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On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 04:40:06 +1000, "DRS" <drs.RemoveThis@removethis.ihug.com.au>
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>Proton Soup <proton.RemoveThis@soup.org> wrote in message
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>> Masturbate daily to lube the prostate and prevent cancer.
>
>Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
>priest's disease? It's true.

No, I didn't know that, but it makes for a cool piece of trivia.

Did you also know that priestly celibacy is non-Biblical, and based
purely on ancient Roman Catholic politics?

Proton Soup
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DRS wrote:

> Proton Soup <proton DeleteThis @soup.org> wrote in message
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> [...]
>
> > Masturbate daily to lube the prostate and prevent cancer.
>
> Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
> priest's disease? It's true.
>

Speaking as a physician, it is not true.

Risk of prostate cancer is higher in folks with higher testosterone
levels. Testosterone levels tend to be higher in folks that masturbate
(or are otherwise sexually active) than folks who aren't. Sorry.

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On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:48:31 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
<cardiologist.TakeThisOut@heartmdphd.com> wrote:

>DRS wrote:
>
>> Proton Soup <proton.TakeThisOut@soup.org> wrote in message
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>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > Masturbate daily to lube the prostate and prevent cancer.
>>
>> Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
>> priest's disease? It's true.
>>
>
>Speaking as a physician, it is not true.
>
>Risk of prostate cancer is higher in folks with higher testosterone
>levels. Testosterone levels tend to be higher in folks that masturbate
>(or are otherwise sexually active) than folks who aren't. Sorry.

This is what we're talking about. I'm sure more studies will follow.

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993942

Proton Soup
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"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <cardiologist RemoveThis @heartmdphd.com> wrote:

>DRS wrote:
>
>> Proton Soup <proton RemoveThis @soup.org> wrote in message
>> 9rv5ov09lr2b0qm1au032jchabocsq45ri RemoveThis @4ax.com
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > Masturbate daily to lube the prostate and prevent cancer.
>>
>> Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
>> priest's disease? It's true.
>
>Speaking as a physician, it is not true.
>
>Risk of prostate cancer is higher in folks with higher testosterone
>levels. Testosterone levels tend to be higher in folks that masturbate
>(or are otherwise sexually active) than folks who aren't. Sorry.

Physicians should read the literature rather than speculating:

Giles GG, Severi G, English DR, McCredie MR, Borland R, Boyle P,
Hopper JL. Sexual factors and prostate cancer. BJU Int. 2003
Aug;92(3):211-6.
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"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <cardiologist DeleteThis @heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
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> DRS wrote:
>
> > Proton Soup <proton DeleteThis @soup.org> wrote in message
> > 9rv5ov09lr2b0qm1au032jchabocsq45ri DeleteThis @4ax.com
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > > Masturbate daily to lube the prostate and prevent cancer.
> >
> > Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
> > priest's disease? It's true.
> >
>
> Speaking as a physician, it is not true.
>
> Risk of prostate cancer is higher in folks with higher testosterone
> levels. Testosterone levels tend to be higher in folks that masturbate
> (or are otherwise sexually active) than folks who aren't. Sorry.
>

However, prostate cancers are more aggressive in patients who
have had lower testosterone levels. Or so goes the
clinical rumor.
PMID 11966629
PMID 12386917

If the testosterone levels
are elevated in respect to estrogen levels (please recall men
make some estrogen also......a comment for the lurkers),
the older male will be less apt to suffer from an enlarged
prostate. Don't read the Merck Proscar adverts as the
gospel.......anyway saw palmetto is the better choice.

Indeed, the high testosterone
association likely an instance of false correlation. If memory
serves me, blacks tend to have slightly higher levels of
testosterone but it is the dark skin and reduced vitamin
D status that yields the more aggressive prostate cancers.

And I suspect one poster is anti-masturbation and the
other is pro-masturbation. Both views represent biases and
(I suspect) each has its own supporting urban myth.

A cardiologist is not an endocrinologist ......
...tongue firmly in cheek.....William A. Noyes
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Ignoramus20526 <ignoramus20526.RemoveThis@NOSPAM.20526.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <blv1a8$got$1@lust.ihug.co.nz>, DRS wrote:
>> Proton Soup <proton.RemoveThis@soup.org> wrote in message
>>> Masturbate daily to lube the prostate and prevent cancer.
>>
>> Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
>> priest's disease? It's true.
>
> I thought AIDS was priests' disease these days...

Er, no.

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Proton Soup wrote:

> On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:48:31 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <cardiologist.RemoveThis@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
> >DRS wrote:
> >
> >> Proton Soup <proton.RemoveThis@soup.org> wrote in message
> >> 9rv5ov09lr2b0qm1au032jchabocsq45ri.RemoveThis@4ax.com
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> > Masturbate daily to lube the prostate and prevent cancer.
> >>
> >> Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
> >> priest's disease? It's true.
> >>
> >
> >Speaking as a physician, it is not true.
> >
> >Risk of prostate cancer is higher in folks with higher testosterone
> >levels. Testosterone levels tend to be higher in folks that masturbate
> >(or are otherwise sexually active) than folks who aren't. Sorry.
>
> This is what we're talking about. I'm sure more studies will follow.
>
> http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993942
>

Retrospective questionnaire type studies brought us the information that
Vitamin E and C may prevent heart attacks. We now know better.

If cigarette smoke carcinogens are concentrated in prostatic fluids (as an
explanation for the cancer), the solution is to stop smoking instead of
masterbating.

>
> Proton Soup

Here's a review about prostate cancer from a more reputable peer-reviewed
source:

http://tinyurl.com/q4kl


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"Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <andrew.RemoveThis@heartmdphd.com> wrote:

>Proton Soup wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:48:31 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
>> <cardiologist.RemoveThis@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>>
>> >DRS wrote:
>> >
>> >> Proton Soup <proton.RemoveThis@soup.org> wrote in message
>> >> 9rv5ov09lr2b0qm1au032jchabocsq45ri.RemoveThis@4ax.com
>> >>
>> >> [...]
>> >>
>> >> > Masturbate daily to lube the prostate and prevent cancer.
>> >>
>> >> Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
>> >> priest's disease? It's true.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Speaking as a physician, it is not true.
>> >
>> >Risk of prostate cancer is higher in folks with higher testosterone
>> >levels. Testosterone levels tend to be higher in folks that masturbate
>> >(or are otherwise sexually active) than folks who aren't. Sorry.
>>
>> This is what we're talking about. I'm sure more studies will follow.
>>
>> http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99993942
>>
>
>Retrospective questionnaire type studies brought us the information that
>Vitamin E and C may prevent heart attacks. We now know better.
>
>If cigarette smoke carcinogens are concentrated in prostatic fluids (as an
>explanation for the cancer), the solution is to stop smoking instead of
>masterbating.
>
>>
>> Proton Soup
>
>Here's a review about prostate cancer from a more reputable peer-reviewed
>source:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/q4kl

Since when is the British Journal of Urology International not a
reputable, peer-reviewed source?

And since when do things like "cigarette smoke carcinogens ... in
prostatic fluids" have as much effect on prostate cancer as DHT levels
and 5-alpha-reductase gene expression?
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In article <bm04bq$gu0s5$1@ID-166706.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Luna wrote:
> :: In article <blvlcf$hblrk$1@ID-166706.news.uni-berlin.de>,
> :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ::
> ::
> :::::
> ::::: Aside from proper nutrition and exercise, I think the number one
> ::::: thing most people can do to both improve their health and their
> ::::: enjoyment of life is this: Get enough sleep!!! This gets
> ::::: overlooked a lot in our busy lives, but it's so important to
> ::::: every aspect of health, both physical and emotional.
> :::
> ::: Yeah, but how much is enough....it varies...
> :::
> :::
> ::
> :: You know . . . . enough. People can generally tell when they're
> :: getting enough sleep, right? Can't they? I can . . . I just
> :: assumed that it was, um, obvious?
>
> I've been able to train myself to use less sleep. Also, I've been through
> periods when I felt drowsy even after having lots of sleep. I think a lot
> of people assume they can, but that doesn't make it so.
>
>

By training yourself to use less sleep, do you mean training yourself to
become accustomed to the effects of not getting enough sleep and learning
how to function through them? If you don't have the side effects then you
obviously _are_ getting enough sleep, it's just less than you thought you
needed. If I don't get enough sleep I get headaches, and a particular type
of ache in my muscles that feels qualitatively different from a workout
ache. I can't quite describe the ache, but I know it when I feel it and I
know what it means, I think the term "bone tired" is apt. I can't imagine
any way of training myself not to get headaches and muscle aches, but
perhaps it could be done. One rule of thumb I read for determining if you
are getting enough sleep is if can you wake up on time without an alarm
clock.

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Proton Soup <proton.DeleteThis@soup.org> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 04:40:06 +1000, "DRS" <drs.DeleteThis@removethis.ihug.com.au>
> wrote:
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>> Proton Soup <proton.DeleteThis@soup.org> wrote in message
>> 9rv5ov09lr2b0qm1au032jchabocsq45ri.DeleteThis@4ax.com
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> Masturbate daily to lube the prostate and prevent cancer.
>>
>> Did you know that in medical circles prostate cancer is known as the
>> priest's disease? It's true.
>
> No, I didn't know that, but it makes for a cool piece of trivia.

It is. I just thought I'd chuck it in in case anyone hadn't caught up with
the fact that regular masturbation really truly does reduce the risk of
prostate cancer.

> Did you also know that priestly celibacy is non-Biblical, and based
> purely on ancient Roman Catholic politics?

I did indeed, but it's not as entertaining at dinner parties as my bit of
trivia. So there.

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roger wrote:

> On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 20:48:31 -0400, "Dr. Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD"
> <cardiologist.DeleteThis@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>
>
> >Speaking as a physician, it is not true.
> >
> >Risk of prostate cancer is higher in folks with higher testosterone
> >levels. Testosterone levels tend to be higher in folks that masturbate
> >(or are otherwise sexually active) than folks who aren't. Sorry.
>
> And now for a dissenting opinion:
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3072021.stm
>
> Roger

See my response to an earlier post in the same thread.

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