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(Msg. 1) Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:12 pm
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Hi,

Just wondering how legitimate and accurate this product is. I've had
it for several months and it looks great and "says the right things" (I
do bust my ass in the gym, though) but like all electronic devices I
question them.

I'll stop here in case nobody has one of these Smile

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:07 pm
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fatness trainer wrote:
> Re: Polar F11 fitness trainer...
> Just wondering how legitimate and accurate this product is. I've had
> it for several months and it looks great and "says the right things" (I
> do bust my ass in the gym, though) but like all electronic devices I
> question them.

Depends on what you're asking to be accurate.

I believe it accurately measures and reports your
heart rate. (Although I suspect it is a moving
average over 5 sec, not an instanteous value. IMHO,
that's a good thing.) Generally, I believe that HRMs
that use a chest strap measure HR more accurately
than other methods.

Caveat: Devices that rely on wireless transmission
can be affected adversely by electromagnetic interference.
Also, inaccurate measurements can result if the
electrodes are not sufficiently moist.

However, no device of that type can accurately
determine MHR, VO2max or calories burned, much less
%fat burned. They rely on statistical data, based
on your inputs. The statistical data have wide
margins of statistical error. One HRM manufacturer
said +/-30%.

Note: If you can set the MHR and/or VO2max manually,
and if you determined them in an "accurate" manner,
of course %MHR will be accurate.

As for the built-in training programs, well, take
them with a huge grain of salt. First, since MHR is
inaccurate, the training zones based on %MHR are
inaccurate. Second, no one training program can fit
everyone. (Nor can the 3 offered by the Polar F11.)

But that is not to trash the entire concept. The
training programs might be a good starting point, as
long as you can set the MHR manually.

I now yield the floor to those who will preach their
anti-HRM mantra. Personally, I think an HRM is useful.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 11:51 am
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Thanks for the reply. So how does one determine exactly the best MHR
for best cardio? Is it as basic as "the more you sweat"? I maintain a
constant heart-rate between about 165-172 for 45 minutes. It seems the
point at which I can maintain it without too much problem and I feel
comfortable but am sweating profusely...Good, bad, ?

Thanks!
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2005 12:45 pm
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fatness trainer wrote:
> Thanks for the reply. So how does one determine exactly
> the best MHR for best cardio?

I think you asking about %MHR, not MHR. The short answer
is: there is no such thing as "best %MHR", contrary to
popularized terminology designed to motivate people.

> Is it as basic as "the more you sweat"?

Generally, no.

> I maintain a constant heart-rate between about 165-172
> for 45 minutes.

Those numbers are not meaningful without knowing your MHR.
And by "MHR", I do not mean the estimate "age - 220",
although that is a starting point.

Also, what is "best" for cardio development is variable,
not constant HR. The best program for "interval training"
depends on the individual. But to give some idea, I
mean alternative intervals of a few minutes at 85-90%
(pushing your lactate threshold) and several-to-many
minutes at 75-85%. But that presumes that you are already
at an intermediate fitness level or better and in good
medical condition.

This is all predicated on knowing your MHR. I do not
recommend expensive and risky maximal stress tests,
unless you are a serious competitive athlete. I believe
you can estimate your MHR fairly well with your own ad
hoc submaximal test.

> It seems the point at which I can maintain it without
> too much problem and I feel comfortable but am sweating
> profusely...Good, bad, ?

Sounds like you might be under-exerting yourself. When
you are done with a "good workout", you should feel spent,
but you could go on for another 20 min if you wanted to.

The talk test is a better indicator than amount of sweat.
Google "rate of perceived exertion test". For one example,
see http://www.ginmiller.com/gmf04/artinfo/THR4rpetalktest.htm .
I do not agree with the specifics on that web page. But
it should give you some idea of what I am talking about.

Some people rely entirely on perceived exertion, eschewing
physical measurements such as %MHR. I prefer to use both.
I use perceived exertion to calibrate my HRM. Then I
mostly rely on the HRM because perceived exertion is
highly sensitive to psychological factors. But I still
listen to my body because HR can be misleading occassionally
(changes in stress, medication, extreme weather, etc).
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:00 am
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