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(Msg. 16) Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:04 am
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"JMW" <jmwilliams.TakeThisOut@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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>>PubMed don't seem to have any of these journals.
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> You mean "abstracts"? If so, then you're wrong.
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>>I got the Med Sci Sports
>>Ex from the ms-se.com website.
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> All you got was the abstract. Obtaining and reading the articles
> requires work.
In your case, futile work.
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>>Still waiting for *explanations*, jmw.
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> Learning muscle physiology also requires work. I don't intend to
> teach you.
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 2:55 pm
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<entropic3.14decay.RemoveThis@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
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>And just what part of "supplement company funding supplement research" don't
>you understand?
It makes it suspect, but it's far from conclusive ... unless, of
course, one is pathologically paranoid. Given what we have seen of
your persona, I can see how you might be rather dogmatic in that
regard.
>What part of whey/gluc/creatine being largely irrelevant to whey/gluc timing
>don't you understand?
>I can't believe you cited that article *again*!!
When it's consistent with the findings of all the previous articles I
cited, *nonwe* of which involved creatine? Until you have read those
and are conversant in their findings, I'm not the one who is speaking
from ignorance. Neither is it my fault that I have been researching
this subject for a long time, whereas you have just started; the
recency of your interest does not place a burden on me to educate you.
But just so you understand, the *sole* issue which caused me to post
that article was the issue of timing. The other issues were discussed
in detail years ago, most prominently in a long thread between myself
and Lyle McDonald, where my arguments were supplemented with copious
cites and quotations from the actual studies. The fact that you may
have been busy trying to sell people HollowBars at that time is not my
problem.
>Another bullshitter stalking off with his toys....
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 5:05 pm
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In article <1165037119.537329.217890.DeleteThis@j44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "JMW"
<jmwilliams_56.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
Take your own advice: killfile. I took your advice on that subject BTW.
Your turn dude.
>
> Cribb PJ, Hayes A. Effects of supplement timing and resistance exercise
> on skeletal muscle hypertrophy. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2006
> Nov;38(11):1918-25.
>
> Cribb PJ, Williams AD, Carey MF, Hayes A. The effect of whey isolate
> and resistance training on strength, body composition, and plasma
> glutamine. Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2006 Oct;16:494-508
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> Tipton KD, Elliott TA, Cree MG, Aarsland AA, Sanford AP, Wolfe RR.
> Stimulation of net muscle protein synthesis by whey protein ingestion
> before and after exercise. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2006 Aug 8;
> [Epub ahead of print]
>
> Tipton KD, Elliott TA, Cree MG, Wolf SE, Sanford AP, Wolfe RR.
> Ingestion of casein and whey proteins result in muscle anabolism after
> resistance exercise. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2004 Dec;36(12):2073-81.
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> Tipton KD, Wolfe RR. J Sports Sci. 2004 Jan;22(1):65-79. Review.
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> Miller SL, Tipton KD, Chinkes DL, Wolf SE, Wolfe RR. Independent and
> combined effects of amino acids and glucose after resistance exercise.
> Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2003 Mar;35(3):449-55.
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> Tipton KD, Borsheim E, Wolf SE, Sanford AP, Wolfe RR. Acute response of
> net muscle protein balance reflects 24-h balance after exercise and
> amino acid ingestion. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2003
> Jan;284(1):E76-89.
>
> Tipton KD, Rasmussen BB, Miller SL, Wolf SE, Owens-Stovall SK, Petrini
> BE, Wolfe RR. Timing of amino acid-carbohydrate ingestion alters
> anabolic response of muscle to resistance exercise. Am J Physiol
> Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Aug;281(2):E197-206.
>
> > Of course, you could offer up yer whey/gluc/*creatine* st-st-st-study, but
> > if the OP has one milligram more brainmatter than you do, he'll ask the v=
> ery
> > obvious Q:
> > WTF does whey/gluc/**creatine** have to do w/ whey??????????????
>
> If you had the mental capacity to understand all the other studies
> cited above, you might experience a revelation. Lacking that, I guess
> you'll just have to flounder in your own ignorance.
>
> At least you have a lot of practice in that regard.
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> > *Not saying this timing issue isn't true*, just that it doesn't make oodl=
> es
> > of a priori sense
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> It makes perfect /a priori/ sense if you understand the physiology of
> muscle protein synthesis. It simply conflicts with your chatty
> phonetic blatherings. Go play with your HollowBar. >> Stay informed about: Newbie fitness/protein shake question |
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:00 pm
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>Take your own advice: killfile. I took your advice on that subject BTW.
>Your turn dude.
He's back in the bin. I just let him play blustering bigmouth for a
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:23 pm
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Oh, the brink/jmw duo, again. What do I hear?
<MMmmmmmmmmmmmmm> <MMMMMMMMMmmmmmmmmmmmmm> <gulp> <aaaaaahhhh>
Run along now, the both of you.
Come back, brink, when you figger out the very interesting--but very
simple--kinetics of your fav. "no adverse reactions" creatine --->
creatinine.
Come back, jmw, when you figger out fukndigestion. Oh, and how to use
conversely.
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I know, I know, you don't wanna play any more.
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>> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>Take your own advice: killfile. I took your advice on that subject BTW.
>>Your turn dude.
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> He's back in the bin. I just let him play blustering bigmouth for a
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On Sat, 02 Dec 2006 18:00:56 -0500, JMW
<jmwilliams.RemoveThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>willbrink@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:
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>> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>Take your own advice: killfile. I took your advice on that subject BTW.
>>Your turn dude.
>
>He's back in the bin. I just let him play blustering bigmouth for a
>bit.
As usual, they (Little Willy and Old Johnny) hurl out a lot of
pseudo/scientific/medical bullshit, get called on it, bully and
bluster, can't cope - and then jointly run for the hills!!
But in fact that's the last thing they do because they watch all input
like hawks for fear of missing something. And as I said earlier, the
classic *alleged* Bozo Binner ("killfiler") always has to announce
publicly who and when they are allegedly "killfiling"!!
If they really just wanted to be rid of someone who gives them the
shits, they could just quietly add a filter and end of story. But,
they never, ever do - do they?!! ;o)
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In article <j514n2dua53fc0qpmlk7c34hn8ejhdjbf9.RemoveThis@4ax.com>, JMW
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> willbrink.RemoveThis@comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:
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> > "JMW" <jmwilliams_56.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> >Take your own advice: killfile. I took your advice on that subject BTW.
> >Your turn dude.
>
> He's back in the bin. I just let him play blustering bigmouth for a
> bit.
He' not able to to anything else. Soon as I see that's all they can do,
it's the bozo bin for them. Problem is, I still see his/their posts 'cause
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On Sun, 03 Dec 2006 10:08:51 -0500, willbrink RemoveThis @comcast.net (Will Brink)
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>> willbrink RemoveThis @comcast.net (Will Brink) wrote:
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>> > "JMW" <jmwilliams_56 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
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>> >Take your own advice: killfile. I took your advice on that subject BTW.
>> >Your turn dude.
>>
>> He's back in the bin. I just let him play blustering bigmouth for a
>> bit.
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>He' not able to to anything else. Soon as I see that's all they can do,
>it's the bozo bin for them. Problem is, I still see his/their posts 'cause
>you respond to them, and that throws the balance of the universe off.
Don't the confused would-be barrack room lawyers of the MFW Fusiliers
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"Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay DeleteThis @optonline2.718.net> schreef
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> "JMW" <jmwilliams DeleteThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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>> <entropic3.14decay DeleteThis @optonline2.718.net> wrote:
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>>>PubMed don't seem to have any of these journals.
>>
>> You mean "abstracts"? If so, then you're wrong.
>>
>>>I got the Med Sci Sports
>>>Ex from the ms-se.com website.
>>
>> All you got was the abstract. Obtaining and reading the articles
>> requires work.
>
> In your case, futile work.
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>>
>>>Still waiting for *explanations*, jmw.
>>
>> Learning muscle physiology also requires work. I don't intend to
>> teach you.
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> <WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA>
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"The Other Mike" <Noone.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> Sorry if this is the wrong forum to post this. I'm a 37 year old
> male, 5' 10" and about 200lbs...I'm a life long couch potato with
> pretty much no muscle. Been using free weights and the treadmill for
> the past 2 weeks...alternating days with one day a week totally off.
> I've changed my diet as well...no more soda (all water), wheat bread
> instead of white, less fatty foods...etc. but I admittedly don't count
> calories and am probably not getting enough protein in a day. I've
> lost about 9 lbs in the past 2 weeks so I'm happy so far. My goal is
> two fold...I'd like to gain some muscle mass (not alot...I guess a
> "normal" amount) and lose the gut. So, my question is if protein
> shakes are a good idea. I've read about the increase in protein
> helping muscle growth but am concerned it'll stunt my efforts to get
> rid of my gut. In my situation, any advice? If the shakes are a good
> idea, how often? Thanks in advance.
If you don't get enough protein in your diet, then a supplement can help.
For the average person in the USA, the RDA is .8 grams of protein per kg of
body weight per day. This can change depending on the type of exercise you
do. After a workout or an hour or 2 before bed is when I usually take it. I
also use it in between meals at time so I don't too much high calorie stuff.
Whey protein seems to be popular because it contains a lot of the amino
acids required by the body. There are generally 3 types of whey protein
sold. Concentrate (about 80% protein) , Isolate (about 90% protein) and
Hydrolysed (claimed '100%'). I haven't tried hydrolysed but it is said to be
very bitter in taste (anyone used it?). It apparently has the advantage of
being absorbed into the body a lot quicker - I don't know to what extent.
Watch out for protein supplements that have fats and carbs added.
HTH
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"Stephan Carydakis" <steph777 DeleteThis @netspace.net.au> wrote:
>"The Other Mike" <Noone DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>> Sorry if this is the wrong forum to post this. I'm a 37 year old
>> male, 5' 10" and about 200lbs...I'm a life long couch potato with
>> pretty much no muscle. Been using free weights and the treadmill for
>> the past 2 weeks...alternating days with one day a week totally off.
>> I've changed my diet as well...no more soda (all water), wheat bread
>> instead of white, less fatty foods...etc. but I admittedly don't count
>> calories and am probably not getting enough protein in a day. I've
>> lost about 9 lbs in the past 2 weeks so I'm happy so far. My goal is
>> two fold...I'd like to gain some muscle mass (not alot...I guess a
>> "normal" amount) and lose the gut. So, my question is if protein
>> shakes are a good idea. I've read about the increase in protein
>> helping muscle growth but am concerned it'll stunt my efforts to get
>> rid of my gut. In my situation, any advice? If the shakes are a good
>> idea, how often? Thanks in advance.
>
>If you don't get enough protein in your diet, then a supplement can help.
>For the average person in the USA, the RDA is .8 grams of protein per kg of
>body weight per day. This can change depending on the type of exercise you
>do. After a workout or an hour or 2 before bed is when I usually take it. I
>also use it in between meals at time so I don't too much high calorie stuff.
>
>Whey protein seems to be popular because it contains a lot of the amino
>acids required by the body. There are generally 3 types of whey protein
>sold. Concentrate (about 80% protein) , Isolate (about 90% protein) and
>Hydrolysed (claimed '100%'). I haven't tried hydrolysed but it is said to be
>very bitter in taste (anyone used it?). It apparently has the advantage of
>being absorbed into the body a lot quicker - I don't know to what extent.
>Watch out for protein supplements that have fats and carbs added.
The absorption is fast enough that the type isn't really very
important.
If you consume it around the time of your training, which is when it's
most effective, it should include simple sugars for insulin release,
but I agree that you should add your own, rather than relying on what
the manufacturer decides to throw in.
Consuming whey at the time of training *without* the addition of
sugars will also be effective at eliciting muscle protein synthesis
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