Healthiest diets are low protein diets???

slyrobot.TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> Hey,
> I was reading up some info for my friend who suspects has spastic
> colon syndrom. Anyways, I came upon several articles that contained
> the following general info about diets:
>
> "[1] Unfortunately, starchy foods are the enemies in the current high
> protein/low carbohydrate fad diets. Please realize that an
> overwhelming number of research studies on the subject consistently
> show that the healthiest diets in the world, across all countries and
> cultures, are those high in complex carbohydrates and low in fat and
> protein (particularly from animal products). For numerous resources
> and references in this area, please consult the Physician's Committee
> for Responsible Medicine. Founded in 1985, the PCRM is a non-profit
> organization supported by over 5,000 physicians nationwide, dedicated
> to promoting preventive medicine. PCRM - 5100 Wisconsin Ave., Suite
> 400, Washington, D.C. 20016. Phone: 202-686-2210. Www.pcrm.org."
>
> Is it true that the healthiest diets in the world are those in high
> complex carbohydrates and low in protein? Maybe they are talking about
> people in sedatary lifestyles??

You need to define what's meant by 'healthiest', it's not always the same as
'best for my goals'. For example you could eat a calorie restricted diet
until you got down to 4% body fat. Towards the end of that your diet is not
healthy, because your body does not function particularly well at 4% body
fat; a healthy diet is a higher calorie diet, but you may need to lose fat
to make weight or whatever.

You also should be aware that a high protein diet is basically a rich man's
diet - most people globally cannot afford to eat any way but high carb. It
is then possible to screw up a high protein diet (by e.g. not eating enough
vegetables and ending up with a diet deficient in fibre and vitamins). So if
you look at what diet is eaten by most 'healthy' people the answer probably
is a high carb one. That doesn't mean that a high protein diet is
automatically bad, which the PCRM quoted above seem to have tried to pass
off.

If you look at the PCRM website, it's obvious that it's got a strong bias -
and http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/23 makes clear
how unsupported that bias is. One quote from the PCRM sums it up: "meat
consumption is just as dangerous to public health as tobacco use". Lunatic
fringe, ignore them.

Peter
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JMW <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> writes:
[snip]
> For the most part, PCRM is the work of one person, Neal Barnard, MD.
> Barnard has been warned by the AMA regarding false claims about his
> organization and dishonest tactics used in achieving their goals:
>
> http://www.naiaonline.org/body/pdfs/AMAcensuresPCRM.pdf

Awfully hypocritical of the AMA:

``The fact is that the public health establishment,
incarnated in the CDC, other government agencies and
the myriad of schools of public health, has been
sponsoring and conducting "gun research" for nearly two
decades that has been found to be biased,
result-oriented, and based on what has been
characterized by a number of serious investigators as
junk science.'' [1]

``The AMA has lent its name, logo, prestige, and
funding to the production of "educational" information
for its members and their patients (the booklet
includes a tear-out sheet to give to them) which is
scientifically unsound, politically biased, and
intellectually dishonest.'' [2]

``Dr. Richard Corlin, the new president of the American
Medical Association, started his term with a bang the
night of June 19. His inaugural address was devoted
entirely to the issue of gun violence. Unfortunately,
he simply repeated many of the myths and misconceptions
that have burdened the gun control movement.'' [3]

Looks to me like the AMA is hardly more credible than the PCRM. One
is inclined to wonder if it hasn't occurred to AMA's membership that
behaviour like this calls into question their judgement on *any*
issue?

[1] http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/5/3/23021.shtml
[2] http://www.dsgl.org/Articles/woolley.htm
[3] http://www.enterstageright.com/archive/articles/0601ama.htm

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dbastard.DeleteThis@LinxNet.com (Dopey Bastard) wrote:
> JMW <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> writes:
>[snip]
>> For the most part, PCRM is the work of one person, Neal Barnard, MD.
>> Barnard has been warned by the AMA regarding false claims about his
>> organization and dishonest tactics used in achieving their goals:
>>
>> http://www.naiaonline.org/body/pdfs/AMAcensuresPCRM.pdf
>
>Awfully hypocritical of the AMA:
>
> ``The fact is that the public health establishment,
> incarnated in the CDC, other government agencies and
> the myriad of schools of public health, has been
> sponsoring and conducting "gun research" for nearly two
> decades that has been found to be biased,
> result-oriented, and based on what has been
> characterized by a number of serious investigators as
> junk science.'' [1]
>
> ``The AMA has lent its name, logo, prestige, and
> funding to the production of "educational" information
> for its members and their patients (the booklet
> includes a tear-out sheet to give to them) which is
> scientifically unsound, politically biased, and
> intellectually dishonest.'' [2]
>
> ``Dr. Richard Corlin, the new president of the American
> Medical Association, started his term with a bang the
> night of June 19. His inaugural address was devoted
> entirely to the issue of gun violence. Unfortunately,
> he simply repeated many of the myths and misconceptions
> that have burdened the gun control movement.'' [3]
>
>Looks to me like the AMA is hardly more credible than the PCRM. One
>is inclined to wonder if it hasn't occurred to AMA's membership that
>behaviour like this calls into question their judgement on *any*
>issue?

If you want to implicitly lend credibility to PCRM by discrediting the
AMA, maybe you should look at PCRM's website, Jim. Hmmm?
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slyrobot.RemoveThis@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey,
> I was reading up some info for my friend who suspects has spastic
> colon syndrom. Anyways, I came upon several articles that contained the
> following general info about diets:
>
> "[1] Unfortunately, starchy foods are the enemies in the current high
> protein/low carbohydrate fad diets. Please realize that an overwhelming
> number of research studies on the subject consistently show that the
> healthiest diets in the world, across all countries and cultures, are
> those high in complex carbohydrates and low in fat and protein
> (particularly from animal products). For numerous resources and
> references in this area, please consult the Physician's Committee for
> Responsible Medicine. Founded in 1985, the PCRM is a non-profit
> organization supported by over 5,000 physicians nationwide, dedicated
> to promoting preventive medicine. PCRM - 5100 Wisconsin Ave., Suite
> 400, Washington, D.C. 20016. Phone: 202-686-2210. Www.pcrm.org."
>
> Is it true that the healthiest diets in the world are those in high
> complex carbohydrates and low in protein? Maybe they are talking about
> people in sedatary lifestyles??
>

No, it's oversimplified bullshit. The healthiest diets in the world are high in
fruits and vegetables, not pretzels.
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In article <812sf1dpvioqtpn52u61hd3gsqg84lbbrn.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
JMW <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> writes:
[snip]
>
> If you want to implicitly lend credibility to PCRM by discrediting the
> AMA, maybe you should look at PCRM's website, Jim. Hmmm?

Not at all! That wasn't an attempt to lend credibility to PCRM, but
to point out that one shouldn't necessarily credit the AMA with being
a font of accuracy and truth.

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dbastard.TakeThisOut@LinxNet.com (Dopey Bastard) wrote:

>In article <812sf1dpvioqtpn52u61hd3gsqg84lbbrn.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
> JMW <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> writes:
>[snip]
>>
>> If you want to implicitly lend credibility to PCRM by discrediting the
>> AMA, maybe you should look at PCRM's website, Jim. Hmmm?
>
>Not at all! That wasn't an attempt to lend credibility to PCRM, but
>to point out that one shouldn't necessarily credit the AMA with being
>a font of accuracy and truth.

So did you just see "AMA" and do a quick knee jerk, or did you
actually read the letter?
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In article <asasf1tlthu04tufh70scif6viqo1c8kvh.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
JMW <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> writes:
> dbastard.DeleteThis@LinxNet.com (Dopey Bastard) wrote:
>
>>In article <812sf1dpvioqtpn52u61hd3gsqg84lbbrn.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
>> JMW <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> writes:
>>[snip]
>>>
>>> If you want to implicitly lend credibility to PCRM by discrediting the
>>> AMA, maybe you should look at PCRM's website, Jim. Hmmm?
>>
>>Not at all! That wasn't an attempt to lend credibility to PCRM, but
>>to point out that one shouldn't necessarily credit the AMA with being
>>a font of accuracy and truth.
>
> So did you just see "AMA" and do a quick knee jerk, or did you
> actually read the letter?

I actually read the letter. Again: I'm *not* trying to say PCRM is
good because I feel AMA is not-so-good. Or that just because it's
from AMA it should immediately be disregarded. All I'm saying is
you can't believe *everything* AMA says just cuz it's the AMA.

It's much like the American (Some) Civil Liberties Union. They're
*mostly*, more-or-less right on most issues. But their complete and
utter disdain for the 2nd Amendment, and, to a lesser degree, some of
their strident views on the non-existent "separation between Church
and State" Constitutional prohibition, throws *any* judgement they
make into doubt, in *my* mind.

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