Beginner - Losing weight while gaining muscle

In article <1140685227.866248.235160 RemoveThis @e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
"gibsonguitars" <gibsonpaul RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am 25, 6' and 194lb/88kg. About a month ago I started a workout
> programme with a view to losing about 10-15 lb of fat and gaining
> muscle mass, just to look fit and a bit muscular, not like the Hulk or
> anything. I've also restricted my diet to around 1800 kcals per day.
> Because of work/life constraints, I can only work out 4 days,
> Mon-Thurs, with Fri, Sat and Sun little or no proper exercise. Around
> the weekend, my diet would be less restricted also, though I try to
> remain careful enough about what I eat. I only have 1 hour each day to
> work out, so it usually consists of a combination of cardio work (25
> mins cross-trainer) with some machine
> presses, for arms, chest and shoulders. Try to get in an hours swimming
> in addition [or sometimes instead of] the workout days.
>
> My plan is to take Creatine to promote growth in muscle mass, take
> Maximuscle Thermobol capsules to keep my metabolism fast even though
> I've cut down on calorie intake, take Maximuscle Fattack to minimise
> the negative effects of getting home late and having a meal then [only
> chance I'll get]. I also ordered a pack of Guggul complex capsules
> because they came free, though I'm not really sure what benefit they
> have.
>
> I'm only stating out - so I'm wondering if this sounds reasonable?
> Will it be effective? Should I concentrate more on other aspects of my
> workout.
>
> Any advice?
>
> Cheers.
>

Pretty attainable goal and the workout timetable is okay. I assume
weekends are for gigs with a handle like you have. Is it possible to
workout on Sunday or would you just be too tired?

If you could work out Sunday I would suggest weights with basic
movements on Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday. You could do intervals and
cardio on Monday and Wednesday and possibly get some training in on
Friday.

If you look at exercises like Matt Furey's Royal Court (go to
www.cbass.com and take a look) you realize that fitting exercise in to a
tough timetable isn't all that hard.

Another way of making this work would be a split - lower body on Monday,
upper body on Tuesday, full body on Thursday and Royal Court on two or
three off days.

I'd look at exercises like squats, incline presses and rows as your
basic exercises. On the above schedule you could do squats, shrugs, leg
curls, calf raises and leg raises on Monday. Tuesday would be bench
press, rows, press, pull-up or pull downs and crunches. Thursday would
be deadlifts, incline press, leg press, cable row and leg raises.

Off days do the Royal Court and progress on reps.

--
Keith
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man-hot sixpack). Make sure you cut out red meats and fats and
increase
your intake of wheat and other low-fat carbohydrates.


Bullcrap- eat as much meat as you want dude- 4k the carbs, Tav your
pecker needs to feel vulva not vice like grip,
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> In article <1140685227.866248.235160 RemoveThis @e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
> "gibsonguitars" <gibsonpaul RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am 25, 6' and 194lb/88kg. About a month ago I started a workout
>> programme with a view to losing about 10-15 lb of fat and gaining
>> muscle mass, just to look fit and a bit muscular, not like the Hulk
>> or
>> anything. I've also restricted my diet to around 1800 kcals per day.
>> Because of work/life constraints, I can only work out 4 days,
>> Mon-Thurs, with Fri, Sat and Sun little or no proper exercise.
>> Around
>> the weekend, my diet would be less restricted also, though I try to
>> remain careful enough about what I eat. I only have 1 hour each day
>> to
>> work out, so it usually consists of a combination of cardio work (25
>> mins cross-trainer) with some machine
>> presses, for arms, chest and shoulders. Try to get in an hours
>> swimming
>> in addition [or sometimes instead of] the workout days.
>>
>> My plan is to take Creatine to promote growth in muscle mass, take
>> Maximuscle Thermobol capsules to keep my metabolism fast even though
>> I've cut down on calorie intake, take Maximuscle Fattack to minimise
>> the negative effects of getting home late and having a meal then
>> [only
>> chance I'll get]. I also ordered a pack of Guggul complex capsules
>> because they came free, though I'm not really sure what benefit they
>> have.
>>
>> I'm only stating out - so I'm wondering if this sounds reasonable?
>> Will it be effective? Should I concentrate more on other aspects of
>> my
>> workout.
>>
>> Any advice?
>>
>> Cheers.
>>
>
> Pretty attainable goal and the workout timetable is okay. I assume
> weekends are for gigs with a handle like you have. Is it possible to
> workout on Sunday or would you just be too tired?
>
> If you could work out Sunday I would suggest weights with basic
> movements on Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday. You could do intervals and
> cardio on Monday and Wednesday and possibly get some training in on
> Friday.
>
> If you look at exercises like Matt Furey's Royal Court (go to
> www.cbass.com and take a look) you realize that fitting exercise in to
> a
> tough timetable isn't all that hard.
>
> Another way of making this work would be a split - lower body on
> Monday,
> upper body on Tuesday, full body on Thursday and Royal Court on two or
> three off days.
>
> I'd look at exercises like squats, incline presses and rows as your
> basic exercises. On the above schedule you could do squats, shrugs,
> leg
> curls, calf raises and leg raises on Monday. Tuesday would be bench
> press, rows, press, pull-up or pull downs and crunches. Thursday would
> be deadlifts, incline press, leg press, cable row and leg raises.
>
> Off days do the Royal Court and progress on reps.

Link to this article directly: http://www.cbass.com/Furey.htm

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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> I am 25, 6' and 194lb/88kg.

First off, you are severely overweight according to the BMI. But to your
credit, you are a beginner.

> About a month ago I started a workout
> programme with a view to losing about 10-15 lb of fat and gaining
> muscle mass, just to look fit and a bit muscular, not like the Hulk or
> anything.

I must commend you on your desire to build those sought-after "long and
lean" muscles that are in vogue as of late. I hate those unsightly "bulky"
muscles that HIT retards want to get. I once became too bulky and the guys
at the bar were making fun of my 15-inch biceps. Lower poundages and more
reps and sets is the way to go.

> I've also restricted my diet to around 1800 kcals per day.

1800 calories a day is sufficient to get yourself to look fab while at the
same time lose unsightly fat at the same time. Eventually, you should try
to get by with 1500 calories a day (to get a fabulous rippling and very
man-hot sixpack). Make sure you cut out red meats and fats and increase
your intake of wheat and other low-fat carbohydrates.

> Because of work/life constraints, I can only work out 4 days,
> Mon-Thurs, with Fri, Sat and Sun little or no proper exercise. Around
> the weekend, my diet would be less restricted also, though I try to
> remain careful enough about what I eat. I only have 1 hour each day to
> work out, so it usually consists of a combination of cardio work (25
> mins cross-trainer) with some machine
> presses, for arms, chest and shoulders. Try to get in an hours swimming
> in addition [or sometimes instead of] the workout days.

If I were you I would try to work out at least 6 days a week (take a
well-earned day off on the day of your choice). You don't want to
undertrain. Remember: the more you work out, the better. If you skip a
workout day, try to make up for it by trying to workout on your normally
scheduled off-day or increase the number of sets you do to make up for the
slack.

> My plan is to take Creatine to promote growth in muscle mass, take
> Maximuscle Thermobol capsules to keep my metabolism fast even though
> I've cut down on calorie intake, take Maximuscle Fattack to minimise
> the negative effects of getting home late and having a meal then [only
> chance I'll get]. I also ordered a pack of Guggul complex capsules
> because they came free, though I'm not really sure what benefit they
> have.

If you take supps, make sure that they are made by Weider--they are the
best. It's better to take supps to make up for the fact that you are
cutting out your calories.

> I'm only stating out - so I'm wondering if this sounds reasonable?
> Will it be effective? Should I concentrate more on other aspects of my
> workout.
>
> Any advice?

Remember the old Chinese adage: "The journey of a thousand miles begins with
the first step".

TTFN,
Tavington
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On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:06:12 -0700, "Tavington"
<tavington.DeleteThis@zsazsabinks.com> wrote:

>First off, you are severely overweight according to the BMI.

You're a moron.
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"Tavington" <tavington.TakeThisOut@zsazsabinks.com> wrote:

>>
>> About a month ago I started a workout
>> programme with a view to losing about 10-15 lb of fat and gaining
>> muscle mass, just to look fit and a bit muscular, not like the Hulk or
>> anything.
>
>I must commend you on your desire to build those sought-after "long and
>lean" muscles that are in vogue as of late. I hate those unsightly "bulky"
>muscles that HIT retards want to get. I once became too bulky and the guys
>at the bar were making fun of my 15-inch biceps. Lower poundages and more
>reps and sets is the way to go.

Wrong. The only way to long and lean muscles is the Pilates Method.
Be sure to find a fully certified instructor, and don't skimp on the
cost!

>> I've also restricted my diet to around 1800 kcals per day.
>
>1800 calories a day is sufficient to get yourself to look fab while at the
>same time lose unsightly fat at the same time. Eventually, you should try
>to get by with 1500 calories a day (to get a fabulous rippling and very
>man-hot sixpack). Make sure you cut out red meats and fats and increase
>your intake of wheat and other low-fat carbohydrates.

Wrong again. No diet is adequate unless it comprised mostly of the
wholesome goodness of raw fruits and vegetables, combined with
life-enriching properties of tender green sprouts, the "living food."
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"Tavington" <tavington DeleteThis @zsazsabinks.com> wrote in message
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You kill me. You don't post a lot, but when you do, it's pretty funny. Let's
just hope the noob's don't take you serious.
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Thanks lads [and possibly ladies] for the advice - and entertaining
banter - should come in useful.
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"Tavington" <tavington DeleteThis @zsazsabinks.com> wrote in message
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>> I am 25, 6' and 194lb/88kg.
>
> First off, you are severely overweight according to the BMI. But to your
> credit, you are a beginner.
>
>> About a month ago I started a workout
>> programme with a view to losing about 10-15 lb of fat and gaining
>> muscle mass, just to look fit and a bit muscular, not like the Hulk or
>> anything.
>
> I must commend you on your desire to build those sought-after "long and
> lean" muscles that are in vogue as of late. I hate those unsightly
> "bulky"
> muscles that HIT retards want to get. I once became too bulky and the
> guys
> at the bar were making fun of my 15-inch biceps. Lower poundages and more
> reps and sets is the way to go.
>
>> I've also restricted my diet to around 1800 kcals per day.
>
> 1800 calories a day is sufficient to get yourself to look fab while at the
> same time lose unsightly fat at the same time. Eventually, you should try
> to get by with 1500 calories a day (to get a fabulous rippling and very
> man-hot sixpack). Make sure you cut out red meats and fats and increase
> your intake of wheat and other low-fat carbohydrates.
>
>> Because of work/life constraints, I can only work out 4 days,
>> Mon-Thurs, with Fri, Sat and Sun little or no proper exercise. Around
>> the weekend, my diet would be less restricted also, though I try to
>> remain careful enough about what I eat. I only have 1 hour each day to
>> work out, so it usually consists of a combination of cardio work (25
>> mins cross-trainer) with some machine
>> presses, for arms, chest and shoulders. Try to get in an hours swimming
>> in addition [or sometimes instead of] the workout days.
>
> If I were you I would try to work out at least 6 days a week (take a
> well-earned day off on the day of your choice). You don't want to
> undertrain. Remember: the more you work out, the better. If you skip a
> workout day, try to make up for it by trying to workout on your normally
> scheduled off-day or increase the number of sets you do to make up for the
> slack.
>
>> My plan is to take Creatine to promote growth in muscle mass, take
>> Maximuscle Thermobol capsules to keep my metabolism fast even though
>> I've cut down on calorie intake, take Maximuscle Fattack to minimise
>> the negative effects of getting home late and having a meal then [only
>> chance I'll get]. I also ordered a pack of Guggul complex capsules
>> because they came free, though I'm not really sure what benefit they
>> have.
>
> If you take supps, make sure that they are made by Weider--they are the
> best. It's better to take supps to make up for the fact that you are
> cutting out your calories.
>
>> I'm only stating out - so I'm wondering if this sounds reasonable?
>> Will it be effective? Should I concentrate more on other aspects of my
>> workout.
>>
>> Any advice?
>
> Remember the old Chinese adage: "The journey of a thousand miles begins
> with
> the first step".

Excellent advice Tavington! If only I had your knowledge and expertise.
especially regarding those 'long and lean' muscles for which I have long
yearned.
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On 24 Feb 2006 05:54:34 -0800, "gibsonguitars" <gibsonpaul.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Thanks lads [and possibly ladies] for the advice - and entertaining
>banter - should come in useful.

Actually it should go:

Thanks ladys [and possibly lads] for the advice
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I want to grow some dope so I wish I could plant a whole field of
Tavington- the human excrement specialist
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John wrote:
> "Tavington" <tavington.DeleteThis@zsazsabinks.com> wrote in message
> news:43fe15ba$1_2@news.cybersurf.net...
>
> You kill me. You don't post a lot, but when you do, it's pretty funny. Let's
> just hope the noob's don't take you serious.

Artful trolls who take such pride in their craft seem to be a rarity
these days. Tav should be giving lessons.
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