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(Msg. 31) Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 3:39 am
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me wrote: [snip]
> I would like some advise on how to
> lose over 200 pounds
[snip]
> I am female, 5'3 and approximately
> 400 pounds and age 43
[snip]
> I had a mild heart attack last yea
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> 1. How much and how often should I
> do cardio on a weekly basis?
[snip]
I read the entire thread and didn't see any pointers toward gastro.
Here's an unattributed quote from another newsgroup:
"count your blessings, [snip MFW patron's name]. gastric bypass (or
any other form of weight loss surgery) isn't for *most* people.
believe me, if i only needed to lose 50lbs, i'd not even be considering
weight loss surgery. most surgeons won't even consider talking to a
patient that needs to lose less than 100lbs, and that's only after
other attempts at weight loss have failed.
gastric surgery isn't for everyone, and for a long time, i didn't think
it was for me. after researching the hell out of it, and following
other people's stories and experiences, i decided that i was at a point
in my life where the risks of surgery are less than the risks of not
having surgery. some people are lucky and can lose weight on their
own. i've tried, multiple times, and i can't. it's not a matter of
will power, it's not a matter of exercising. contrary to popular
belief, i don't live with my head in the fridge. i need help getting
this weight off, and after research and reading, i found the best
possible help, for me."
/quote
J., I can offer you attribution via email, but can say here that I've
met this person and have seen them change dramatically as well as,
apparently, with no adverse effects.
I would suggest leaving Hamilton if there is such a shortage as you
describe elsewhere in this thread. You're having chest pains from
something as simple as typing and no doctor in Hamilton, Ontario will
see you? Outrageous. I suppose they'll see you if you're dead. "That's
nice. Thanks, doc."
Cardio? I wouldn't do anything until I get an actual doctor give you an
actual greenlight in addition to an actual effing plan to work.
Weights? Again, I'd wait on a doctor's okay.
Diet? You've been given a lot of info in this thread already. I'll add
water, water, water!
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 3:48 am
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On Tue, 10 May 2005 19:44:50 -0000, rwk.RemoveThis@LinxNet.com (Runs With Knives)
wrote:
>Losing 20 or 200, It's all the same: Ultimately you have to burn more
>calories than you consume. This will cause your body to start
>burning stored energy (fat).
Okay. 
>As I understand it, it's difficult to do too much cardio.
I don't plan to run daily marathons. I thought I would start with a 15
to 30 minute walk every day.
>When I started-in to health training back at the beginning of March,
>after not having done any serious athletic training of any kind for
>the last 12+ years, I started-out with settings on the weight
>machines that allowed me to do a *very* easy dozen reps or so. Part
>of getting into this is getting your body used to the motions. Then,
>on every visit, I bumped each machine by 5-10 pounds each until I got
>to the point where I was having to work at it a *bit*. I left them
>at those settings for a week or so, *then* started pushing increasing
>harder on each visit until I was really working at it. Slowly
>ramping-up like that resulted in a relatively painless transition
>from nearly complete slug into starting to get fit .
I'm at slug status. Godd advise. Thanks!!
>I simply keep fresh water near me at all times. When I'm thirsty: I
>drink. I don't really keep track of how much I drink.
I know how much it is because I drink from a 500 ml water bottle and I
drink 4 of them a day. One with breakfast. One with lunch and one for
dinner and one in the evening.
>Did your doctor give you any guidance on *how* *hard* you could work
>out?
No. None at all.
> Having suffered a mild heart-attack, I would think this
>important. You might wish to invest in a heart rate monitor. You
>don't need one of those hideously expensive ones that interface to
>your computer and all. Something like the Polar M32 I have should
>suffice.
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 6:13 am
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 6:23 am
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In article <8nb28117rhuombsgjah3a43ne6lv1jf5et.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
"me" <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com> writes:
[snip]
I am not a doctor. Or, indeed, a health professional of any kind.
But I saw several things in your comments that gave me pause.
> ... I put my finger on a possible 2 times where
> I might have had the attack but the funny thing was in either case
> there was no chest pains. I simply felt like my body was working
> against me and I put it down to age and lack of exercise. (42 at that
> time)
IIRC, recent studies have shown that women more often than not
experience symptoms quite unlike those men experience during
a heart episode.
>
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> I ask if I can do some exercise as long
> as I am slow at it. He says okay. This gets even better now..........
Um, is this the "doctor's okay" to which you referred earlier?
That's not much of an endorsement, seems to me.
>
[snip]
> I still have no idea what is wrong and
> have had some chest twinges when just sitting reading. No pain but
> it does feel like pressure from within and only lasts a few seconds.
> It is also a little difficult to breath when this occurs but it passes
> within seconds.
[snip]
>
I think you should find a doctor that will listen to you *now*.
That does not sound good to me. I would certainly think twice
about embarking on any exercise regimen until doing so.
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 6:23 am
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On Wed, 11 May 2005 03:23:04 -0000, rwk DeleteThis @LinxNet.com (Runs With Knives)
wrote:
>IIRC, recent studies have shown that women more often than not
>experience symptoms quite unlike those men experience during
>a heart episode.
I have read similiar things as well.
>Um, is this the "doctor's okay" to which you referred earlier?
Yes.
>That's not much of an endorsement, seems to me.
It wasn't. The guy was a total jerk more concerned about his income
then his patient's wellbeing. Too bad he looks like Marcus Welby.
>I think you should find a doctor that will listen to you *now*.
Trust me, I *am* looking.
>That does not sound good to me. I would certainly think twice
>about embarking on any exercise regimen until doing so.
I am okay with walking. I have no problems doing that and can do it
until my feet and legs tire out. I have not tried swimming yet but
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 12:36 pm
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On 11 May 2005 00:39:46 -0700, "Curt James" <curtjames.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>
wrote:
>I read the entire thread and didn't see any pointers toward gastro.
And you never will. I will *NOT* have that surgery. As far as I am
concerned it *is* mutilation of the body and you have to learn portion
control and do exercise anyway afterwards so I might as will do what
is necessary of me NOW then waiting to do it if I had the surgery.
>I would suggest leaving Hamilton if there is such a shortage as you
>describe elsewhere in this thread.
I would *love* to leave Hamilton asap *but* my 14 year old son is in
an educational program here for kids with learning disabilitities that
*he* needs to be in and once he has completed it to the school's
satisfaction we are moving. It took 3 years of school meetings etc to
get him into that program and I will not move until he is finished it.
>You're having chest pains from
>something as simple as typing
I never said that.
> and no doctor in Hamilton, Ontario will
>see you?
I said I was *told* no cardiologist in Hamilton will see me
by one *family* doctor...one *source*. I am looking for a new family
doctor now.
>Cardio? I wouldn't do anything until I get an actual doctor give you an
>actual greenlight in addition to an actual effing plan to work.
I can walk and I bet I can swim. Those are not hard to do.
>Diet? You've been given a lot of info in this thread already. I'll add
>water, water, water!
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 1:01 pm
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On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:10:53 -0400, nono.RemoveThis@way.com (Preacher) wrote:
>Just wanted to emphasize that it's worth being meticulous about tracking
>your food intake. Use fitday.com or something similar, and measure your
>food with cups and-or a scale.
Yes I already do this and have been for some time. I do not use Fitday
but I use a notebook and pencil to write everything that goes into my
mouth down (even if it is just a teaspoonful) and keep watch on my
carbs and calories.
> It seems to me that the key is getting
>your food intake under control, and it's so easy to fool oneself about
>how big portions are. As important as exercise is, no amount of cardio
>or weight training will make up for a bad diet.
I agree with everything you said here.
>Also, if you find it helpful, get connected to a group of people who
>will encourage you and keep you accountable.
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 1:14 pm
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me <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2005 10:10:53 -0400, nono.DeleteThis@way.com (Preacher) wrote:
>
> >Just wanted to emphasize that it's worth being meticulous about tracking
> >your food intake. Use fitday.com or something similar, and measure your
> >food with cups and-or a scale.
>
> Yes I already do this and have been for some time. I do not use Fitday
> but I use a notebook and pencil to write everything that goes into my
> mouth down (even if it is just a teaspoonful) and keep watch on my
> carbs and calories.
Hey, if you can do it manually, that works too. Just seems like a lot of
work to calculate calories and keep track of fat and protein intake
manually.
> >Also, if you find it helpful, get connected to a group of people who
> >will encourage you and keep you accountable.
>
> Such as?
What suits you? Someone here mentioned Weight Watchers, and iirc, you
weren't too keen on that idea. That's fine, though it's helped a lot of
my friends. Just knowing that they were going to get weighed once a week
in front of people, and to have a group where they could discuss their
food issues was helpful.
But there's no reason you couldn't do the same thing with a friend, or a
group of friends. It could be a diet group or a church group. There are
also support groups online, but I would encourage some sort of face to
face accountability. People online only know what you tell them; it's
too easy to hide. People that see you and watch you get weighed can know
things, even if you don't tell them.
My bottom line here is to do what works for you. Some people can lose
weight without a lot of accountability. But to lose on the order of
magnitude that you're describing, it's going to be a long haul, and
having a supportive community - one that will encourage you when you're
feeling down and kick you in the butt when you need it - can be a big
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 2:01 pm
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On Tue, 10 May 2005 21:59:13 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
<2larry2.TakeThisOut@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>Then there's the issue with her heart condition. She really needs to be
>under the care of a doctor for this kind of weight loss, and monitored
>regularly.
Well I found one. I have an appointment next week. I basically took
out the yellow pages and called every GP in the Hamilton area. I got
lucky after 32 calls.
> Basically, she needs to be willing to dedicate the next 3+ years
>of her life to this goal
I was thinking more along the lines of 4 years.
> At least she now knows what she's in for.
I've always known.
> rather
>have her be please with her progress at the end of one year instead of
>dI'd iscouraged because she isn't at 200 lbs by then.
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 2:01 pm
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me wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2005 21:59:13 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
> <2larry2 DeleteThis @2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
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>> Then there's the issue with her heart condition. She really needs
>> to be under the care of a doctor for this kind of weight loss, and
>> monitored regularly.
>
> Well I found one. I have an appointment next week. I basically took
> out the yellow pages and called every GP in the Hamilton area. I got
> lucky after 32 calls.
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>
>> Basically, she needs to be willing to dedicate the next 3+ years
>> of her life to this goal
>
> I was thinking more along the lines of 4 years.
>
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>> At least she now knows what she's in for.
>
> I've always known.
>
>> rather
>> have her be please with her progress at the end of one year instead
>> of dI'd iscouraged because she isn't at 200 lbs by then.
>
> I will let you know in one year starting tomorrow.
Glad you're going to take it on! Keep us updated on your progress. And,
post questions as they arise.
You've heard me mention Dally. Delenn is Dally. She would be a great asset
for you, and she has some impressive before and after photos. She knows her
stuff, so listen to her.
And you should take some before pictures as you start this venture. In a
few months, take some more and compare. When you see progress, you'll be
motivated to stay with it.
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 3:34 pm
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me wrote:
> On Tue, 10 May 2005 21:59:13 -0700, "Larry Hodges"
> <2larry2 DeleteThis @2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
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>>Then there's the issue with her heart condition. She really needs to be
>>under the care of a doctor for this kind of weight loss, and monitored
>>regularly.
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> Well I found one. I have an appointment next week. I basically took
> out the yellow pages and called every GP in the Hamilton area. I got
> lucky after 32 calls.
That's the same sort of "luck" you're going to use when you lose weight.
And people will come up to you in a few years and tell you exactly
that: "you're lucky that you can lose weight."
Uh, sure, "luck". Like all the effort at problem solving wasn't involved.
>> Basically, she needs to be willing to dedicate the next 3+ years
>>of her life to this goal
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>
> I was thinking more along the lines of 4 years.
I'm thinking more like the rest of your life, but that's no big deal,
since it's going to get easier the more you work at it. It took me
about a full year of different seasons to really feel like I had the
lifestyle changes well underway. I set myself little microgoals. For
example, I wanted to get to a place where I didn't argue with myself
about exercise. It had to be like brushing my teeth: just something I
did because it needed doing, not something that was subject to debate
each day. That took maybe three months to happen.
I really recommend coming up with some distinct, measurable goals. Get
so you can get behind the wheel of the car without it being pushed all
the way back. Get so you can tuck in a shirt. Stuff like that. Not
weight related, but lifestyle related. (Pick something meaningful to
you.) Then celebrate those milestones as you reach them.
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 4:13 pm
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Larry Hodges <2larry2.DeleteThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> > me <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Oh yeah...the doc gave me the greenlight on starting exercise but
> >> beyond that he wasn't a lot of help.
> >
> > You weigh FOUR HUNDRED POUNDS and your doctor is giving you this kind
> > of hands-off shitty advice?
> >
> > First thing I'd do is find another doctor.
>
> I was kind of thinking that myself.... :-/
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"The Queen of Cans and Jars" <dhrravr.TakeThisOut@ohatzhapu.bet> wrote in message
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> Larry Hodges <2larry2.TakeThisOut@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
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> > The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> > > me <nospam.TakeThisOut@nospam.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Oh yeah...the doc gave me the greenlight on starting exercise but
> > >> beyond that he wasn't a lot of help.
> > >
> > > You weigh FOUR HUNDRED POUNDS and your doctor is giving you this kind
> > > of hands-off shitty advice?
> > >
> > > First thing I'd do is find another doctor.
> >
> > I was kind of thinking that myself.... :-/
>
> It won't end up mattering if the OP is who I think she is, but it's
> still good advice for other people.
>
And of course, that is based on what the OP said.
It has been my experience that what most people say their doctor says, and
what was actually said, are worlds apart.
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The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
> Larry Hodges <2larry2.DeleteThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
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>> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>>> me <nospam.DeleteThis@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh yeah...the doc gave me the greenlight on starting exercise but
>>>> beyond that he wasn't a lot of help.
>>>
>>> You weigh FOUR HUNDRED POUNDS and your doctor is giving you this
>>> kind of hands-off shitty advice?
>>>
>>> First thing I'd do is find another doctor.
>>
>> I was kind of thinking that myself.... :-/
>
> It won't end up mattering if the OP is who I think she is, but it's
> still good advice for other people.
You know somthing the rest of us don't know? Cough it up girl.
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