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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:45:22 GMT, "Kay" <Happy_One777 RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Kinda hard to get married if
>you aren't around hey?

Kinda hard to get hard too.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
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Kay wrote:
> The Bible tells me that Jesus
> died and rose to Heaven BEFORE ever marrying. Kinda hard to get married if
> you aren't around hey?

Cite, please.

Dally
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 07:03:09 -0400, "Bob Garrison"
<bobnsg63 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Kay" <Happy_One777 DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> The Bible tells me that Jesus
>> died and rose to Heaven BEFORE ever marrying.
>
>Where does the Bible say that?
>

Levitikus: 314

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
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> >> On Sun, 28 Aug 2005 20:10:14 GMT, Priscilla Ballou
> >> <vze23t8n.RemoveThis@verizon.net> wrote:
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> >> >What are you? Into incest?
> >>
> >> Jesus and Mary were married.
> >
> > Someone took their gullible pills before reading _DaVinci Code_.
>
> wy couldnt they have been married? just because it was in a popular book?
if
> someone named Jesus actually lived then it stands to reason that he was
> married. he was, after all, a handsome devil with a six pack abdomen and,
by
> all accounts, an accomplished vintner.
>

because by then he was dead! Duh!
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On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 08:25:15 -0400, Dally <Dally RemoveThis @myself.com> wrote:

>Cite, please.

Levitikus:314

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."
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Eating fish and drinking wine is healthy.



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In article <t50Re.726$Zp.35@lakeread04>, "dwåcôñ" <methane.DeleteThis@natural.gas>
wrote:

> Eating fish and drinking wine is healthy.

You are soooo totally correct!

And the right kind of wine is even low carb.
--
Om.

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Dally <Dally.DeleteThis@myself.com> wrote:

> Kay wrote:
> > The Bible tells me that Jesus
> > died and rose to Heaven BEFORE ever marrying. Kinda hard to get married if
> > you aren't around hey?
>
> Cite, please.

More of an argument from silence, I suppose. Acts 1:3-11 says that
during the time that Jesus spent with his disciples after returning from
the dead, he spent 40 days teaching them, then went up into heaven
(apparently literally, like a rocket taking off). No mention of a
marriage, which presumably, would've been pretty big news. The scene
ends with the disciples looking up into the sky, where Jesus had gone.

So there is no statement, afaik, that Jesus DIDN'T marry after his death
and resurrection. But at least with the constraints of the biblical
story, it would've been a pretty short marriage. But the argument from
silence cuts both ways, as there is no indication in the Bible that
Jesus ever did get married - at least in the usual human sense.

Fwiw, the Da Vinci Code is novel - a work of fiction - and is so
acknowledged by its author, Dan Brown. Here is a clip from his website:

HOW MUCH OF THIS NOVEL IS TRUE?
The Da Vinci Code is a novel and therefore a work of fiction. While the
book's characters and their actions are obviously not real, the artwork,
architecture, documents, and secret rituals depicted in this novel all
exist (for example, Leonardo Da Vinci's paintings, the Gnostic Gospels,
Hieros Gamos, etc.). These real elements are interpreted and debated by
fictional characters. While it is my belief that some of the theories
discussed by these characters may have merit, each individual reader
must explore these characters' viewpoints and come to his or her own
interpretations. My hope in writing this novel was that the story would
serve as a catalyst and a springboard for people to discuss the
important topics of faith, religion, and history.

BUT DOESN'T THE NOVEL'S "FACT" PAGE CLAIM THAT EVERY SINGLE WORD IN THIS
NOVEL IS HISTORICAL FACT?
If you read the "FACT" page, you will see it clearly states that the
documents, rituals, organization, artwork, and architecture in the novel
all exist. The "FACT" page makes no statement whatsoever about any of
the ancient theories discussed by fictional characters. Interpreting
those ideas is left to the reader.

Found at http://www.danbrown.com/novels/davinci_code/faqs.html
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Preacher wrote:
> Dally <Dally.DeleteThis@myself.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Kay wrote:
>>
>>>The Bible tells me that Jesus
>>>died and rose to Heaven BEFORE ever marrying. Kinda hard to get married if
>>>you aren't around hey?
>>
>>Cite, please.
>
>
> More of an argument from silence, I suppose. Acts 1:3-11 says that
> during the time that Jesus spent with his disciples after returning from
> the dead, he spent 40 days teaching them, then went up into heaven
> (apparently literally, like a rocket taking off). No mention of a
> marriage, which presumably, would've been pretty big news. The scene
> ends with the disciples looking up into the sky, where Jesus had gone.

Is there a cite saying he was unmarried at the time he was crucified?
Mary Magdalen stayed at his side during the crucifiction, then washed
him and sat shiva for him - all the roles of a wife.

The New Testament, as far as I recall, doesn't mention the names of his
siblings, either, including any sisters he might have had. There is
some reason to believe that Paul was touchy on that stuff and history is
written by the winners.

> So there is no statement, afaik, that Jesus DIDN'T marry after his death
> and resurrection. But at least with the constraints of the biblical
> story, it would've been a pretty short marriage. But the argument from
> silence cuts both ways, as there is no indication in the Bible that
> Jesus ever did get married - at least in the usual human sense.

Someone was there acting in the role of wife. It's an argument for him
having a wife.

>
> Fwiw, the Da Vinci Code is novel - a work of fiction - and is so
> acknowledged by its author, Dan Brown.

I am not citing Da Viinci Code as a source. I'm thinking more about the
scrolls thought to be written by Thomas.

Dally
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OmManiPadmeOmelet <Omelet RemoveThis @brokenegz.com> wrote:

> In article <t50Re.726$Zp.35@lakeread04>, "dwåcôñ" <methane RemoveThis @natural.gas>
> wrote:
>
> > Eating fish and drinking wine is healthy.
>
> You are soooo totally correct!
>
> And the right kind of wine is even low carb.

I'll have extra fish - preferably in the form of nigiri sushi - and you
can drink the wine.
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Dally <Dally RemoveThis @myself.com> wrote:

> Is there a cite saying he was unmarried at the time he was crucified?
> Mary Magdalen stayed at his side during the crucifiction, then washed
> him and sat shiva for him - all the roles of a wife.

His mother was present at the crucifixion as well, as was John; they
weren't all married to him. I'm not sure which washing you're referring
to, but Mary Magdalene never washes him by herself that I know of.

If you're referring to the anointing of Jesus' feet with perfume,
there's some doubt about whether Mary Magdalene was ever involved in
that at all. For instance, in John 12, it's Mary of Bethany.

> The New Testament, as far as I recall, doesn't mention the names of his
> siblings, either, including any sisters he might have had. There is
> some reason to believe that Paul was touchy on that stuff and history is
> written by the winners.

Try Matthew 13:55 - "He's just a carpenter's son, and we know Mary, his
mother, and his brothers -James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas." I think his
sisters are mentioned elsewhere, but not named.

But basically, you are conceding that this is an argument from silence.
And that's fine with me. There is, of course, a tradition that you're
depending on; it's just not one that is very well regarded by
historians.

> > So there is no statement, afaik, that Jesus DIDN'T marry after his death
> > and resurrection. But at least with the constraints of the biblical
> > story, it would've been a pretty short marriage. But the argument from
> > silence cuts both ways, as there is no indication in the Bible that
> > Jesus ever did get married - at least in the usual human sense.
>
> Someone was there acting in the role of wife. It's an argument for him
> having a wife.

I just disagree with that. There's not really any solid evidence that
Mary Magdalene was acting in the role of ANYONE'S wife, much less
Jesus'.

> > Fwiw, the Da Vinci Code is novel - a work of fiction - and is so
> > acknowledged by its author, Dan Brown.
>
> I am not citing Da Viinci Code as a source. I'm thinking more about the
> scrolls thought to be written by Thomas.

Are you referring to the Gospel of Thomas? If so, that's of arguable
value as a historical source. It certainly paints a different picture of
Jesus than the Gospel writers, in any case. Here's an example:

114 Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females don't
deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so
that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every
female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."

Also, I am unfamiliar with anything in the Gospel of Thomas that could
be construed as implying that Jesus was married; maybe you can cite?
Regardless, it is not part of the biblical story the original poster
referred to earlier ("The Bible tells me...").
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In article <1h241c9.173ixdlctp16N%nono@way.com>,
nono.TakeThisOut@way.com (Preacher) wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet <Omelet.TakeThisOut@brokenegz.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <t50Re.726$Zp.35@lakeread04>, "dwåcôñ" <methane.TakeThisOut@natural.gas>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Eating fish and drinking wine is healthy.
> >
> > You are soooo totally correct!
> >
> > And the right kind of wine is even low carb.
>
> I'll have extra fish - preferably in the form of nigiri sushi - and you
> can drink the wine.

The more for me, thanks!

I rather like Sashimi myself.
Hold the rice.

And the Wasabi......
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Om.

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OmManiPadmeOmelet <Omelet.TakeThisOut@brokenegz.com> wrote:

> In article <1h241c9.173ixdlctp16N%nono@way.com>,
> nono.TakeThisOut@way.com (Preacher) wrote:
>
> > OmManiPadmeOmelet <Omelet.TakeThisOut@brokenegz.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <t50Re.726$Zp.35@lakeread04>, "dwåcôñ" <methane.TakeThisOut@natural.gas>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Eating fish and drinking wine is healthy.
> > >
> > > You are soooo totally correct!
> > >
> > > And the right kind of wine is even low carb.
> >
> > I'll have extra fish - preferably in the form of nigiri sushi - and you
> > can drink the wine.
>
> The more for me, thanks!
>
> I rather like Sashimi myself.
> Hold the rice.
>
> And the Wasabi......

I can go that route too. Got a favorite fish or fishes?

I'm partial to salmon, tuna, yellowtail...
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