Increasing chest size

"Stephan Carydakis" <steph777.DeleteThis@netspace.net.au> schreef:

> I tried the 5x5 at gym today. I did flat bench, incline press, and cable
> flyes.

Add dips, drop the cable flyes.

Do them when you arte working in the 10-15 rep range.

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Pete wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1 RemoveThis @proteinbars.co.ok> schreef
>
> >> Because certain exercises can actually shape and mold a muscle...
>
> > Can it move the attachment point also?
>
> Sure.
>
> It can entirely alter the origin and insertion.
>
> Rumour has it that if you certain exercises, like leg spreaders, long
> enough, you can change your gender.
>
> Or start lactating at the very least...
>
ROTFLMAO!!!!

> Pete
>
> I assumed you OOs were so good at catching sarcasm...
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"Pete" <phoutstra DeleteThis @wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777 DeleteThis @netspace.net.au> schreef:
>
> > I tried the 5x5 at gym today. I did flat bench, incline press, and cable
> > flyes.
>
> Add dips, drop the cable flyes.
>

OK. But why? I thought that cable flyes would give me a 'wider' looking
chest.

> Do them when you arte working in the 10-15 rep range.
>

For the last 10 months my sets for every muscle group consist of 10x2 reps
for warmup, 8x3 for heavy, 10x1 for warm down. Since I have never changed
my workout and was reading of the need to chop it up a bit, I think I need a
change. I understand that lower reps of higher weights are better for size
and strength of muscle. Thats why I chose the 5x5 thing. When you say 10-15
reps are you saying that the 5x5 'method' doesn't work as well for dips and
that I should stick to higher reps for dips? If I do dips, I can add weight
and stick to my 5x5 trial yes?

Steph.

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"Stephan Carydakis" <steph777 DeleteThis @netspace.net.au> schreef:

>> Add dips, drop the cable flyes.

> OK. But why?

You are doing 5 X 5, right?

Cable flyes are a good exercise for pump, since they provide continues
tension, and isolate the pecs.

Dips are more suitable for the lower rep range.

> I thought that cable flyes would give me a 'wider' looking
> chest.

Eh... no, some people think that DB flyes do that. Arnold said so.
Cable flyes are supposed to develop the "inner pecs."

Personally, i think both are wrong. They *can* be good exercises,. but not
for the reasons usually given.

>> Do them when you arte working in the 10-15 rep range.

> For the last 10 months my sets for every muscle group consist of 10x2 reps
> for warmup, 8x3 for heavy, 10x1 for warm down. Since I have never changed
> my workout and was reading of the need to chop it up a bit, I think I need
> a
> change. I understand that lower reps of higher weights are better for
> size
> and strength of muscle. Thats why I chose the 5x5 thing. When you say
> 10-15
> reps are you saying that the 5x5 'method' doesn't work as well for dips
> and
> that I should stick to higher reps for dips?

If you can manage 15 reps doing dips thats fine. I would add weight and do
lower reps.

Isolation movements, IMO, are better done with a bit higher reps.

With compounds, i stay between 5-10. With isolations, that can be 10-15.

> If I do dips, I can add weight
> and stick to my 5x5 trial yes?

Yes, i would do that.

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"Bully" <bully1 DeleteThis @proteinbars.co.ok> schreef

>> OK. But why? I thought that cable flyes would give me a 'wider'
>> looking chest.

> How does that work?

Because certain exercises can actually shape and mold a muscle...

>> Do them when you arte working in the 10-15 rep range.


>> For the last 10 months my sets for every muscle group consist of 10x2
>> reps for warmup,

> 10 sets of 2 reps ?!?!

I think its 2 sets of 10 reps. I think...

Pete
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Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> "Pete" <phoutstra.RemoveThis@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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>> "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777.RemoveThis@netspace.net.au> schreef:
>>
>>> I tried the 5x5 at gym today. I did flat bench, incline press, and
>>> cable flyes.
>>
>> Add dips, drop the cable flyes.
>>
>
> OK. But why? I thought that cable flyes would give me a 'wider'
> looking chest.

How does that work?

>
>> Do them when you arte working in the 10-15 rep range.
>>
>
> For the last 10 months my sets for every muscle group consist of 10x2
> reps for warmup,

10 sets of 2 reps ?!?!

8x3 for heavy, 10x1 for warm down. Since I have
> never changed my workout and was reading of the need to chop it up a
> bit, I think I need a change. I understand that lower reps of
> higher weights are better for size and strength of muscle. Thats why
> I chose the 5x5 thing. When you say 10-15 reps are you saying that
> the 5x5 'method' doesn't work as well for dips and that I should
> stick to higher reps for dips? If I do dips, I can add weight and
> stick to my 5x5 trial yes?
>
> Steph.
>
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>> Pete



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"Bully" <bully1 RemoveThis @proteinbars.co.ok> schreef

>> Because certain exercises can actually shape and mold a muscle...

> Can it move the attachment point also?

Sure.

It can entirely alter the origin and insertion.

Rumour has it that if you certain exercises, like leg spreaders, long
enough, you can change your gender.

Or start lactating at the very least...

Pete

I assumed you OOs were so good at catching sarcasm...
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Pete wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1.RemoveThis@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef
>
>>> OK. But why? I thought that cable flyes would give me a 'wider'
>>> looking chest.
>
>> How does that work?
>
> Because certain exercises can actually shape and mold a muscle...

Can it move the attachment point also?

>
>>> Do them when you arte working in the 10-15 rep range.
>
>
>>> For the last 10 months my sets for every muscle group consist of
>>> 10x2 reps for warmup,
>
>> 10 sets of 2 reps ?!?!
>
> I think its 2 sets of 10 reps. I think...
>
> Pete



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"Pete" <phoutstra.TakeThisOut@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> "Bully" <bully1.TakeThisOut@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef
>
> >> OK. But why? I thought that cable flyes would give me a 'wider'
> >> looking chest.
>
> > How does that work?
>
> Because certain exercises can actually shape and mold a muscle...
>
> >> Do them when you arte working in the 10-15 rep range.
>
>
> >> For the last 10 months my sets for every muscle group consist of 10x2
> >> reps for warmup,
>
> > 10 sets of 2 reps ?!?!
>
> I think its 2 sets of 10 reps. I think...
>

Yes!

> Pete
>
>
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"Pete" <phoutstra.TakeThisOut@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777.TakeThisOut@netspace.net.au> schreef:
>
> >> Add dips, drop the cable flyes.
>
> > OK. But why?
>
> You are doing 5 X 5, right?
>
> Cable flyes are a good exercise for pump, since they provide continues
> tension, and isolate the pecs.
>
> Dips are more suitable for the lower rep range.
>
> > I thought that cable flyes would give me a 'wider' looking
> > chest.
>
> Eh... no, some people think that DB flyes do that. Arnold said so.
> Cable flyes are supposed to develop the "inner pecs."
>

OK. Makes sense. At the part where you cross arms and squeeeeze your chest,
I feel a pump on the inner pecs. But It feels as if you hit the chest out
wide too. At the start of the movement, your hands are actually begind you a
tad and way out wide?

>
> Personally, i think both are wrong. They *can* be good exercises,. but
not
> for the reasons usually given.
>
> >> Do them when you arte working in the 10-15 rep range.
>
> > For the last 10 months my sets for every muscle group consist of 10x2
reps
> > for warmup, 8x3 for heavy, 10x1 for warm down. Since I have never
changed
> > my workout and was reading of the need to chop it up a bit, I think I
need
> > a
> > change. I understand that lower reps of higher weights are better for
> > size
> > and strength of muscle. Thats why I chose the 5x5 thing. When you say
> > 10-15
> > reps are you saying that the 5x5 'method' doesn't work as well for dips
> > and
> > that I should stick to higher reps for dips?
>
> If you can manage 15 reps doing dips thats fine. I would add weight and do
> lower reps.
>
> Isolation movements, IMO, are better done with a bit higher reps.
>
> With compounds, i stay between 5-10. With isolations, that can be 10-15.
>
> > If I do dips, I can add weight
> > and stick to my 5x5 trial yes?
>
> Yes, i would do that.
>

Cool. I'll give it a whirl around the block and see how it handles.

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Dnia 2006-12-05 Bully napisa³(a):
> Pete wrote:
>> "Bully" <bully1 RemoveThis @proteinbars.co.ok> schreef
>>
>>>> OK. But why? I thought that cable flyes would give me a 'wider'
>>>> looking chest.
>>
>>> How does that work?
>>
>> Because certain exercises can actually shape and mold a muscle...
>
> Can it move the attachment point also?

No, but it can emphasize one or the other attachment point, like long
head over short head, and the other way around. Science confirmed this
particular "superstition". A body is able to recruit parts of a motor
unit, lengthwise.

BTW - cable flyes do not emphasize width of chest muscles. At least
not without some tweaking of form. Dumbbell flyes could.

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Dnia 2006-12-05 Stephan Carydakis napisa³(a):
>
> "Pete" <phoutstra.DeleteThis@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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>>
>> > If I do dips, I can add weight
>> > and stick to my 5x5 trial yes?
>>
>> Yes, i would do that.
>>
>
> Cool. I'll give it a whirl around the block and see how it handles.

Just do not sacrifice depth for weight. To make dips good chest
exercise one should try to lean forward and go really deep.

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Dnia 2006-12-05 Bully napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> Dnia 2006-12-05 Bully napisa³(a):
>>> Pete wrote:
>>>> "Bully" <bully1 DeleteThis @proteinbars.co.ok> schreef
>>>>
>>>>>> OK. But why? I thought that cable flyes would give me a 'wider'
>>>>>> looking chest.
>>>>
>>>>> How does that work?
>>>>
>>>> Because certain exercises can actually shape and mold a muscle...
>>>
>>> Can it move the attachment point also?
>>
>> No, but it can emphasize one or the other attachment point, like long
>> head over short head, and the other way around.
>
> Agreed, but how does that create more "width" of the pec?

By increasing bulk of "outer chest", I think.

BTW - I was training Wing Chun for some time and my trainer told us,
that by doing a "form" often one will develop correct shape of chest
muscles, which doesn't limit important for Wing Chun ROM. The ideal
shape was a lot of inner chest, but not much outer, to make touching
both elbows possible. He had a chest like that, and after some time I
started to develop similar features about my pecs too. Funny thing, I
didn't believe him at the time.

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