Morbidly Obese Dancers

On Jun 18, 10:52 am, "ATP*" <waxwingsl....DeleteThis@azurepane.com> wrote:
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> > ATP* wrote:
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> >> It's time for dance school recitals once again. Far be it from me to
> >> discourage 250 pound hoofers from pursuing their dreams of becoming
> >> professional ballerinas. I wouldn't want to deny the dance schools
> >> all of that tuition money and the revenues from reselling those
> >> horrendous costumes at a 400% markup, or the tickets at $20 a pop. I
> >> think a few guidelines might be in order, however.
>
> >> Leaping like a sprite doesn't work if your BMI is over 40. We are
> >> impressed that you can get your feet off the floor even momentarily,
> >> but the illusion of weightlessness isn't quite there.
>
> >> Avoid any horizontal positions on the floor. The stage is a lot like
> >> the beach.
>
> >> You may be quite graceful. So is the Queen Mary.
>
> >> Seek out appropriate parts. If the dance routine is about Native
> >> Americans, put a pelt on your back and play the buffalo.
>
> > Your post is nothing short of a hate crime.
>
> > The best ballerinas are fat. The problem is the fat bashing dance
> > companies refuse to hire anything but anorexic dancers. Studies prove
> > that fat ballerinas live longer than the anorexic ones, plus they
> > suffer far fewer injuries during their careers despite being healthy
> > enough to dance many more years.
>
> They would need champion olympic weightlifters as partners! That might
> happen in Russia, where ballet is reportedly considered a manly activity,
> but I don't see it happening here. I think Pavel likes ballet, but I don't
> think he can handle that kind of heft.- Hide quoted text -
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Just out of interest could we have a list of fat ballerinas who are
going to live longer etc. There was no mention of people wanting to
watch them - I suppose someone might.
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"Real BBW" <real_bbw.DeleteThis@nopublicemailaddy.net> wrote in message
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> ATP* wrote:
>
>> It's time for dance school recitals once again. Far be it from me to
>> discourage 250 pound hoofers from pursuing their dreams of becoming
>> professional ballerinas. I wouldn't want to deny the dance schools
>> all of that tuition money and the revenues from reselling those
>> horrendous costumes at a 400% markup, or the tickets at $20 a pop. I
>> think a few guidelines might be in order, however.
>>
>> Leaping like a sprite doesn't work if your BMI is over 40. We are
>> impressed that you can get your feet off the floor even momentarily,
>> but the illusion of weightlessness isn't quite there.
>>
>> Avoid any horizontal positions on the floor. The stage is a lot like
>> the beach.
>>
>> You may be quite graceful. So is the Queen Mary.
>>
>> Seek out appropriate parts. If the dance routine is about Native
>> Americans, put a pelt on your back and play the buffalo.
>
> Your post is nothing short of a hate crime.
>
> The best ballerinas are fat. The problem is the fat bashing dance
> companies refuse to hire anything but anorexic dancers. Studies prove
> that fat ballerinas live longer than the anorexic ones, plus they
> suffer far fewer injuries during their careers despite being healthy
> enough to dance many more years.
>
They would need champion olympic weightlifters as partners! That might
happen in Russia, where ballet is reportedly considered a manly activity,
but I don't see it happening here. I think Pavel likes ballet, but I don't
think he can handle that kind of heft.
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"Real BBW" <real_bbw.DeleteThis@nopublicemailaddy.net> wrote in message
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> ATP* wrote:
>
> > It's time for dance school recitals once again. Far be it from me
to
> > discourage 250 pound hoofers from pursuing their dreams of
becoming
> > professional ballerinas. I wouldn't want to deny the dance schools
> > all of that tuition money and the revenues from reselling those
> > horrendous costumes at a 400% markup, or the tickets at $20 a pop.
I
> > think a few guidelines might be in order, however.
> >
> > Leaping like a sprite doesn't work if your BMI is over 40. We are
> > impressed that you can get your feet off the floor even
momentarily,
> > but the illusion of weightlessness isn't quite there.
> >
> > Avoid any horizontal positions on the floor. The stage is a lot
like
> > the beach.
> >
> > You may be quite graceful. So is the Queen Mary.
> >
> > Seek out appropriate parts. If the dance routine is about Native
> > Americans, put a pelt on your back and play the buffalo.
>
> Your post is nothing short of a hate crime.

I don't know about crime, but I'd agree with you on
the hate part. Just how insecure can someone be?

> The best ballerinas are fat. The problem is the fat bashing dance
> companies refuse to hire anything but anorexic dancers.

Ballerinas were always on the slender side, but not nearly
as thin as they are today. I've heard that the craze started with
George Balanchine, who was interested in "line". He created
ballets meant to be danced by very thin women.
There are some fascinating accounts of this in the book,
"Dancing on My Grave", by the great ballerina, Gelsey Kirk-
land.

Studies prove
> that fat ballerinas live longer than the anorexic ones,

Most fat people live longer than anorexics, even if
they themselves are anorexic.

plus they
> suffer far fewer injuries during their careers despite being healthy
> enough to dance many more years.

I haven't read anything that would support or
refute that statement, but I'll mention that the best
belly dancers were quite fat, with very strong muscles.
Belly dancers that you see in western society are
thinner, maybe because many men have effete tastes,
or because seeing a well-toned, fit fat woman would
dent their beloved prejudices.

Robin
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"ATP*" <waxwingslain.DeleteThis@azurepane.com> wrote in message
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> It's time for dance school recitals once again. Far be it from me to
> discourage 250 pound hoofers from pursuing their dreams of becoming
> professional ballerinas. I wouldn't want to deny the dance schools all
> of that tuition money and the revenues from reselling those horrendous
> costumes at a 400% markup, or the tickets at $20 a pop. I think a few
> guidelines might be in order, however.
>
> Leaping like a sprite doesn't work if your BMI is over 40. We are
> impressed that you can get your feet off the floor even momentarily,
> but the illusion of weightlessness isn't quite there.
>
> Avoid any horizontal positions on the floor. The stage is a lot like
> the beach.
>
> You may be quite graceful. So is the Queen Mary.
>
> Seek out appropriate parts. If the dance routine is about Native
> Americans, put a pelt on your back and play the buffalo.

My, my - what brought this on?

-S-
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"Real BBW" <real_bbw RemoveThis @nopublicemailaddy.net> schreef:

> The best ballerinas are fat. The problem is the fat bashing dance
> companies refuse to hire anything but anorexic dancers. Studies prove
> that fat ballerinas live longer than the anorexic ones, plus they
> suffer far fewer injuries during their careers despite being healthy
> enough to dance many more years.

I never saw 300 pounds of adipose move around like a butterfly ontage.

I do believe they have fewer injuries though.

I guess its like a giant built in airbag when they fall down.

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"ATP*" <waxwingslain RemoveThis @azurepane.com> schreef:

> Seek out appropriate parts. If the dance routine is about Native
> Americans, put a pelt on your back and play the buffalo.

Ehhh... Dances With Buffalos?

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Pete
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"Robin King" <mapletree.TakeThisOut@worldnet.att.net> writes:

> "Real BBW" <real_bbw.TakeThisOut@nopublicemailaddy.net> wrote in message
> news:gu-dnVaJLITQS-jbnZ2dnUVZ_oCmnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> ATP* wrote:
>>
>> > It's time for dance school recitals once again. Far be it from me
>> > to discourage 250 pound hoofers from pursuing their dreams of
>> > becoming professional ballerinas. I wouldn't want to deny the
>> > dance schools all of that tuition money and the revenues from
>> > reselling those horrendous costumes at a 400% markup, or the
>> > tickets at $20 a pop. I think a few guidelines might be in order,
>> > however.
>> >
>> > Leaping like a sprite doesn't work if your BMI is over 40. We are
>> > impressed that you can get your feet off the floor even
>> > momentarily, but the illusion of weightlessness isn't quite
>> > there.
>> >
>> > Avoid any horizontal positions on the floor. The stage is a lot
>> > like the beach.
>> >
>> > You may be quite graceful. So is the Queen Mary.
>> >
>> > Seek out appropriate parts. If the dance routine is about Native
>> > Americans, put a pelt on your back and play the buffalo.
>>
>> Your post is nothing short of a hate crime.
>
> I don't know about crime, but I'd agree with you on the hate part.
> Just how insecure can someone be?

Well said. It is not a crime to have (and express) idiotic or
unpopular opinions.

>> The best ballerinas are fat. The problem is the fat bashing dance
>> companies refuse to hire anything but anorexic dancers.
>
> Ballerinas were always on the slender side, but not nearly as thin
> as they are today. I've heard that the craze started with George
> Balanchine, who was interested in "line". He created ballets meant
> to be danced by very thin women. There are some fascinating
> accounts of this in the book, "Dancing on My Grave", by the great
> ballerina, Gelsey Kirk- land.
>
>> Studies prove that fat ballerinas live longer than the anorexic
>> ones,
>
> Most fat people live longer than anorexics, even if they themselves
> are anorexic.
>
>> plus they suffer far fewer injuries during their careers despite
>> being healthy enough to dance many more years.

I did some digging on Pubmed, I would be very interested to see this
"study." Personally, I am skeptical that a truly rigorous study was
done. I would also be interested to see what actually constitutes a
"fat" ballerina in the study.

> I haven't read anything that would support or refute that statement,
> but I'll mention that the best belly dancers were quite fat, with
> very strong muscles.

Which brings me to the reason that I decided to respond to this post.
When you say "quite fat" what exactly do you mean? The reason that I
ask is that I qualify "obese" on the BMI table as "fat.". In fact, if
a person carries a significant amount of muscle then they could weigh
considerably more and without me considering them to be obese. For a
women of 5'6" that's basically 184 lbs or more. "Quite fat" would be
heavier than that, especially if the person was at all athletic.

That's pretty good sized.

So are we on the same page, or when you say "quite fat" do you really
mean 300+ lbs. Because that's a completely different weight class .

> Belly dancers that you see in western society are thinner, maybe
> because many men have effete tastes, or because seeing a well-toned,
> fit fat woman would dent their beloved prejudices.

"Well-toned fit fat woman" doesn't make much sense as a definition. I
think that you are implying that body fat percentage is a far more
important measurement than scale weight, but it is hard to tell. If
you can see the muscle tone on a woman then basically by definition
she isn't fat. I certainly agree that muscles can look very good on a
woman, provided they aren't the ridiculous muscles that women get from
steroid abuse.

Jason
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<army-bigfoot> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:38:39 -0400, "ATP*"
> <waxwingslain DeleteThis @azurepane.com> wrote:
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> Isn't it just lovely to know that the only reason you are still alive
> is that murder is illegal? That is truly making a mark on your
> community.
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> LV
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> "I rode a tank and held a general's rank
> When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."
>
> ---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
> --------------------------------------------
> "A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
> change the subject."
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> ---Winston Churchill
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army-bigfoot> wrote in message > "I rode a tank and the bodies stank."
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Go chew a rug, hog.
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On Jun 18, 6:20 am, "Hunter" <hun....RemoveThis@no-one.org> wrote:

> > Real BBW and Robin King are constantly making references to
nonexistent
> > studies. They both crawl under a rock when asked for cites.

Any studies I've cited have not changed anyone's mind; I just
hear more anti-fat whining.
Nevertheless, here's a quote from
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_u...=233607

"We conclude that genetic influences on body-mass index are
substantial, whereas the childhood environment has little or no
influence. These findings corroborate and extend the results of
earlier studies of twins and adoptees."

> > The cencept of fat acceptance is based on twisted facts and lies.

Who needs to twist facts when there are plenty of
trolls around who are willing to do so? And how in the
world would you know whether the facts are twisted
when you don't even understand the premise? Have
you been gulping down too many sound bites and gotten
your brain all flabby?

Robin
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007, "Robin King" <mapletree.DeleteThis@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> On Jun 18, 6:20 am, "Hunter" <hun....DeleteThis@no-one.org> wrote:
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>> > Real BBW and Robin King are constantly making references to
>nonexistent
>> > studies. They both crawl under a rock when asked for cites.
>
> Any studies I've cited have not changed anyone's mind; I just
>hear more anti-fat whining.
> Nevertheless, here's a quote from
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_uids=
>2336075&dopt=medline
>
>"We conclude that genetic influences on body-mass index are
>substantial, whereas the childhood environment has little or no
>influence. These findings corroborate and extend the results of
>earlier studies of twins and adoptees."

Here's a more recent, in depth study with many more participants.

Obesity (Silver Spring). 2006 Apr;14(4):701-9.
Body mass index gain, fast food, and physical activity: effects of shared
environments over time.Nelson MC, Gordon-Larsen P, North KE, Adair LS.
Division of Epidemiology and Community Health, University of Minnesota,
Minneapolis, USA.

OBJECTIVE: The magnitude of environmental vs. genetic effects on BMI, diet,
and physical activity (PA) is widely debated. We followed a sibling cohort
(where individuals shared households in childhood and adolescence) to young
adulthood (when some continued sharing households and others lived apart)
to examine the role of discordant environments in adult twins' divergent
trends in BMI and health behaviors and to quantify the variation in BMI and
behavior among all siblings that is attributable to environmental and
additive genetic effects.

RESEARCH METHODS AND PROCEDURES: In the National Longitudinal Study of
Adolescent Health, siblings sharing households for > or =10 years as
adolescents (mean age = 16.5 +/- 1.7 years; N = 5524) were followed into
adulthood (mean = 22.4 +/- 1.8 years; N = 4368), self-reporting PA,
sedentary behavior, and dietary characteristics. Adult BMI and adolescent z
scores were derived from measured height and weight.

RESULTS: Compared with those living together, twins living apart exhibited
greater discordance in change in BMI, PA, and fast food intake from
adolescence to adulthood. Adolescent household environments accounted for
8% to 10% of variation in adolescent fast food intake and sedentary
behaviors and 50% of variation in adolescent overweight. Adolescent
household effects on PA were substantially greater in young adulthood
(accounting for 50% of variation) vs. adolescence. Young adult fast food
intake was significantly affected by young adult household environment,
accounting for 12% of variation. DISCUSSION: These findings highlight
important environmental influences on BMI, PA, and fast food intake during
the transition to adulthood. Household and physical environments play an
important role in establishing long-term behavior patterns.
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Lady Veteran wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 20:38:39 -0400, "ATP*"
> <waxwingslain.RemoveThis@azurepane.com> wrote:
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> Isn't it just lovely to know that the only reason you are still alive
> is that murder is illegal?

Looking for your next meal?

> That is truly making a mark on your
> community.

Better than the potholes you leave in the sidewalk...
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