Kettle ball dumbbell substitute?

In article <1176407828.949570.103770 RemoveThis @y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
"whitedogshitman" <validatpart RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> How would one use a dumbbell in place of a kettle ball ? using a
> swinging technique?
>

Swing it. No real difference, in spite of what the purists argue. The
kettlebell has a narrower profile and fits through the legs easier. The
center of mass of the kettlebell is at the end of the axis of rotation
too, which makes it stable in a swing. But the same purists argue that
the instability of the kettlebell is an advantage in other movements, so
you could argue a db provides instability training in swings.

Point is that there is no real advantage to kettlebells over dumbbells.
They may work slightly better in some movements and not as well in
others. If you like them and use them, kettlebells are a good
investment. But they aren't necessary at all.

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In article <587mdcF2g90koU1 DeleteThis @mid.individual.net>,
"Steve Freides" <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> "Hobbes" <khobman800 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:khobman800-7D1C9A.14324312042007@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> > In article <1176407828.949570.103770 DeleteThis @y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> > "whitedogshitman" <validatpart DeleteThis @yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> How would one use a dumbbell in place of a kettle ball ? using a
> >> swinging technique?
> >>
> >
> > Swing it. No real difference, in spite of what the purists argue. The
> > kettlebell has a narrower profile and fits through the legs easier. The
> > center of mass of the kettlebell is at the end of the axis of rotation
> > too, which makes it stable in a swing. But the same purists argue that
> > the instability of the kettlebell is an advantage in other movements, so
> > you could argue a db provides instability training in swings.
> >
> > Point is that there is no real advantage to kettlebells over dumbbells.
> > They may work slightly better in some movements and not as well in
> > others. If you like them and use them, kettlebells are a good
> > investment. But they aren't necessary at all.
>
> I strongly disagree. Swing a kettlebell, then swing a dumbbell. Very
> different experiences. More to the point, swing each then see which you'd
> rather do if you had to pick. I don't know many who would pick the dumbbell
> over the kettlebell for swings.

I've swung both. I prefer a kettlebell for swings, but in terms of
training effect there is little difference. I find it funny that
kettlebell cultists will argue that the off-balance nature of the
kettlebell is an advantage in some movements and yet in the swing the db
is more off-balance and that is now a disadvantage.

The simple fact is that there is nothing you can do with a kettlebell
that can't be done with a dumbbell. As a scientist I could take two
groups of athletes, train one group exclusively with dumbbells and the
other with kettlebells. If I used the same program for both groups at
the end of six months you couldn't tell me, without having them do
specific kettlebell or dumbbell movements, which group was which. There
would be no significant difference in training effect. Strength,
endurance and speed gains would be the same.

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Steve Freides wrote:
> "Hobbes" wrote
[...]

> > Point is that there is no real advantage
> > to kettlebells over dumbbells.<snip> If
> > you like them and use them, kettlebells
> > are a good investment. But they aren't
> > necessary at all.
>
> I strongly disagree. <snip>

Big surprise.

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"Hobbes" <khobman800 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote
> "Steve Freides" <steve RemoveThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>> "Hobbes" <khobman800 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote >> > In article
>> > "whitedogshitman" <validatpart RemoveThis @yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> >
>> >> How would one use a dumbbell in place of a kettle ball ? using a
>> >> swinging technique?
>> >>
>> > Swing it. No real difference, in spite of what the purists argue. The
>> > kettlebell has a narrower profile and fits through the legs easier. The
>> > center of mass of the kettlebell is at the end of the axis of rotation
>> > too, which makes it stable in a swing. But the same purists argue that
>> > the instability of the kettlebell is an advantage in other movements,
>> > so
>> > you could argue a db provides instability training in swings.
>> >
>> > Point is that there is no real advantage to kettlebells over dumbbells.
>> > They may work slightly better in some movements and not as well in
>> > others. If you like them and use them, kettlebells are a good
>> > investment. But they aren't necessary at all.
>>
>> I strongly disagree. Swing a kettlebell, then swing a dumbbell. Very
>> different experiences. More to the point, swing each then see which
>> you'd
>> rather do if you had to pick. I don't know many who would pick the
>> dumbbell
>> over the kettlebell for swings.
>
> I've swung both. I prefer a kettlebell for swings, but in terms of
> training effect there is little difference. I find it funny that
> kettlebell cultists will argue that the off-balance nature of the
> kettlebell is an advantage in some movements and yet in the swing the db
> is more off-balance and that is now a disadvantage.

Oh, that is just one example of such reasoning.

Was this winter warmer than usual? Global warming.
Was this winter cooler than usual? Global warming.
Frogs dying off? Global warming.
Frogs overpopulating? Global warming.

David
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On 13 Apr, 01:59, "Curt" <curtja... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> Steve Freides wrote:
> > "Hobbes" wrote
>
> [...]
>
> > > Point is that there is no real advantage
> > > to kettlebells over dumbbells.<snip> If
> > > you like them and use them, kettlebells
> > > are a good investment. But they aren't
> > > necessary at all.
>
> > I strongly disagree. <snip>
>
> Big surprise.
>
> --
> Curt

Who asked you ? Baldie!
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whitedogshitman <validatp....RemoveThis@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[...]

> Who asked you ? Baldie!

It's, it's like having a butler or a personal assistant!
whitegodshitman is my Blackberry or PDA for MFW - a handheld Kill File
Circumventer. First Sc(huh?) and now Freides.

Sweet.

Hugs,
Baldie

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On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:32:54 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl.RemoveThis@xmission.com>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>"Hard Bop Drums" <nospam.RemoveThis@hardbopdrums.com> writes:

>> Steve,
>> I am being 100% serious here. When you look at yourself in the
>> mirror and then examine how you train and eat, do you REALLY think
>> it has been a success? Let's face it, I know many guys with HIV who
>> make you look like Olive Oil. You don't even look like you work
>> out. I realize that we all have different goals, but doesn't looking
>> good mean anything to you?
>
>I understand that Steve bashing is all the rage on MFW, but this
>statement is ridiculous.
>
>I don't share Steve's goals, but you can't honestly say that he
>doesn't look like he works out. Granted he weighs a buck fifty, but I
>think that you would be hard pressed to find a guy in his fifties that
>looks fitter.
>
Come to Masters Nationals and you'll see guys in their 70s who look
fitter.
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John Hanson <jhanson.TakeThisOut@northernlinks.com> writes:

> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 09:32:54 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl.TakeThisOut@xmission.com>
> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
>>"Hard Bop Drums" <nospam.TakeThisOut@hardbopdrums.com> writes:
>
>>> Steve,
>>> I am being 100% serious here. When you look at yourself in the
>>> mirror and then examine how you train and eat, do you REALLY think
>>> it has been a success? Let's face it, I know many guys with HIV
>>> who make you look like Olive Oil. You don't even look like you
>>> work out. I realize that we all have different goals, but doesn't
>>> looking good mean anything to you?
>>
>>I understand that Steve bashing is all the rage on MFW, but this
>>statement is ridiculous.
>>
>>I don't share Steve's goals, but you can't honestly say that he
>>doesn't look like he works out. Granted he weighs a buck fifty, but
>>I think that you would be hard pressed to find a guy in his fifties
>>that looks fitter.
>>
> Come to Masters Nationals and you'll see guys in their 70s who look
> fitter.

Which is to say that if I took the cream of the crop of the entire
United States I would be able to find a handful of guys that looked
"more fit" (whatever that means) than Freides, adjusted for age.

I think that pretty much proves my point. If the place to find people
fitter than Freides is at a National Master's tournament then Freides
can't be doing that bad of a job at this whole fitness thing.

The fact of the matter is that if you read Steve's story for the first
time today you'd probably even find it to be inspirational. Going
from being hospitalized with back problems to deadlifting nearly 2.5
times your body weight (at over 50) is a pretty neat trick. It's not
going to land you in the Guinness book of world records or anything,
but it's hardly typical.

If it wasn't for Steve's fixation on kettlebells we wouldn't even be
having the conversation. You'd agree with me that Steve looks pretty
fit for a guy that weighs 150 soaking wet. I'd crack a joke about how
I probably have a pair a shoes that weighs more than Freides, and that
would be it.

That being said where and when is the National Master's tournament.
That probably would be fun to see.

Jason
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"Hard Bop Drums" <nospam.DeleteThis@hardbopdrums.com> wrote in message
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> Steve,
> I am being 100% serious here. When you look at yourself in the mirror and
> then examine how you train and eat, do you REALLY think it has been a
> success? Let's face it, I know many guys with HIV who make you look like
> Olive Oil. You don't even look like you work out. I realize that we all
> have different goals, but doesn't looking good mean anything to you?
>
> --
> Robert Schuh

At least Steve doesn't have to think twice about buying an extended
warranty................
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"Steve Freides" <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
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When I'm ready to start
> posing for pictures, I'll come to you for lessons but until that time,
> I'm content to live with the fact that you don't think I look like I work
> out, probably for the simple reason that I don't work out like you do. To
> each his own, and may you live long and prosper.

Now that last part was just cruel.

Steve, to quote the immortal Pusbag,

You have nothing to prove to an
unemployed, social security
disability receiving, soul-less,
white, Miles Davis jerking-off-to,
sickly, withered, aged-beyond-his-years,
diseased, stomach bleeding,
hypertensive, shriveled,
scarred, limp-dicked, Tribex using,
balding, Vulcan earred, Donny Osmond-looking,
fanny pack wearing, Weird Al Yankovic photo
posing, drug-addict,
multiple convicted felon, drug
couriering Torbjorn Akerfeldt Stooge,
pathetic-desperate-prescription-forging,
Valium-quaffing-sleeping-all-day,
Mike Massey bitch slapped, Nicole
Bass spanked, near death loser.

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"Steve Freides" <steve.RemoveThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
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> "ATP*" <waxwingslain.RemoveThis@azurepane.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Steve Freides" <steve.RemoveThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>> news:589fc9F2fmjnrU1@mid.individual.net...
>> When I'm ready to start
>>> posing for pictures, I'll come to you for lessons but until that
>>> time, I'm content to live with the fact that you don't think I look like
>>> I work out, probably for the simple reason that I don't work out like
>>> you do. To each his own, and may you live long and prosper.
>>
>> Now that last part was just cruel.
>>
>> Steve, to quote the immortal Pusbag,
>>
>> You have nothing to prove to an
>> unemployed, social security
>> disability receiving, soul-less,
>> white, Miles Davis jerking-off-to,
>> sickly, withered, aged-beyond-his-years,
>> diseased, stomach bleeding,
>> hypertensive, shriveled,
>> scarred, limp-dicked, Tribex using,
>> balding, Vulcan earred, Donny Osmond-looking,
>> fanny pack wearing, Weird Al Yankovic photo
>> posing, drug-addict,
>> multiple convicted felon, drug
>> couriering Torbjorn Akerfeldt Stooge,
>> pathetic-desperate-prescription-forging,
>> Valium-quaffing-sleeping-all-day,
>> Mike Massey bitch slapped, Nicole
>> Bass spanked, near death loser.
>
> Say it ain't so! Even one of those things being true would be pretty
> awful (although I have to admit I don't even understand all of them - I
> had to Google "tribex."
>
I don't believe he was actually spanked by Nicole Bass. Most of the others
are from Rob's own posts. The rest are opinion or just comedy based on stuff
in mfw over the years.
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"ATP*" <waxwingslain DeleteThis @azurepane.com> schreef:

> At least Steve doesn't have to think twice about buying an extended
> warranty................

Huh ?!?!?!

Not sure if i got that one.

Anyway, in the summer of 2002, i was the number 1 when it came to selling
extended warrantys.

If they only knew how...

In 2004, the company went bankrupt.

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"Pete" <phoutstra.RemoveThis@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> "ATP*" <waxwingslain.RemoveThis@azurepane.com> schreef:
>
>> At least Steve doesn't have to think twice about buying an extended
>> warranty................
>
> Huh ?!?!?!
>
> Not sure if i got that one.
>
The hard bop dumbass isn't going to live that long.
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