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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 1:55 pm
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"JMW" <jmwilliams DeleteThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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> "Steve Freides" <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>"Steve" <sdaniel13 DeleteThis @speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>> I'm as uneducated as they come where weights and gym equipment are
>>> concerned. I want to buy a weight bench or SOME sort of weight
>>> training
>>> equipment that will take up very little space in my cramped
>>> apartment
>>> and still afford me a reasonable workout. I considered getting a
>>> used
>>> soloflex machine, but they're too big. I need something small. I
>>> just
>>> don't know whether anything out there takes up so little space while
>>> still affording a real workout. Maybe this just isn't realistic.
>>>
>>> Any thoughts?
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>>Yes, buy a kettlebell, the kettlebell book, and the kettlebell DVD.
>>If
>>you're into competition powerlifting or having a big bench press, this
>>won't do, but if you're after excellent strength and conditioning,
>>it's
>>just the ticket and it'll cost you about $150. For that money or
>>less,
>>you can also choose dumbbells and see http://www.stumptuous.com and
>>get
>>good dumbbell-only workouts there, but kettlebells are fun, take very
>>little space, travel easily in a car, and offer a wider variety of
>>exercises than a dumbbell.
>
> Your prejudices are showing.
Yes, absolutely, but if you want to get into semantics here, "prejudice"
means to pre-judge or otherwise form an opinion without sufficient
knowledge or facts, which is not what I'm doing. I've experienced many
kinds of weights, I've lifted enough to collect three age-group deadlift
world records in AAU powerlifting, and I've formed a judgement, not a
pre-judgement, based on my experiences. Kettlebells aren't the only
things I train with - my online training log shows exactly what I do
every day - but for someone like the OP here, looking for an effective
workout in a small space, the kettlebell starter package DragonDoor
sells (one kb, one dvd, one book) is, based on what I know and what I've
experienced, an excellent idea.
> I'm sure if I was feeling creative, I
> could come up with just as many novel movements to use with dumbbells
> as Pavel can dream up for kettlebells.
Yes and no. There are movements that one can do with all three -
barbell, dumbbell, kettlebell - with relatively minor differences, and
there are movements where the form of the weight really does make a
difference. There is, e.g., nothing I can think of that gets you ready
to lift heavy stones, strongman style, that you can do with any of the
three implements I listed. Some things are pretty specific. The
kettlebell swing is _the_ basic kettlebell movement, and it doesn't work
as well with anything else. You can do swings with a dumbbell but it is
really not the same, and I have yet to meet a single person who has done
both who disagrees. And you can get a great workout, increasing overall
strength, explosiveness, helping with weight loss, etc., by doing
nothing except swinging a kettlebell every day.
> And kettlebells come in one
> weight per kettlebell. Dumbbell handles weigh five pounds and can be
> increased by plates up to about 80 pounds in five-pound increments.
Yes, this is a disadvantage of kettlebells, I agree. I own several
Olympic barbells and a pile of weights, and I use them daily. I own
several kettlebells and I use them daily as well. I also own both 1"
and Olympic dumbbell handles and they sit for months at a time untouched
in the corner of my basement. If I had $50, I'd get an adjustable
dumbbell set. If I had $150, I'd get the kettlebell starter kit. If I
had more money and more room, I'd get, in this order, an Olympic 300 lb.
starter set, rubber floor mats, the kettlebell starter kit, and a power
rack. The kettlebell starter kit isn't my first choice, an Olympic
weight set is, but if space is limited, it moves to the head of the
list.
My training log may be seen here for anyone interested.
http://www.kbnj.com/log.htm
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:55:15 -0400, "Steve Freides"
<steve.DeleteThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
> I've experienced many
>kinds of weights, I've lifted enough to collect three age-group deadlift
>world records in AAU powerlifting, and I've formed a judgement, not a
>pre-judgement, based on my experiences.
In all fairness, those records are relatively meaningless. You'd have
to pull well over 500 to set them in the USAPL. The best guys in your
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On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:25:50 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
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>"JMW" <jmwilliams.DeleteThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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>> "Steve" <sdaniel13.DeleteThis@speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>I'm as uneducated as they come where weights and gym equipment are
>>>concerned. I want to buy a weight bench or SOME sort of weight training
>>>equipment that will take up very little space in my cramped apartment
>>>and still afford me a reasonable workout. I considered getting a used
>>>soloflex machine, but they're too big. I need something small. I just
>>>don't know whether anything out there takes up so little space while
>>>still affording a real workout. Maybe this just isn't realistic.
>>>
>>>Any thoughts?
>>
>> There is a solution, though not the optimal one.
>>
>> Adjustable dumbbell handles
>> Plenty of iron plates
>> A 65cm anti-burst exercise ball
>> A heavy rubber mat, about 3' X 5'
>>
>> the first three can be purchased somewhat cheaply at one of the major
>> sporting goods franchises. The final item is best found at a farm
>> supply store; the good ones are used in horse stables.
>>
>> You can perform a lot of lifts with this setup: dumbbell bench press
>> on the exercise ball, squats holding dumbbells in both hands with the
>> exercise ball between your back and the wall (weighted Swiss ball
>> squats), straight-legged deadlifts with dumbbells in boths hands, plus
>> the usual dumbbell exercises. For seated exercises, use the exercise
>> ball. The exercise ball is also good for crunches and reverse hypers.
>>
>> You could get a decent workout with just that equipment. However,
>> there's one preliminary question: Will you actually use it? The
>> setup will be compact, but will it just sit in corner, unused?
>>
>> Only you can answer that question.
>>
>> --
>>
>> JMW
>> http://www.rustyiron.net
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>I've gone through periods where I worked out on my own. Many of my MA days
>were on my own doing kicking drills, bag work...anything. Running and
>biking, same. But I've found that I like the social setting of a gym, and
>enjoy the company of others of like health-minded goals. That alone is
>worth the $40 per month.
>
My own gym is like a club and there is a great friendly atmosphere
among staff and clients. It is a really good environment in which to
train and we all thoroughly enjoy it; I have made many good friends
there.
Have a great weekend Larry; I'm back to target weight and back to
enjoying myself following my annual bant, so I am in the middle of a
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:57:11 +0100, Charles <jrh.RemoveThis@msn.com> wrote:
> It is a really good environment in which to
>train
Someone ask the limey bastard what he is "training" for? The stupidass
is NOT traing, he's working out. In order to be "training" you need to
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"John Hanson" <jhanson DeleteThis @northernlinks.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:55:15 -0400, "Steve Freides"
> <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>> I've experienced many
>>kinds of weights, I've lifted enough to collect three age-group
>>deadlift
>>world records in AAU powerlifting, and I've formed a judgement, not a
>>pre-judgement, based on my experiences.
>
> In all fairness, those records are relatively meaningless. You'd have
> to pull well over 500 to set them in the USAPL. The best guys in your
> age and weight class in the USAPL will open with a weight higher than
> your "world record".
John, "in all fairness," I trained, I showed up, and I lifted. My
opener of 150 kg broke the previous record, and so did my other two
lifts, so the record is now 165 kg. They're the world records on the
books until someone else in my division (raw, 148 lbs., 50-54 years old)
lifts more.
All of which is my 'relatively' nice way, from one lifter to another, of
saying f--- you, buddy.
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"Steve Freides" <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>"John Hanson" <jhanson DeleteThis @northernlinks.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:55:15 -0400, "Steve Freides"
>> <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>> I've experienced many
>>>kinds of weights, I've lifted enough to collect three age-group
>>>deadlift
>>>world records in AAU powerlifting, and I've formed a judgement, not a
>>>pre-judgement, based on my experiences.
>>
>> In all fairness, those records are relatively meaningless. You'd have
>> to pull well over 500 to set them in the USAPL. The best guys in your
>> age and weight class in the USAPL will open with a weight higher than
>> your "world record".
>
>John, "in all fairness," I trained, I showed up, and I lifted. My
>opener of 150 kg broke the previous record, and so did my other two
>lifts, so the record is now 165 kg. They're the world records on the
>books until someone else in my division (raw, 148 lbs., 50-54 years old)
>lifts more.
>
>All of which is my 'relatively' nice way, from one lifter to another, of
>saying f--- you, buddy.
He's right, Steve. Stating your numbers is fine. Dragging out an AAU
World Record is another thing all together. You lifted 148# raw,
right? I just checked the records. I will be in the same age class
in about 7 months. Bench press is my best lift. If I was to compete
next year in the raw category for my normal powerlifting weight
(198#), the current world record bench press for that subclass is just
eight pounds more than the lift I completed the first time I laid down
on a bench in a USAPL meet.
An AAU World Record is great to have in a frame at home. Be careful
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"JMW" <jmwilliams.TakeThisOut@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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> "Steve Freides" <steve.TakeThisOut@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>"John Hanson" <jhanson.TakeThisOut@northernlinks.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:55:15 -0400, "Steve Freides"
>>> <steve.TakeThisOut@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>>> I've experienced many
>>>>kinds of weights, I've lifted enough to collect three age-group
>>>>deadlift
>>>>world records in AAU powerlifting, and I've formed a judgement, not
>>>>a
>>>>pre-judgement, based on my experiences.
>>>
>>> In all fairness, those records are relatively meaningless. You'd
>>> have
>>> to pull well over 500 to set them in the USAPL. The best guys in
>>> your
>>> age and weight class in the USAPL will open with a weight higher
>>> than
>>> your "world record".
>>
>>John, "in all fairness," I trained, I showed up, and I lifted. My
>>opener of 150 kg broke the previous record, and so did my other two
>>lifts, so the record is now 165 kg. They're the world records on the
>>books until someone else in my division (raw, 148 lbs., 50-54 years
>>old)
>>lifts more.
>>
>>All of which is my 'relatively' nice way, from one lifter to another,
>>of
>>saying f--- you, buddy.
>
> He's right, Steve. Stating your numbers is fine. Dragging out an AAU
> World Record is another thing all together. You lifted 148# raw,
> right? I just checked the records. I will be in the same age class
> in about 7 months. Bench press is my best lift. If I was to compete
> next year in the raw category for my normal powerlifting weight
> (198#), the current world record bench press for that subclass is just
> eight pounds more than the lift I completed the first time I laid down
> on a bench in a USAPL meet.
>
> An AAU World Record is great to have in a frame at home. Be careful
> about flaunting it in this newsgroup.
The records are there for the taking, Comrade.  Look, e.g., at the
all-round lifting federation. Here are their world record listings:
http://iawa.homestead.com/worldrecords.html
For many of the pages, most of the entries are blank - pick a lift and
enter. This is not only the AAU. There are events for my age and
weight class that have never been set. Nothing would make me happier
than to be the first to set them. Age- and weight-group records are
good for the sport because they bring in people as participants who
would be less likely to get involved otherwise. I'm a good example.
I'm delighted to be the only guy in my division at some of the meets I
attend.
My point is that it's comparing apples and oranges to talk about "what
if" situations - if I was to compete next year in the raw category,
etc. - show up and lift, earn a world record, then post a message here
saying you think your record is meaningless if that's what you'd like to
do, but earn the record first.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, just don't begrudge me
mine.
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"Steve Freides" <steve.DeleteThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>"JMW" <jmwilliams.DeleteThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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>> "Steve Freides" <steve.DeleteThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>>"John Hanson" <jhanson.DeleteThis@northernlinks.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:55:15 -0400, "Steve Freides"
>>>> <steve.DeleteThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>>>> I've experienced many
>>>>>kinds of weights, I've lifted enough to collect three age-group
>>>>>deadlift
>>>>>world records in AAU powerlifting, and I've formed a judgement, not
>>>>>a
>>>>>pre-judgement, based on my experiences.
>>>>
>>>> In all fairness, those records are relatively meaningless. You'd
>>>> have
>>>> to pull well over 500 to set them in the USAPL. The best guys in
>>>> your
>>>> age and weight class in the USAPL will open with a weight higher
>>>> than
>>>> your "world record".
>>>
>>>John, "in all fairness," I trained, I showed up, and I lifted. My
>>>opener of 150 kg broke the previous record, and so did my other two
>>>lifts, so the record is now 165 kg. They're the world records on the
>>>books until someone else in my division (raw, 148 lbs., 50-54 years
>>>old)
>>>lifts more.
>>>
>>>All of which is my 'relatively' nice way, from one lifter to another,
>>>of
>>>saying f--- you, buddy.
>>
>> He's right, Steve. Stating your numbers is fine. Dragging out an AAU
>> World Record is another thing all together. You lifted 148# raw,
>> right? I just checked the records. I will be in the same age class
>> in about 7 months. Bench press is my best lift. If I was to compete
>> next year in the raw category for my normal powerlifting weight
>> (198#), the current world record bench press for that subclass is just
>> eight pounds more than the lift I completed the first time I laid down
>> on a bench in a USAPL meet.
>>
>> An AAU World Record is great to have in a frame at home. Be careful
>> about flaunting it in this newsgroup.
>
>The records are there for the taking, Comrade. Look, e.g., at the
>all-round lifting federation. Here are their world record listings:
>
>http://iawa.homestead.com/worldrecords.html
>
>For many of the pages, most of the entries are blank - pick a lift and
>enter. This is not only the AAU. There are events for my age and
>weight class that have never been set. Nothing would make me happier
>than to be the first to set them. Age- and weight-group records are
>good for the sport because they bring in people as participants who
>would be less likely to get involved otherwise. I'm a good example.
>I'm delighted to be the only guy in my division at some of the meets I
>attend.
>
>My point is that it's comparing apples and oranges to talk about "what
>if" situations - if I was to compete next year in the raw category,
>etc. - show up and lift, earn a world record, then post a message here
>saying you think your record is meaningless if that's what you'd like to
>do, but earn the record first.
Didn't Keith Hobman already do something like that? If I lift in a
meet next year, I think I'll stick to the USAPL and accept not coming
anywhere near the world record.
>Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, just don't begrudge me
>mine.
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>>"JMW" <jmwilliams DeleteThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Steve Freides" <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>>>"John Hanson" <jhanson DeleteThis @northernlinks.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:55:15 -0400, "Steve Freides"
>>>>> <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>>>>> I've experienced many
>>>>>>kinds of weights, I've lifted enough to collect three age-group
>>>>>>deadlift
>>>>>>world records in AAU powerlifting, and I've formed a judgement,
>>>>>>not
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>pre-judgement, based on my experiences.
>>>>>
>>>>> In all fairness, those records are relatively meaningless. You'd
>>>>> have
>>>>> to pull well over 500 to set them in the USAPL. The best guys in
>>>>> your
>>>>> age and weight class in the USAPL will open with a weight higher
>>>>> than
>>>>> your "world record".
>>>>
>>>>John, "in all fairness," I trained, I showed up, and I lifted. My
>>>>opener of 150 kg broke the previous record, and so did my other two
>>>>lifts, so the record is now 165 kg. They're the world records on
>>>>the
>>>>books until someone else in my division (raw, 148 lbs., 50-54 years
>>>>old)
>>>>lifts more.
>>>>
>>>>All of which is my 'relatively' nice way, from one lifter to
>>>>another,
>>>>of
>>>>saying f--- you, buddy.
>>>
>>> He's right, Steve. Stating your numbers is fine. Dragging out an
>>> AAU
>>> World Record is another thing all together. You lifted 148# raw,
>>> right? I just checked the records. I will be in the same age class
>>> in about 7 months. Bench press is my best lift. If I was to
>>> compete
>>> next year in the raw category for my normal powerlifting weight
>>> (198#), the current world record bench press for that subclass is
>>> just
>>> eight pounds more than the lift I completed the first time I laid
>>> down
>>> on a bench in a USAPL meet.
>>>
>>> An AAU World Record is great to have in a frame at home. Be careful
>>> about flaunting it in this newsgroup.
>>
>>The records are there for the taking, Comrade. Look, e.g., at the
>>all-round lifting federation. Here are their world record listings:
>>
>>http://iawa.homestead.com/worldrecords.html
>>
>>For many of the pages, most of the entries are blank - pick a lift and
>>enter. This is not only the AAU. There are events for my age and
>>weight class that have never been set. Nothing would make me happier
>>than to be the first to set them. Age- and weight-group records are
>>good for the sport because they bring in people as participants who
>>would be less likely to get involved otherwise. I'm a good example.
>>I'm delighted to be the only guy in my division at some of the meets I
>>attend.
>>
>>My point is that it's comparing apples and oranges to talk about "what
>>if" situations - if I was to compete next year in the raw category,
>>etc. - show up and lift, earn a world record, then post a message here
>>saying you think your record is meaningless if that's what you'd like
>>to
>>do, but earn the record first.
>
> Didn't Keith Hobman already do something like that? If I lift in a
> meet next year, I think I'll stick to the USAPL and accept not coming
> anywhere near the world record.
>
>>Everyone is entitled to their opinion, of course, just don't begrudge
>>me
>>mine.
>
> You're entitled to your opinion. Personally, I don't take too much
> pride in something too easily won.
You know my history. It wasn't easily achieved, even if was easily won.
FWIW, from the USAPL site
http://www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/ranking/2005/men_m3.html
I'd be deadlifter #5 even lifting raw there. Not a record, certainly,
but it would be fun to be on such a list. I just emailed the state
chair for NJ and will see about lifting at the USAPL meet. Not a lot of
competition in the old, skinny guy division, even in the USAPL.
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>You're entitled to your opinion. Personally, I don't take
>too much pride in something too easily won.
You are such a putz, Emmy.
Perhaps Monty Python said it best: "I fart in your general direction!
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:30:20 -0400, "Steve Freides"
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>"John Hanson" <jhanson.RemoveThis@northernlinks.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:55:15 -0400, "Steve Freides"
>> <steve.RemoveThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>> I've experienced many
>>>kinds of weights, I've lifted enough to collect three age-group
>>>deadlift
>>>world records in AAU powerlifting, and I've formed a judgement, not a
>>>pre-judgement, based on my experiences.
>>
>> In all fairness, those records are relatively meaningless. You'd have
>> to pull well over 500 to set them in the USAPL. The best guys in your
>> age and weight class in the USAPL will open with a weight higher than
>> your "world record".
>
>John, "in all fairness," I trained, I showed up, and I lifted. My
>opener of 150 kg broke the previous record, and so did my other two
>lifts, so the record is now 165 kg. They're the world records on the
>books until someone else in my division (raw, 148 lbs., 50-54 years old)
>lifts more.
All the self respecting drug free folks lift USAPL/IPF. Ron Hoff can
pull 500 raw at the same age and bodyweight and he doesn't even
compete anymore.
>
>All of which is my 'relatively' nice way, from one lifter to another, of
>saying f--- you, buddy.
>
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:36 am
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"John Hanson" <jhanson RemoveThis @northernlinks.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:30:20 -0400, "Steve Freides"
> <steve RemoveThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
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>>"John Hanson" <jhanson RemoveThis @northernlinks.com> wrote in message
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>>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:55:15 -0400, "Steve Freides"
>>> <steve RemoveThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>>> I've experienced many
>>>>kinds of weights, I've lifted enough to collect three age-group
>>>>deadlift
>>>>world records in AAU powerlifting, and I've formed a judgement, not
>>>>a
>>>>pre-judgement, based on my experiences.
>>>
>>> In all fairness, those records are relatively meaningless. You'd
>>> have
>>> to pull well over 500 to set them in the USAPL. The best guys in
>>> your
>>> age and weight class in the USAPL will open with a weight higher
>>> than
>>> your "world record".
>>
>>John, "in all fairness," I trained, I showed up, and I lifted. My
>>opener of 150 kg broke the previous record, and so did my other two
>>lifts, so the record is now 165 kg. They're the world records on the
>>books until someone else in my division (raw, 148 lbs., 50-54 years
>>old)
>>lifts more.
>
> All the self respecting drug free folks lift USAPL/IPF. -snip-
Bullshit. "My way or the highway", John? There are plenty of lifting
federations, including several raw-only. What would you think if I
said, "All self respecting drug free folks lift without supportive
gear?" It's a point of view I do not subscribe to. I respect what you
do; if you don't respect what I do, that's on you.
-S-
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 1:36 am
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On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 22:36:45 -0400, "Steve Freides"
<steve.RemoveThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>"John Hanson" <jhanson.RemoveThis@northernlinks.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:30:20 -0400, "Steve Freides"
>> <steve.RemoveThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>
>>>"John Hanson" <jhanson.RemoveThis@northernlinks.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4g4242ltcu38d6rdkv3h55ir9ijdot9dri@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sat, 15 Apr 2006 10:55:15 -0400, "Steve Freides"
>>>> <steve.RemoveThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>>>> I've experienced many
>>>>>kinds of weights, I've lifted enough to collect three age-group
>>>>>deadlift
>>>>>world records in AAU powerlifting, and I've formed a judgement, not
>>>>>a
>>>>>pre-judgement, based on my experiences.
>>>>
>>>> In all fairness, those records are relatively meaningless. You'd
>>>> have
>>>> to pull well over 500 to set them in the USAPL. The best guys in
>>>> your
>>>> age and weight class in the USAPL will open with a weight higher
>>>> than
>>>> your "world record".
>>>
>>>John, "in all fairness," I trained, I showed up, and I lifted. My
>>>opener of 150 kg broke the previous record, and so did my other two
>>>lifts, so the record is now 165 kg. They're the world records on the
>>>books until someone else in my division (raw, 148 lbs., 50-54 years
>>>old)
>>>lifts more.
>>
>> All the self respecting drug free folks lift USAPL/IPF. -snip-
>
>Bullshit. "My way or the highway", John? There are plenty of lifting
>federations, including several raw-only. What would you think if I
>said, "All self respecting drug free folks lift without supportive
>gear?" It's a point of view I do not subscribe to. I respect what you
>do; if you don't respect what I do, that's on you.
>
Put it this way. The women's IPF world record for 50-59 at 148 is 402
pounds which is also the 132 world record. For men in that age group
and weight class (148), it's 595 pounds. A modern deadlift suit will
probably only add at most, 10 kilos.
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 3:20 am
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"Charles" <jrh RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 14 Apr 2006 23:25:50 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
> <2larry2 RemoveThis @2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
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>>"JMW" <jmwilliams RemoveThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Steve" <sdaniel13 RemoveThis @speakeasy.net> wrote:
>>>>I'm as uneducated as they come where weights and gym equipment are
>>>>concerned. I want to buy a weight bench or SOME sort of weight training
>>>>equipment that will take up very little space in my cramped apartment
>>>>and still afford me a reasonable workout. I considered getting a used
>>>>soloflex machine, but they're too big. I need something small. I just
>>>>don't know whether anything out there takes up so little space while
>>>>still affording a real workout. Maybe this just isn't realistic.
>>>>
>>>>Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> There is a solution, though not the optimal one.
>>>
>>> Adjustable dumbbell handles
>>> Plenty of iron plates
>>> A 65cm anti-burst exercise ball
>>> A heavy rubber mat, about 3' X 5'
>>>
>>> the first three can be purchased somewhat cheaply at one of the major
>>> sporting goods franchises. The final item is best found at a farm
>>> supply store; the good ones are used in horse stables.
>>>
>>> You can perform a lot of lifts with this setup: dumbbell bench press
>>> on the exercise ball, squats holding dumbbells in both hands with the
>>> exercise ball between your back and the wall (weighted Swiss ball
>>> squats), straight-legged deadlifts with dumbbells in boths hands, plus
>>> the usual dumbbell exercises. For seated exercises, use the exercise
>>> ball. The exercise ball is also good for crunches and reverse hypers.
>>>
>>> You could get a decent workout with just that equipment. However,
>>> there's one preliminary question: Will you actually use it? The
>>> setup will be compact, but will it just sit in corner, unused?
>>>
>>> Only you can answer that question.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> JMW
>>> http://www.rustyiron.net
>>
>>I've gone through periods where I worked out on my own. Many of my MA
>>days
>>were on my own doing kicking drills, bag work...anything. Running and
>>biking, same. But I've found that I like the social setting of a gym, and
>>enjoy the company of others of like health-minded goals. That alone is
>>worth the $40 per month.
>>
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> My own gym is like a club and there is a great friendly atmosphere
> among staff and clients. It is a really good environment in which to
> train and we all thoroughly enjoy it; I have made many good friends
> there.
Same. My gym is very family oriented. I like that.
> Have a great weekend Larry; I'm back to target weight and back to
> enjoying myself following my annual bant, so I am in the middle of a
> good one - it being the extended Easter Bank Holiday long weekend! ;o)
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