Losing weight, except for arms?

"Bully" <bully1.RemoveThis@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

>> I dont think its semantics.

>> Speed skaters emphasize lower body and ignore upper body for 2
>> reasons.
>> 1) They dont use the muscles in the upper body to go faster.

> If they're anything like sprinters, which I assume they are but on ice,
> then arms contribute ~20%, or maybe more, of the power! That's why they
> work on arms & arm mechanics, cos it's quite important!!!

Running is different than skating. The arms dont help.
In fact, the best skaters keep their arms completely motionless.

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Pete
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Pete wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1.RemoveThis@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
>>> I dont think its semantics.
>
>>> Speed skaters emphasize lower body and ignore upper body for 2
>>> reasons.
>>> 1) They dont use the muscles in the upper body to go faster.
>
>> If they're anything like sprinters, which I assume they are but on
>> ice, then arms contribute ~20%, or maybe more, of the power! That's
>> why they work on arms & arm mechanics, cos it's quite important!!!
>
> Running is different than skating. The arms dont help.
> In fact, the best skaters keep their arms completely motionless.
>
> ----
> Pete

http://www.olympic.org/uk/sports/flash/open_uk.asp?flash_id=ss

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Pete wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
>>> I dont think its semantics.
>
>>> Speed skaters emphasize lower body and ignore upper body for 2
>>> reasons.
>>> 1) They dont use the muscles in the upper body to go faster.
>
>> If they're anything like sprinters, which I assume they are but on
>> ice, then arms contribute ~20%, or maybe more, of the power! That's
>> why they work on arms & arm mechanics, cos it's quite important!!!
>
> Running is different than skating. The arms dont help.
> In fact, the best skaters keep their arms completely motionless.
>
> ----
> Pete

http://www.olympic.org/uk/sports/programme/disciplines_uk.asp?DiscCode=SS
Look at those idiots with their arms all over the place eh?

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matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
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Dnia 2006-11-22 Will Brink napisa³(a):
> In article <ek01pu$340$1@inews.gazeta.pl>, Andrzej Rosa
><bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
[...]
>> >> I'm finally sick of "are you
>> >> still lifting?" questions if I have any clothes on me, so this winter I
>> >> prioritize upper body training. By spring there will be no doubts if
>> >> I'm still lifting or not, even with my clothes on.
>> >
>> > So you hope!
>>
>> No, not just hope. I wasn't seriously training my lats pectorals and
>> arms since last winter. They are seriously undertrained. They grow
>> already.
>
> Well I hope you get what you want from it. It's nice when something you
> put into motion actually works.

I expect it will level off by mid winter and I can't say that I do all
it takes to get more mass, so I don't expect any miracles, but definite
improvement is something I'm simply sure about.

However, I should still eat more. In reality I won't, I'm not so
dedicated. Looking better is on a third place of my priority list, so
it must suffer a bit. I accept it.

>> > So is being an idiot, what's your point?
>>
>> I can't understand what's so idiotic about not training some muscles,
>> if one can do it safely? I seriously do not get it.
>
> That much I can see! It's simply a different opinion. For example, I deal
> with people all the time on this stuff. A women might email me or post on
> my forums something like "Will, I want to lose fat only on my left leg and
> I want to do it by eating only lettuce and water and sitting on my ass and
> I want to look life a fitness model" That may be what she wants, or how
> she plans to approach what she wants, but is it the right approach to
> take? No.

No, because it will not work. I don't judge somebody's goals; I just
try to see if the means he uses will get him closer to them.

> Should I support her approach or try and re direct her approach?
> Give her advice that will get better results, etc, etc. He can do what
> ever he wants, but the way he plans on doing it will be a sub par way of
> going about it, and that, I can't support. Lots of guys start out doing
> just upper body and progress onto lower body. Some never do and look
> silly, not to mention for burning calories, impacting metabolism, etc,
> whole body workouts plus aerobics beats upper body and aerobics every
> time.

I can't say it doesn't. I try to eat more but my belt refuses to
tighten. Long term, for fat loss, whole body workouts simply rule.
This I have to admit.

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"Bully" <bully1 RemoveThis @proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

>> Running is different than skating. The arms dont help.
>> In fact, the best skaters keep their arms completely motionless.

> http://www.olympic.org/uk/sports/programme/disciplines_uk.asp?DiscCode=SS
> Look at those idiots with their arms all over the place eh?

No.

They use the arms during the start and the curves, to maintain balance.

NOT because it will accelerate them. So upper body strength is useless for a
speed skater, and weight gains in the upper body causes problems.

The Russians used AS in the late eighties, and some of them were getting so
heavy they couldnt stay inside the curves.

I have been watching this sport for more than 2 decades.

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Pete
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Pete wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1 RemoveThis @proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
>>> Running is different than skating. The arms dont help.
>>> In fact, the best skaters keep their arms completely motionless.
>
>> http://www.olympic.org/uk/sports/programme/disciplines_uk.asp?DiscCode=SS
>> Look at those idiots with their arms all over the place eh?
>
> No.
>
> They use the arms during the start and the curves, to maintain
> balance.
> NOT because it will accelerate them. So upper body strength is
> useless for a speed skater, and weight gains in the upper body causes
> problems.
> The Russians used AS in the late eighties, and some of them were
> getting so heavy they couldnt stay inside the curves.
>
> I have been watching this sport for more than 2 decades.
>
> ----
> Pete

I think we should ask Lyle!!!

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
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In article <4sje1cFvohedU1.RemoveThis@mid.individual.net>,
"Bully" <bully1.RemoveThis@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

> Pete wrote:
> > "Bully" <bully1.RemoveThis@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
> >
> >>> Running is different than skating. The arms dont help.
> >>> In fact, the best skaters keep their arms completely motionless.
> >
> >> http://www.olympic.org/uk/sports/programme/disciplines_uk.asp?DiscCode=SS
> >> Look at those idiots with their arms all over the place eh?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > They use the arms during the start and the curves, to maintain
> > balance.
> > NOT because it will accelerate them. So upper body strength is
> > useless for a speed skater, and weight gains in the upper body causes
> > problems.
> > The Russians used AS in the late eighties, and some of them were
> > getting so heavy they couldnt stay inside the curves.
> >
> > I have been watching this sport for more than 2 decades.
> >
> > ----
> > Pete
>
> I think we should ask Lyle!!!

They don't do much for the upper body.

Also, with the new clap-skates and virtually all ice being artificial
strength isn't as much an issue as it used to be. Technqiue roolz.

I get out to the oval in Calgary once in a while - even witnessed a
dutch world record there a year or so back when Lyle was skating there.
The chief judge was a former professor of mine and invited Elzi and
myself into the 'infield' to watch what was likely going to be a world
record skate. Dudes are moving darn quick.

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"Will Brink" <willbrink RemoveThis @comcast.net> schreef:

>> I dont think its semantics.

>> Speed skaters emphasize lower body and ignore upper body for 2 reasons.

>> 1) They dont use the muscles in the upper body to go faster.
>> 2) IF they develop the upper body, the centre of gravity gets outta
>> whack,
>> and going trough curves becomes extremely difficult.

>> I suspect Olympic gymnasts do something similair by ignoring legs.

> Which has nothing to do with joe average and his goals. One is performance
> based and specific and comparing them to some guy who wants to lose weight
> "except for arms" is stupid.

Cant argue with that.

> Use Apples for apples examples.

I was pointing out that ignoring certain bodyparts is done in several
sports.
And i am pretty sure that the avarage Joe can do this without getting
injured.

WHY somebody wants to do that is beyond me, but up to the individual. i
guess.

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"Will Brink" <willbrink RemoveThis @comcast.net> schreef:

>> "Will Brink" <willbrink RemoveThis @comcast.net> schreef:

>> >> Do you call them silly and lazy too?

>> > Depends.

>> What criteria do you use to call somebody lazy?

> When they start using juice 19 months into training.

19 months ?!?!?!

I did it after 6 months. Perhaps 7.

But 200mg nandrolone doesnt qualify as "juice."

I was severely overtrained, and nandrolone is perfect for eh... recovery!

Yeah, thats the word. Recovery.

Bitch.

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Pete
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In article <4564825c$0$3257$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl>, "Pete"
<phoutstra.DeleteThis@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

> "Will Brink" <willbrink.DeleteThis@comcast.net> schreef:
>
> >> "Will Brink" <willbrink.DeleteThis@comcast.net> schreef:
>
> >> >> Do you call them silly and lazy too?
>
> >> > Depends.
>
> >> What criteria do you use to call somebody lazy?
>
> > When they start using juice 19 months into training.
>
> 19 months ?!?!?!
>
> I did it after 6 months. Perhaps 7.

I thought you had said 19 months for some reason.

>
> But 200mg nandrolone doesnt qualify as "juice."

Just like 400mg of T per week between cycles is considered "off" by some?

>
> I was severely overtrained, and nandrolone is perfect for eh... recovery!

It's good for a lot of things, but it's still juice.

>
> Yeah, thats the word. Recovery.

Recovery from banging fitness strippers?

>
> Bitch.
>
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In article <4sjf4eF102j72U1.DeleteThis@mid.individual.net>, "Bully"
<bully1.DeleteThis@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

>
> Apparently anabolic steroids can boost sporting performance - but at a
> serious cost to long-term health!!!

It depends. No blanket statements can be made there.
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Pete wrote:
> "Will Brink" <willbrink RemoveThis @comcast.net> schreef:
>
>>> "Will Brink" <willbrink RemoveThis @comcast.net> schreef:
>
>>>>> Do you call them silly and lazy too?
>
>>>> Depends.
>
>>> What criteria do you use to call somebody lazy?
>
>> When they start using juice 19 months into training.
>
> 19 months ?!?!?!
>
> I did it after 6 months. Perhaps 7.
>
> But 200mg nandrolone doesnt qualify as "juice."
>
> I was severely overtrained, and nandrolone is perfect for eh...
> recovery!
> Yeah, thats the word. Recovery.
>
> Bitch.
>
> ----
> Pete

Apparently anabolic steroids can boost sporting performance - but at a
serious cost to long-term health!!!

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Bully
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matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
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"Bully" <bully1.DeleteThis@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

>> The Russians used AS in the late eighties, and some of them were
>> getting so heavy they couldnt stay inside the curves.

>> I have been watching this sport for more than 2 decades.

> I think we should ask Lyle!!!

Good idea.
Wgere can he be found these days? He will be glad to hear from me.

Just visualize this;

A cyclist goes about 60 kilometers/hour. His arms dont move.

But then he starts to move his arms. Will that make him faster?

A 1500 meter is done in about 1:45. During the second lap they reach max
speed on the straight ends.

Do you think moving the arms in a way a sprinter does will make them faster?

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Pete
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