Kettle ball dumbbell substitute?

"Steve Freides" <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
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> "Jason Earl" <jearl DeleteThis @xmission.com> wrote in message
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>> John Hanson <jhanson DeleteThis @northernlinks.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 16:02:12 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl DeleteThis @xmission.com>
>>> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>>
>>>>John Hanson <jhanson DeleteThis @northernlinks.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:32:54 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl DeleteThis @xmission.com>
>>>>> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Hard Bop Drums" <nospam DeleteThis @hardbopdrums.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve,
>>>>>>> I am being 100% serious here. When you look at yourself in the
>>>>>>> mirror and then examine how you train and eat, do you REALLY think
>>>>>>> it has been a success? Let's face it, I know many guys with HIV
>>>>>>> who make you look like Olive Oil. You don't even look like you
>>>>>>> work out. I realize that we all have different goals, but doesn't
>>>>>>> looking good mean anything to you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I understand that Steve bashing is all the rage on MFW, but this
>>>>>>statement is ridiculous.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't share Steve's goals, but you can't honestly say that he
>>>>>>doesn't look like he works out. Granted he weighs a buck fifty, but
>>>>>>I think that you would be hard pressed to find a guy in his fifties
>>>>>>that looks fitter.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Come to Masters Nationals and you'll see guys in their 70s who look
>>>>> fitter.
>>>>
>>>>Which is to say that if I took the cream of the crop of the entire
>>>>United States I would be able to find a handful of guys that looked
>>>>"more fit" (whatever that means) than Freides, adjusted for age.
>>>
>>> That's not what I said. I said you'd find guys twenty years older
>>> than Steve that look fitter. Pretty much everybody there looks
>>> fitter than Steve with the exception of a few super heavyweights.
>>>
>>> From two years ago. There's even a picture of Jason here:
>>> http://www.usapowerlifting.com/newsletter/25/results/2005masters_art.html
>>
>> I would tend to agree that powerlifters tend to look like fit if you
>> exclude the super heavyweights. That's definitely the group that *I*
>> want to fit in with.
>>
>>>>I think that pretty much proves my point. If the place to find people
>>>>fitter than Freides is at a National Master's tournament then Freides
>>>>can't be doing that bad of a job at this whole fitness thing.
>>>
>>> That would be Masters Nationals and according to Steve's accounts of
>>> his training, he trains more than nearly all of those guys.
>>
>> Lots of people spend a lot of time in the gym.
>>
>>>>The fact of the matter is that if you read Steve's story for the first
>>>>time today you'd probably even find it to be inspirational. Going
>>>>from being hospitalized with back problems to deadlifting nearly 2.5
>>>>times your body weight (at over 50) is a pretty neat trick. It's not
>>>>going to land you in the Guinness book of world records or anything,
>>>>but it's hardly typical.
>>>
>>> Not really. There are far more inspirational stories than Steves.
>>
>> I am not trying to say that Steve's story would change your life or
>> anything.
>>
>> I suppose I find him inspirational simply because he has been a
>> catalyst to get my own lifts up. It's hard to feel like you are
>> making progress when Freides can lift more than you can.
>>
>>>>If it wasn't for Steve's fixation on kettlebells we wouldn't even be
>>>>having the conversation. You'd agree with me that Steve looks
>>>>pretty fit for a guy that weighs 150 soaking wet. I'd crack a joke
>>>>about how I probably have a pair a shoes that weighs more than
>>>>Freides, and that would be it.
>>>
>>> No, he looks like a concentration camp survivor.
>>
>> That's going a little far. Say rather that he looks like a jockey or
>> perhaps a chimney sweep, one of the old kind that used to have to
>> actually get in the chimney. He looks well fed enough, just tiny.
>
> Most people who know me think I look like a runner, which is what I did
> for 20+ years, and that's fine with me.
>
> I train in the way I find works best for me, no more and no less. I am no
> more fixated on kettlebells than I'm "fixated" on putting one foot in
> front of the other when the doorbell rings. For my goals, a kettlebell is
> the implement of choice for most of my training, but I also do bodyweight
> exercises and barbell work on a regular basis as well.
>
> And if anyone doesn't like my goals, or my methods of achieving them,
> that's fine with me. I also like gefilte fish, not a common thing, I've
> been told. Somehow my taste in food seems to be much less
> controversial than my taste in exercise equipment. Go figure.
>
> None of that to you directly, Jason, just to this thread in general.
>
> Now I'm going to get back to the water in my basement (2nd time in 14
> years in this house, not too bad, but still not a whole lot of fun), and
> I'll check in on this love fest tomorrow.
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
>
>
>>>>That being said where and when is the National Master's tournament.
>>>>That probably would be fun to see.
>>>>
>>> Masters Nationals is in Milwaukee at the Four Points Sheraton the
>>> weekend of May 4, 5 and 6.
>>> http://wi-usapl.com/NewFiles/MASTER'S_NATIONALS_2007.html
>>
>> Thanks for the info. I appreciate it.

I don't think too many really care how you train or what equipment you use.
It's just that you represent yourself as an advisor or some kind of expert -
it is like buying hair restorer from a bald guy


>>
>> Jason
>
>

On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:38:05 GMT, "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:

>"Hobbes" <khobman800.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote
>> "Steve Freides" <steve.RemoveThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>> "Hobbes" <khobman800.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote >> > In article
>>> > "whitedogshitman" <validatpart.RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> How would one use a dumbbell in place of a kettle ball ? using a
>>> >> swinging technique?
>>> >>
>>> > Swing it. No real difference, in spite of what the purists argue. The
>>> > kettlebell has a narrower profile and fits through the legs easier. The
>>> > center of mass of the kettlebell is at the end of the axis of rotation
>>> > too, which makes it stable in a swing. But the same purists argue that
>>> > the instability of the kettlebell is an advantage in other movements,
>>> > so
>>> > you could argue a db provides instability training in swings.
>>> >
>>> > Point is that there is no real advantage to kettlebells over dumbbells.
>>> > They may work slightly better in some movements and not as well in
>>> > others. If you like them and use them, kettlebells are a good
>>> > investment. But they aren't necessary at all.
>>>
>>> I strongly disagree. Swing a kettlebell, then swing a dumbbell. Very
>>> different experiences. More to the point, swing each then see which
>>> you'd
>>> rather do if you had to pick. I don't know many who would pick the
>>> dumbbell
>>> over the kettlebell for swings.
>>
>> I've swung both. I prefer a kettlebell for swings, but in terms of
>> training effect there is little difference. I find it funny that
>> kettlebell cultists will argue that the off-balance nature of the
>> kettlebell is an advantage in some movements and yet in the swing the db
>> is more off-balance and that is now a disadvantage.
>
>Oh, that is just one example of such reasoning.
>
>Was this winter warmer than usual? Global warming.
>Was this winter cooler than usual? Global warming.
>Frogs dying off? Global warming.
>Frogs overpopulating? Global warming.
>
>David

No, frogs overpopulating are because of the damn Jews, remember?