzzy.TakeThisOut@acm.org> wrote in message
> news:Xns9618A98E8D78Fhughrbeyeracmorg@130.133.1.4...
>> "Vincent Ng" <thiamsweeng.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:1110715191.833714.120530
>> @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I
>> > weight
>> > about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal meals
>> > three
>> > times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my training in
>> > the
>> > gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a week. I started
>> > with
>> > only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on the day I train. But I
>> > was
>> > told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6
>> > amino
>> > acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal
>> > meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
>> > information please ask and advice will be welcomed.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Vincent
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day
>> (whether you
>> train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're healthy.
>> Your
>> whey protein powder counts towards that total. So estimate how much
>> you're
>> getting in the rest of your eating and make up for it with the whey.
>>
>> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.
>
> I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz. of
> protein?

I heard what you heard.

Let's differentiate between maintaining size and gaining size. If
you're trying to stay the same, 1 gr per kg seems to be sufficient. If
you're trying to get bigger, it makes sense to both get more calories
per day into your body and to be sure some of those additional calories
are also protein, e.g., if you're eating 500 calories per day surplus in
order to gain weight, and half those calories come from protein, that's
an extra ~60 grams of protein if I did the math right..

-S-
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> "Hugh Beyer" <beyerxyzzy.TakeThisOut@acm.org> wrote in message
> news:Xns9618A98E8D78Fhughrbeyeracmorg@130.133.1.4...
>> "Vincent Ng" <thiamsweeng.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:1110715191.833714.120530
>> @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I
>> > weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal
>> > meals three times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my
>> > training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a
>> > week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on the
>> > day I train. But I was told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a week
>> > and also take 6 amino acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that
>> > protein and my normal meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney?
>> > If you need anymore information please ask and advice will be
>> > welcomed.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Vincent
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day (whether
>> you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're
>> healthy. Your whey protein powder counts towards that total. So
>> estimate how much you're getting in the rest of your eating and make up
>> for it with the whey.
>>
>> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.
>
> I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz. of
> protein?

No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are measured in
pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to do the conversion
yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in kg.

There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who you
believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.

Hugh


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"Hugh Beyer" <beyerxyzzy.DeleteThis@acm.org> wrote in message
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> "John" <y_tu_momma_tambien.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>
> > "Hugh Beyer" <beyerxyzzy.DeleteThis@acm.org> wrote in message
> > news:Xns9618A98E8D78Fhughrbeyeracmorg@130.133.1.4...
> >> "Vincent Ng" <thiamsweeng.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in
> > news:1110715191.833714.120530
> >> @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I
> >> > weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal
> >> > meals three times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my
> >> > training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a
> >> > week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on the
> >> > day I train. But I was told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a week
> >> > and also take 6 amino acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that
> >> > protein and my normal meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney?
> >> > If you need anymore information please ask and advice will be
> >> > welcomed.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> > Vincent
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day (whether
> >> you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're
> >> healthy. Your whey protein powder counts towards that total. So
> >> estimate how much you're getting in the rest of your eating and make up
> >> for it with the whey.
> >>
> >> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.
> >
> > I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz. of
> > protein?
>
> No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are measured in
> pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to do the conversion
> yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in kg.
>
> There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who you
> believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.

So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit high. But
if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a day, which seems
more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct me.
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"John" <y_tu_momma_tambien.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > "John" <y_tu_momma_tambien.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> > > "Hugh Beyer" <beyerxyzzy.DeleteThis@acm.org> wrote in message
> > > news:Xns9618A98E8D78Fhughrbeyeracmorg@130.133.1.4...
> > >> "Vincent Ng" <thiamsweeng.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote in
> > > news:1110715191.833714.120530
> > >> @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> >
> > >> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I
> > >> > weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal
> > >> > meals three times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my
> > >> > training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a
> > >> > week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on
the
> > >> > day I train. But I was told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a
week
> > >> > and also take 6 amino acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that
> > >> > protein and my normal meals. Is it going to be harmful for my
kidney?
> > >> > If you need anymore information please ask and advice will be
> > >> > welcomed.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks
> > >> > Vincent
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day
(whether
> > >> you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're
> > >> healthy. Your whey protein powder counts towards that total. So
> > >> estimate how much you're getting in the rest of your eating and make
up
> > >> for it with the whey.
> > >>
> > >> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.
> > >
> > > I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz. of
> > > protein?
> >
> > No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are measured
in
> > pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to do the conversion
> > yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in kg.
> >
> > There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who you
> > believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.
>
> So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit high.
But
> if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a day, which seems
> more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct me.

Some references. Even one from Mr. Brink:
http://www.brinkzone.com/protein.html
http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Protein.html
http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2104
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> "John" <y_tu_momma_tambien.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "Hugh Beyer" <beyerxyzzy.TakeThisOut@acm.org> wrote in message
>> news:Xns9618B66856216hughrbeyeracmorg@130.133.1.4...
>> > "John" <y_tu_momma_tambien.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> > news:7Z2Zd.132879$Th1.47307@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>> >
>> > > "Hugh Beyer" <beyerxyzzy.TakeThisOut@acm.org> wrote in message
>> > > news:Xns9618A98E8D78Fhughrbeyeracmorg@130.133.1.4...
>> > >> "Vincent Ng" <thiamsweeng.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in
>> > >> news:1110715191.833714.120530 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>> > >>
>> > >> > Hi,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I
>> > >> > weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my
>> > >> > normal meals three times a day. I just started taking protein to
>> > >> > boost my training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours
>> > >> > 3 times a week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of Whey
>> > >> > Protein only on the day I train. But I was told to drink it
>> > >> > twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino acids 1000mg
>> > >> > tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal meals. Is
>> > >> > it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
>> > >> > information please ask and advice will be welcomed.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Thanks
>> > >> > Vincent
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >>
>> > >> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day
>> > >> (whether you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming
>> > >> you're healthy. Your whey protein powder counts towards that
>> > >> total. So estimate how much you're getting in the rest of your
>> > >> eating and make up for it with the whey.
>> > >>
>> > >> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.
>> > >
>> > > I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz.
>> > > of protein?
>> >
>> > No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are
>> > measured in pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to do
>> > the conversion yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in kg.
>> >
>> > There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who you
>> > believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.
>>
>> So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit
>> high. But if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a day,
>> which seems more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct me.
>
> Some references. Even one from Mr. Brink:
> http://www.brinkzone.com/protein.html
> http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Protein.html
> http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2104
>
>

Didn't follow all the links, but Will's says "1.7 - 1.8 grams of
protein/kilogram of body mass per day for strength exercisers." 1g/lb is a
convenient shorthand. Also not it's really 1g/lb of *lean* bodyweight, not
total bodyweight.

Hugh


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> >> > > "Hugh Beyer" <beyerxyzzy RemoveThis @acm.org> wrote in message
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> >> > >> "Vincent Ng" <thiamsweeng RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote in
> >> > >> news:1110715191.833714.120530 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> > Hi,
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I
> >> > >> > weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my
> >> > >> > normal meals three times a day. I just started taking protein to
> >> > >> > boost my training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours
> >> > >> > 3 times a week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of Whey
> >> > >> > Protein only on the day I train. But I was told to drink it
> >> > >> > twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino acids 1000mg
> >> > >> > tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal meals. Is
> >> > >> > it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
> >> > >> > information please ask and advice will be welcomed.
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> > Thanks
> >> > >> > Vincent
> >> > >> >
> >> > >> >
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day
> >> > >> (whether you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming
> >> > >> you're healthy. Your whey protein powder counts towards that
> >> > >> total. So estimate how much you're getting in the rest of your
> >> > >> eating and make up for it with the whey.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.
> >> > >
> >> > > I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz.
> >> > > of protein?
> >> >
> >> > No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are
> >> > measured in pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to do
> >> > the conversion yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in kg.
> >> >
> >> > There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who you
> >> > believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.
> >>
> >> So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit
> >> high. But if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a day,
> >> which seems more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct me.
> >
> > Some references. Even one from Mr. Brink:
> > http://www.brinkzone.com/protein.html
> > http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Protein.html
> > http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2104
> >
> >
>
> Didn't follow all the links, but Will's says "1.7 - 1.8 grams of
> protein/kilogram of body mass per day for strength exercisers." 1g/lb is a
> convenient shorthand. Also not it's really 1g/lb of *lean* bodyweight, not
> total bodyweight.

err, I'll agree that 1g/lb is a rough shorthand, but I think it way
overestimates what its needed. For me, the difference between 1.7g/kg of LBM
and 1g/lb of LBM is 42.2 g of protein. If that much protein doesn't give you
the shits....

I found another site that states, "...the group that ingested 2.4 grams of
protein did not see any more increased protein synthesis than the 1.4 grams
of protein group." This came from http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maki1.htm
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> > >> > > "Hugh Beyer" <beyerxyzzy.RemoveThis@acm.org> wrote in message
> > >> > > news:Xns9618A98E8D78Fhughrbeyeracmorg@130.133.1.4...
> > >> > >> "Vincent Ng" <thiamsweeng.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in
> > >> > >> news:1110715191.833714.120530 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> > Hi,
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago.
I
> > >> > >> > weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my
> > >> > >> > normal meals three times a day. I just started taking protein
to
> > >> > >> > boost my training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2
hours
> > >> > >> > 3 times a week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of Whey
> > >> > >> > Protein only on the day I train. But I was told to drink it
> > >> > >> > twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino acids
1000mg
> > >> > >> > tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal meals.
Is
> > >> > >> > it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
> > >> > >> > information please ask and advice will be welcomed.
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> > Thanks
> > >> > >> > Vincent
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >> >
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day
> > >> > >> (whether you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys,
assuming
> > >> > >> you're healthy. Your whey protein powder counts towards that
> > >> > >> total. So estimate how much you're getting in the rest of your
> > >> > >> eating and make up for it with the whey.
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz.
> > >> > > of protein?
> > >> >
> > >> > No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are
> > >> > measured in pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to
do
> > >> > the conversion yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in kg.
> > >> >
> > >> > There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who you
> > >> > believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.
> > >>
> > >> So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit
> > >> high. But if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a
day,
> > >> which seems more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct me.
> > >
> > > Some references. Even one from Mr. Brink:
> > > http://www.brinkzone.com/protein.html
> > > http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Protein.html
> > > http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2104
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Didn't follow all the links, but Will's says "1.7 - 1.8 grams of
> > protein/kilogram of body mass per day for strength exercisers." 1g/lb is
a
> > convenient shorthand. Also not it's really 1g/lb of *lean* bodyweight,
not
> > total bodyweight.
>
> err, I'll agree that 1g/lb is a rough shorthand, but I think it way
> overestimates what its needed. For me, the difference between 1.7g/kg of
LBM
> and 1g/lb of LBM is 42.2 g of protein. If that much protein doesn't give
you
> the shits....
>
> I found another site that states, "...the group that ingested 2.4 grams of
> protein did not see any more increased protein synthesis than the 1.4
grams
> of protein group." This came from
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maki1.htm

Again, I could be wrong, and I would like to find out how much protein I
need to get the best results. If I need 185 g/day, then that's what I'll
take.
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> "Hugh Beyer" <beyerxyzzy DeleteThis @acm.org> wrote in message
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>> "John" <y_tu_momma_tambien DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
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>> > "John" <y_tu_momma_tambien DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:xL3Zd.133006$Th1.120333@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> >> "Hugh Beyer" <beyerxyzzy DeleteThis @acm.org> wrote in message
>> >> news:Xns9618B66856216hughrbeyeracmorg@130.133.1.4...
>> >> > "John" <y_tu_momma_tambien DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
>> >> > news:7Z2Zd.132879$Th1.47307@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>> >> >
>> >> > > "Hugh Beyer" <beyerxyzzy DeleteThis @acm.org> wrote in message
>> >> > > news:Xns9618A98E8D78Fhughrbeyeracmorg@130.133.1.4...
>> >> > >> "Vincent Ng" <thiamsweeng DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in
>> >> > >> news:1110715191.833714.120530 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> > Hi,
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago.
>> >> > >> > I weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my
>> >> > >> > normal meals three times a day. I just started taking protein
>> >> > >> > to boost my training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2
>> >> > >> > hours 3 times a week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of
>> >> > >> > Whey Protein only on the day I train. But I was told to drink
>> >> > >> > it twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino acids
>> >> > >> > 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal
>> >> > >> > meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need
>> >> > >> > anymore information please ask and advice will be welcomed.
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> > Thanks
>> >> > >> > Vincent
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >> >
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day
>> >> > >> (whether you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys,
>> >> > >> assuming you're healthy. Your whey protein powder counts
>> >> > >> towards that total. So estimate how much you're getting in the
>> >> > >> rest of your eating and make up for it with the whey.
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be
>> >> > > oz. of protein?
>> >> >
>> >> > No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are
>> >> > measured in pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to
>> >> > do the conversion yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in
>> >> > kg.
>> >> >
>> >> > There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who
>> >> > you believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.
>> >>
>> >> So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit
>> >> high. But if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a
>> >> day, which seems more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct
>> >> me.
>> >
>> > Some references. Even one from Mr. Brink:
>> > http://www.brinkzone.com/protein.html
>> > http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Protein.html
>> > http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2104
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Didn't follow all the links, but Will's says "1.7 - 1.8 grams of
>> protein/kilogram of body mass per day for strength exercisers." 1g/lb
>> is a convenient shorthand. Also not it's really 1g/lb of *lean*
>> bodyweight, not total bodyweight.
>
> err, I'll agree that 1g/lb is a rough shorthand, but I think it way
> overestimates what its needed. For me, the difference between 1.7g/kg of
> LBM and 1g/lb of LBM is 42.2 g of protein. If that much protein doesn't
> give you the shits....
>
> I found another site that states, "...the group that ingested 2.4 grams
> of protein did not see any more increased protein synthesis than the 1.4
> grams of protein group." This came from
> http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maki1.htm
>
>
>

So you ignored the rest of Will's article and are using a study showing
you don't need to eat almost double the amount of protein anybody's
suggested to prove you don't need to eat much less?

Whatever. Have fun. Work on reading comprehension.

Hugh

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> >> >> >
> >> >> > > "Hugh Beyer" <beyerxyzzy DeleteThis @acm.org> wrote in message
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> >> >> > >> "Vincent Ng" <thiamsweeng DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in
> >> >> > >> news:1110715191.833714.120530 @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> > Hi,
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago.
> >> >> > >> > I weight about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my
> >> >> > >> > normal meals three times a day. I just started taking protein
> >> >> > >> > to boost my training in the gym. I go to the gym for about 2
> >> >> > >> > hours 3 times a week. I started with only driking 2 scoop of
> >> >> > >> > Whey Protein only on the day I train. But I was told to drink
> >> >> > >> > it twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6 amino acids
> >> >> > >> > 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal
> >> >> > >> > meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need
> >> >> > >> > anymore information please ask and advice will be welcomed.
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> > Thanks
> >> >> > >> > Vincent
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >> >
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day
> >> >> > >> (whether you train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys,
> >> >> > >> assuming you're healthy. Your whey protein powder counts
> >> >> > >> towards that total. So estimate how much you're getting in the
> >> >> > >> rest of your eating and make up for it with the whey.
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be
> >> >> > > oz. of protein?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No, cuz protein's always measured in grams, whereas people are
> >> >> > measured in pounds in civilized parts of the world. You'll have to
> >> >> > do the conversion yourself if you insist on weighing yourself in
> >> >> > kg.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > There's different ratios depending on what you're up to and who
> >> >> > you believe. I gave you the MFW-standard ratio for weightlifters.
> >> >>
> >> >> So I should be taking 185 grams of protein a day? That seems a bit
> >> >> high. But if it were 1 g per kg of LBM, then I'd be taking 84 g a
> >> >> day, which seems more realistic. But, if I am wrong, please correct
> >> >> me.
> >> >
> >> > Some references. Even one from Mr. Brink:
> >> > http://www.brinkzone.com/protein.html
> >> > http://www.exrx.net/Nutrition/Protein.html
> >> > http://www.healthy.net/scr/article.asp?ID=2104
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Didn't follow all the links, but Will's says "1.7 - 1.8 grams of
> >> protein/kilogram of body mass per day for strength exercisers." 1g/lb
> >> is a convenient shorthand. Also not it's really 1g/lb of *lean*
> >> bodyweight, not total bodyweight.
> >
> > err, I'll agree that 1g/lb is a rough shorthand, but I think it way
> > overestimates what its needed. For me, the difference between 1.7g/kg of
> > LBM and 1g/lb of LBM is 42.2 g of protein. If that much protein doesn't
> > give you the shits....
> >
> > I found another site that states, "...the group that ingested 2.4 grams
> > of protein did not see any more increased protein synthesis than the 1.4
> > grams of protein group." This came from
> > http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/maki1.htm
> >
> >
> >
>
> So you ignored the rest of Will's article and are using a study showing
> you don't need to eat almost double the amount of protein anybody's
> suggested to prove you don't need to eat much less?
>
> Whatever. Have fun. Work on reading comprehension.

Now, now. No need to get pissy. It just struck me odd to use two different
factors. But if the norm is 1g/lb, then so be it. I am just trying to get
the right information.
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> > news:Xns9618A98E8D78Fhughrbeyeracmorg@130.133.1.4...
> >> "Vincent Ng" <thiamsweeng.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in
> > news:1110715191.833714.120530
> >> @z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I am a beginner at weight training only started 6 months ago. I
> >> > weight
> >> > about 72KG and i am in my early twenties. I take my normal meals
> >> > three
> >> > times a day. I just started taking protein to boost my training in
> >> > the
> >> > gym. I go to the gym for about 2 hours 3 times a week. I started
> >> > with
> >> > only driking 2 scoop of Whey Protein only on the day I train. But I
> >> > was
> >> > told to drink it twice a day for 6 days a week and also take 6
> >> > amino
> >> > acids 1000mg tablets everyday. With all that protein and my normal
> >> > meals. Is it going to be harmful for my kidney? If you need anymore
> >> > information please ask and advice will be welcomed.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> > Vincent
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Rule of thumb is 1g protein / lb of lean bodyweight every day
> >> (whether you
> >> train or not). That won't hurt your kidneys, assuming you're healthy.
> >> Your
> >> whey protein powder counts towards that total. So estimate how much
> >> you're
> >> getting in the rest of your eating and make up for it with the whey.
> >>
> >> 4 scoops a day is probably more than you need.
> >
> > I thought it was per kg. If it is lb. of LBM, shouldn't it be oz. of
> > protein?
>
> I heard what you heard.
>
> Let's differentiate between maintaining size and gaining size. If
> you're trying to stay the same, 1 gr per kg seems to be sufficient. If
> you're trying to get bigger, it makes sense to both get more calories
> per day into your body and to be sure some of those additional calories
> are also protein, e.g., if you're eating 500 calories per day surplus in
> order to gain weight, and half those calories come from protein, that's
> an extra ~60 grams of protein if I did the math right..

I think protein has 4 calories per g.
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