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karcan65

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 5:59 pm
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I have been exercising off and on for most of my adult life. Most
recently (for about the last two years) I have been doing 5-6 days a
week of cardio and weights. I break it down to 1/2 hour of cardio and
aprox. 1/2 hour of weights. I alternate days for upper and lower body
weights but always try to get in the 30 min. of cardio. The problem is
that I am really starting to dread my workout. Not so much the weights
because I can mix that up a bit but the cardio is pretty much limited
to the elliptical, treadmill or bike (and I don't care for stationary
bikes). I can't back off too much because I have a voracious appetite
and I will start gaining weight quickly if I don't keep up the pace.
BTW, I am a 41 year old female and I try to eat pretty heathly; as in
lots of whole grains, fruits, vegetables, protein, fiber, etc. I don't
know what to do to get my passion for my workout back. Does anyone
have any ideas or experience to share? Thanks in advance.

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:08 pm
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karcan65 wrote:
> The problem is that I am really starting to dread my workout.
> [....]
> the cardio is pretty much limited to the elliptical, treadmill or
> bike (and I don't care for stationary bikes)
> [....]
> Does anyone have any ideas or experience to share?

As you might imagine, the "right" solution depends very highly on the
individual. The following works for me.

First, I use an MP3 player that straps to my body (arm) and can hold
oodles of music. I go for the cheap and simple. But I see lots of
people with iPods. The point is: load up lots of music -- music that
makes your toe tap or that puts your might at rest, whichever suits
you.

Second, use a variety of cardio machines each session. I spend some
time on each machine of my choosing; in my case, that's treadmill,
stairmill and elliptical. I'm a sometime cyclist; but I, too, cannot
get enthusiastic about stationary bikes. However, if you like cycling
and your gym (or another gym) offers Spinning(tm) classes, you might
give it whirl Wink.

Third, for each machine, vary your routine. Even if you are using a
variable program mode now, consider trying other programs. Generally,
I don't use the programs. But I do vary my routine somewhat. However,
I might become a convert to programmed routines. Recently, in order to
improve specific performance, I took a trainer's advice and used the
hill program on an elliptical. I must admit that the hill cycles broke
up the "monotony" (although I am not bored yet).

Finally, if possible, you might consider shopping for another gym that
offers more machines. A step machine of some sort -- Stairmaster(tm)
or stairmill -- is not only good for developing other muscle groups,
but it is also good variety. Some people like rowing machines. (I
have never tried it.) I like the Nordic track (ski machine). But I
have not used one for a decade, and my gym does not offer it.

As a last resort, you might consider combining cardio with resistance
training by using a "circuit" of resistance machines. Even if your gym
does not have a group set aside, you can create your own "circuit". A
"circuit" is simply a set of machines that you move among fairly
quickly, doing just one or two sets each. Personally, I do not like
"circuits". I think they encourage you to use resistance in the wrong
way (fast instead of slow reps). Moreover, I believe there are better
ways to get a cardio workout. Nonetheless, many people promote
"circuits" as way of killing two birds with one stone. Hopefully that
is only figuratively Wink.

Good luck!

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2006 8:21 pm
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PS....

I wrote:
> Personally, I do not like "circuits". I think they encourage you
> to use resistance in the wrong way (fast instead of slow reps).

I should not have been so dismissive. Certainly fast reps have their
place in the scheme of things. But most people do them for the wrong
reason, and they never get around to doing slow reps.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:46 am
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Thanks for the tips. I do use music already. Actually music or an
audiobook. I would be completely lost without something to listen to.
My gym does in fact have Stairmasters and stepmills as well as the
other machines I mentioned. I just usually steer clear of those
because I find them very difficult. Particularly the mill. If I mixed
and matched my cardio as you suggested, how much time on each machine?
10 minutes? And do you have to push yourself to full capacity or is a
moderate pace just as effective? Also, would you recommend doing
weights in between the cardio sets or doing the cardio all at once and
then the weights or weights then cardio as the case may be.
I am really concerned because even the idea of getting outside for a
walk or a bike ride instead of going to the gym doesn't really appeal
to me anymore and that isn't good...
Is this a stage that most people who exercise regularly go through?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 1:52 pm
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karcan65 wrote:
> My gym does in fact have Stairmasters and stepmills as well as the
> other machines I mentioned. I just usually steer clear of those
> because I find them very difficult. Particularly the mill.

Well, that is what I was told, too. But when I started using the
stairmill (at a moderate pace: 69 steps/min), I discovered that it is
quite "easy". It certainly gets my heart rate up, but it is not as
hard on the legs as I expected. And I see people going m-u-c-h slower
(and faster, of course). So I would suggest that you continue to try
the stairmill, even for short periods of time (a few minutes).
Eventually, I suspect you will be able to handle it.

(PS: I find the Stairmaster m-u-c-h harder to use than the stairmill.
I am surprised.)

> If I mixed and matched my cardio as you suggested, how much time
> on each machine? 10 minutes?

That really is an individual choice. There is no magic formula -- as
long as you do not waste so much time moving from machine to machine
that you let your heart rate fall too much. Remember that what
distinguishes "aerobics" is that you __continuously__ keep your heart
rate up throughout the routine.

I would say a minimum of 10 min on the first machine. It takes about
that amount of time for your body to fully respond to the aerobic
demand. I strive for 10-15 min per machine. But if I am tired or
pushing myself, I might survive only 5 min on the stairmill Sad.

> And do you have to push yourself to full capacity or is a
> moderate pace just as effective?

Again, a very individual choice. The more you push yourself, the
better the results cardio-wise. But variability is good: alternating
moderate and high intensity. I do not do "intervals", even though I
know I should. I "warm up" at a moderate pace on the first machine,
push it on the second machine, then "cool down" at high-moderate pace
on the third machine. (Not really a cool-down because I move on to
other exercises afterwards.)

> Also, would you recommend doing
> weights in between the cardio sets or doing the cardio all at once and
> then the weights or weights then cardio as the case may be.

Again, an individual choice. Sorry if I'm sounding like a broken
record. But I believe there is no magic formula, contrary to those who
insist that there is only one right way to do things. Funny that no
one can agree on what the "one right way" is Wink.

I prefer to do all my cardio, then resistance or core exercises. The
reason is more psychological than physiological. I start with cardio
to get myself in the mood. Once I get into resistance and core
exercise, I am in a different mindset. Also, in my gym, the cardio
machines are in a separate part of the building. Walking back and
forth gives me too much down time.

However, a lot of people do alternatve. I can certainly see a benefit
if you are working only one part of the body in a session (e.g. abs,
upper body or lower body). I try to alternate within each session.

> I am really concerned because even the idea of getting outside for a
> walk or a bike ride instead of going to the gym doesn't really appeal
> to me anymore and that isn't good...
> Is this a stage that most people who exercise regularly go through?

I cannot speak for "most people". But I do have a similar problem.
For a time, I was cycling to the gym (20-25 min each direction), then
doing 35 min of cardio in the gym followed by 45-60 min of resistance
or core exercises. I loved it; but it took a lot out of me, both
physically and time-wise. And I do not want to give up my gym time for
cycling or exhilirating walk instead -- even though I know it is fine
and even a good thing to do.

So for me, it is not that "real activities" have become unappealing.
It is simply that I cannot figure out how to work them into my routine
without overdoing it, compromising my gym time, or leaving me with no
time for the rest of my life Wink. As you say, that is not good. I am
not motivated to solve the problem not, with the inclimate weather
approaching. I will work on in the spring. In the meantime, I will
try to work in some Spinning(tm) sessions.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Nov 02, 2006 4:38 pm
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Thanks again very much. All of this has been helpful at least as I
sort it out in my mind. Now I will need to put it into actual practice
going forward and hope that I can shake myself out of this fitness
stupor I seem to have gotten stuck in. I always feel so great after my
workouts. Of course you have to get through it in the first place to
get to the "after" part Smile
-Karen
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Fri Nov 03, 2006 10:29 am
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I think if you do too much of anything you will get bored of it. Have
you considered an alternative like doing a sport for a few months?
You'll find if you have a break from the gym your passion for it will
probably build up again.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:11 pm
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Thanks for the suggestion. However I am not much into sports. I have
made a few changes and seem to be doing a bit better. The problem with
taking a break from the gym is that I do work with weights regularly
and I have attained a certain amount of muscle mass that I do not want
to lose from not continuing to do my weight workout. In fact the
problem isn't getting myself to do the weights, it is the cardio that I
have a problem with. I did get out for a nice long bike ride today and
yesterday a walk on the beach. If I can just get past this slump I
should be ok.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:17 am
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karcan65 wrote:
> I have made a few changes and seem to be doing a bit better.

That's great. What's working for you?

> If I can just get past this slump I should be ok.

First, know that you will. Sometimes the hopeless feeling takes over
and prolongs the slump. So you need to realize that it is only
temporary and you will overcome it.

There can be so many reasons for it, it is difficult to offer
suggestions.

Are you drinking enough fluid while you exercise? Are you drinking
enough fluids before and afterwards? What are you drinking: plain
water or an electrolytic solution like Gatorade?

The slump during the cardio might actually be caused by the weight
training the previous session.

I encountered that problem myself. I increased my fluid intake before,
during and after exercise sessions. I now drink a diluted Gatorade
solution during the cardio part of my session. I also cut back the
weight that I was using, instead increasing reps to try to build
endurance. I believe I was increasing weight too quickly. I will add
the weight back after I achieve a certain level of endurance.
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:48 pm
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I drink tons of water. Usually more than the recommended 64 oz. and
that is spread out throughout the day. I am never without water at the
gym either. Do you think Gatorade would help?
I have gone to using different (cardio) machines to make up my 30-40
minutes of cardio. That breaks things up a bit and doesn't seem so
daunting. I can do 10 minutes of just about anything and then I am on
to something else. That has helped a great deal. The other day I went
for a brisk 3 mile walk on the beach - I live in SW Florida so it is a
great time of year for that. Yesterday I got out and rode my bike for
an hour, peddling most of the time. I hadn't done either of those
things for a while and it was a nice change.
I am concentrating on building lean muscle mass so I do as heavy a
weight as I can stand; usually two sets of 12 reps.
Today however, I did no cardio at all. I only did my lower body
weights (abs and legs). I feel like something is missing when I don't
do cardio but I just wasn't up for it today and besides my legs were a
bit shaky when I finished my workout so I know that I certainly got
something out of it.
I guess it is important to not be so stringent about it. I feel like
if I don't burn 400 calories during my cardio session at least 5 days a
week that I am going to gain weight. If I could get my appetite under
control it wouldn't be as much of an issue. Oh well, hopefully I will
snap out of the funk soon and get back to full capacity.
Thanks again.
-Karen
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 7:12 pm
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karcan65 wrote:
> I am never without water at the gym either.
> Do you think Gatorade would help?

Maybe; maybe not. First, I should say that I prefer not to use it.
Second, I should say that some electrolyte replacement is recommended
for strenuous exercise lasting over 1 hour. But having said that, I am
not convinced that Gatorade is the right thing for us; too much sugar,
IMHO. I dilute it: 1 part Gatorade to 3 parts water. That suits my
taste (physically). And of course, when I say "Gatorade", I mean
drinks like that. But at that dilution rate, it is unclear whether it
is really doing its job for me. Nonetheless, I do find that I can get
through my 2-hour gym workout much better when I drink the diluted
Gatorade. The benefit might be psychosomatic.

One important caveat: the sugar influx might upset your stomach.

> I feel like something is missing when I don't
> do cardio but I just wasn't up for it today

Don't beat yourself up about it. You are getting a terrific workout
over the course of the week. What happens on one day or another is not
that important (unless you are preparing for a marathon, the Tour de
France, etc ;->).

> If I could get my appetite under control it wouldn't be as much of an issue.

There could be medical reasons for that. I'm sure you know that, but I
thought I'd mention it anyway. You might not be hypo- or
hyperglycemic, but you might be experiencing similar symptoms if some
of your meals have a high glycemic index overall. It is not just about
sweets. And glucose regulation is only one medical problem that could
cause out-of-control appetite. Talk to your doctor about it.

> Oh well, hopefully I will
> snap out of the funk soon and get back to full capacity.

But give yourself time to do so. "All things in moderation". Good
luck!
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