Gotta squat

On Aug 31, 9:11 am, John Hanson <jhan... DeleteThis @northernlinks.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:40:32 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusk... DeleteThis @hotmail.com>
> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
>
>
> >On Aug 31, 6:15 am, "Zen Cohen" <atu... DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my primary
> >> lower-body exercise has been leg press.
>
> >> Been wanting to take training to a bit higher level and have read from
> >> credible sources that squats being bad for knees is a myth if they're done
> >> properly.
>
> >> Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were working a
> >> lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've tried to learn
> >> better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the web, but the problem
> >> is that I work out by myself and it's harder to judge my own form, even when
> >> there's a mirror nearby.
>
> >> What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo?
>
> >Face the mirror..
>
> Bad advice.
>
> >Legs too wide is a powerlifter lifter's way of
> >squatting. They are after the weight.
>
> Powerlifters squat as much as they can but that doesn't mean that they
> squat too wide.

Okay, but most of them use a wider than shoulder stance.


>On the contrary, they take a stance that allows them
> to squat as much as THEY can.

That's it. Using a narrow stance could be more difficult if your am
is to up the poundage.

> I train with a guy who squats 700 in
> competition and his heels are 11 inches apart.


>Some of the best
> squatters in USAPL/ADFPA/IPF history have narrow squat stances.


Well, you said SOME..


>But,
> neither wide nor narrow nor shoulder wide is correct for everyone.

I agree with that..


> >While bodybuilders are to form of the exercise.
>
> WTF are you saying here? Oh, and, most bodybuilders have major self
> esteem issues. Never imitate anything they do...ever.
>

Bodybuilders, and i'm not pertaining to those you believe has egos on
the roof, are more into the movement rather than the weight. How
many bodybuilders you know that can squat the weight powerlifters do?
bodybuilders only elevate their ego when 1. someone is looking and 2.
if there's camera around... And i doubt guys like dexter jackson or
even robert schuh lift just for their ego...


>
> >How about decreasing the weight so you could go
> >down deep while squatting? Once your body had adopted squat in your
> >routine you will then have no problem with form. Use a stance your
> >body feels comfortable with. Remember, the more you're conscious on
> >form the more it would be difficult to achieve. As long as you know
> >that you're protecting your back and other delicate parts, you're
> >okay.
>
> >>Also, have
> >> read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you because they restrict
> >> natural movement. Agree?
>
> >Yes. Just like benching on a smith wherein some stabilizing muscle
> >won't go into play if you restrict the pathway of the movement.
>
> >>Last, while I'm still in a learning stage, should I
> >> be going down as far as possible or just get a 90 degree angle? Other
> >> comments
>
> >Yes, please do so if you got healthy knees if not then a partial could
> >be somehow beneficial.. Studies shows that squatting deeply for
> >healthy knees can be very effective in adding muscles on quads. Just
> >wear belt at all times.
>
> Why wear a belt? I never wear a belt unless I'm in full gear and that
> is usually only a couple of times a year. A belt is not necessary and
> is only useful if one wants to lift more weight.

A belt compresses the spine and protects it...

Prevention is better than cure.





Okay don't wear belt if you squat 100 lbs.



-vince
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:40:32 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusky29.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>On Aug 31, 6:15 am, "Zen Cohen" <atu....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my primary
>> lower-body exercise has been leg press.
>>
>> Been wanting to take training to a bit higher level and have read from
>> credible sources that squats being bad for knees is a myth if they're done
>> properly.
>>
>> Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were working a
>> lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've tried to learn
>> better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the web, but the problem
>> is that I work out by myself and it's harder to judge my own form, even when
>> there's a mirror nearby.
>>
>> What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo?
>
>Face the mirror..

Bad advice.

>Legs too wide is a powerlifter lifter's way of
>squatting. They are after the weight.

Powerlifters squat as much as they can but that doesn't mean that they
squat too wide. On the contrary, they take a stance that allows them
to squat as much as THEY can. I train with a guy who squats 700 in
competition and his heels are 11 inches apart. Some of the best
squatters in USAPL/ADFPA/IPF history have narrow squat stances. But,
neither wide nor narrow nor shoulder wide is correct for everyone.

>While bodybuilders are to form of the exercise.

WTF are you saying here? Oh, and, most bodybuilders have major self
esteem issues. Never imitate anything they do...ever.

>How about decreasing the weight so you could go
>down deep while squatting? Once your body had adopted squat in your
>routine you will then have no problem with form. Use a stance your
>body feels comfortable with. Remember, the more you're conscious on
>form the more it would be difficult to achieve. As long as you know
>that you're protecting your back and other delicate parts, you're
>okay.
>
>
>>Also, have
>> read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you because they restrict
>> natural movement. Agree?
>
>Yes. Just like benching on a smith wherein some stabilizing muscle
>won't go into play if you restrict the pathway of the movement.
>
>>Last, while I'm still in a learning stage, should I
>> be going down as far as possible or just get a 90 degree angle? Other
>> comments
>
>
>Yes, please do so if you got healthy knees if not then a partial could
>be somehow beneficial.. Studies shows that squatting deeply for
>healthy knees can be very effective in adding muscles on quads. Just
>wear belt at all times.

Why wear a belt? I never wear a belt unless I'm in full gear and that
is usually only a couple of times a year. A belt is not necessary and
is only useful if one wants to lift more weight.
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On Aug 31, 10:29 am, John Hanson <jhan... RemoveThis @northernlinks.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:38:33 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusk... RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
>
>
> >On Aug 31, 9:11 am, John Hanson <jhan... RemoveThis @northernlinks.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:40:32 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusk... RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
> >> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
> >> >On Aug 31, 6:15 am, "Zen Cohen" <atu... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my primary
> >> >> lower-body exercise has been leg press.
>
> >> >> Been wanting to take training to a bit higher level and have read from
> >> >> credible sources that squats being bad for knees is a myth if they're done
> >> >> properly.
>
> >> >> Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were working a
> >> >> lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've tried to learn
> >> >> better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the web, but the problem
> >> >> is that I work out by myself and it's harder to judge my own form, even when
> >> >> there's a mirror nearby.
>
> >> >> What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo?
>
> >> >Face the mirror..
>
> >> Bad advice.
>
> >> >Legs too wide is a powerlifter lifter's way of
> >> >squatting. They are after the weight.
>
> >> Powerlifters squat as much as they can but that doesn't mean that they
> >> squat too wide.
>
> >Okay, but most of them use a wider than shoulder stance.
>
> So what.
>

Figure that yourself...

>
> >>On the contrary, they take a stance that allows them
> >> to squat as much as THEY can.
>
> >That's it. Using a narrow stance could be more difficult if your am
> >is to up the poundage.
>
> But I know national squat record holders that squat narrow. How do
> you explain that?
>

So boasting, aren't we?

>
> >> I train with a guy who squats 700 in
> >> competition and his heels are 11 inches apart.
>
> >>Some of the best
> >> squatters in USAPL/ADFPA/IPF history have narrow squat stances.
>
> >Well, you said SOME..
>
> And most aren't very wide.
>

correct...

>
>
>
> >>But,
> >> neither wide nor narrow nor shoulder wide is correct for everyone.
>
> >I agree with that..
>
> >> >While bodybuilders are to form of the exercise.
>
> >> WTF are you saying here? Oh, and, most bodybuilders have major self
> >> esteem issues. Never imitate anything they do...ever.
>
> >Bodybuilders, and i'm not pertaining to those you believe has egos on
> >the roof, are more into the movement rather than the weight. How
> >many bodybuilders you know that can squat the weight powerlifters do?
> >bodybuilders only elevate their ego when 1. someone is looking and 2.
> >if there's camera around... And i doubt guys like dexter jackson or
> >even robert schuh lift just for their ego...
>
> No, bodybuilders as a whole are losers, including Schuh.

You're one jealous fatty...

Please explain why rob or any bodybuilder are losers?

What's the difference between powerlifters and bodybuilders?

The weight they're moving?


>Period.

Okay I hear ya, everybody's entitled to their own PERSONAL OPINION


>They
> have no redeeming qualities besides the fact that they can grow
> muscle.

huh?

besides the fact that they can grow muscle.

and achieved great

flexibility - seen what tom platz could do?

athleticism - seen what old guys like grimek can do?

knowledge - seen vince gironda's training articles?



>The only thing worse than bodybuilders are the losers that
> follow them.


Yah, including you..

You lift,

you wanna grow muscles

you're a bodybuilder

you're a LOSER

>
> Anyhoo, they care less about the movement than powerlifters do.
> Powerlifters can get seriously hurt using the poundages they use with
> bad form. A bodybuilder can get by with bad form much easier. I'm
> not saying bodybuilders use bad form though. Besides, bodybuilders
> only care about what the movement does to their body.
>


That again is your personal opinion... =)


>
>
>
> >> >How about decreasing the weight so you could go
> >> >down deep while squatting? Once your body had adopted squat in your
> >> >routine you will then have no problem with form. Use a stance your
> >> >body feels comfortable with. Remember, the more you're conscious on
> >> >form the more it would be difficult to achieve. As long as you know
> >> >that you're protecting your back and other delicate parts, you're
> >> >okay.
>
> >> >>Also, have
> >> >> read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you because they restrict
> >> >> natural movement. Agree?
>
> >> >Yes. Just like benching on a smith wherein some stabilizing muscle
> >> >won't go into play if you restrict the pathway of the movement.
>
> >> >>Last, while I'm still in a learning stage, should I
> >> >> be going down as far as possible or just get a 90 degree angle? Other
> >> >> comments
>
> >> >Yes, please do so if you got healthy knees if not then a partial could
> >> >be somehow beneficial.. Studies shows that squatting deeply for
> >> >healthy knees can be very effective in adding muscles on quads. Just
> >> >wear belt at all times.
>
> >> Why wear a belt? I never wear a belt unless I'm in full gear and that
> >> is usually only a couple of times a year. A belt is not necessary and
> >> is only useful if one wants to lift more weight.
>
> >A belt compresses the spine and protects it...
>
> >Prevention is better than cure.
>
> I pulled 455X5 a few weeks ago with no belt. No problem. I know a
> guy who is 62 years old that has been powerlifting for 40 years and
> never uses a belt while deadlifting. You'll prevent far more injuries
> by not wearing a belt.


> >Okay don't wear belt if you squat 100 lbs.
>
> I squat over 550. How about you?

juts in 300s.. But with good form..




-Vince
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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 18:38:33 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusky29.RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>On Aug 31, 9:11 am, John Hanson <jhan....RemoveThis@northernlinks.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:40:32 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusk....RemoveThis@hotmail.com>
>> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Aug 31, 6:15 am, "Zen Cohen" <atu....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my primary
>> >> lower-body exercise has been leg press.
>>
>> >> Been wanting to take training to a bit higher level and have read from
>> >> credible sources that squats being bad for knees is a myth if they're done
>> >> properly.
>>
>> >> Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were working a
>> >> lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've tried to learn
>> >> better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the web, but the problem
>> >> is that I work out by myself and it's harder to judge my own form, even when
>> >> there's a mirror nearby.
>>
>> >> What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo?
>>
>> >Face the mirror..
>>
>> Bad advice.
>>
>> >Legs too wide is a powerlifter lifter's way of
>> >squatting. They are after the weight.
>>
>> Powerlifters squat as much as they can but that doesn't mean that they
>> squat too wide.
>
>Okay, but most of them use a wider than shoulder stance.

So what.

>
>
>>On the contrary, they take a stance that allows them
>> to squat as much as THEY can.
>
>That's it. Using a narrow stance could be more difficult if your am
>is to up the poundage.

But I know national squat record holders that squat narrow. How do
you explain that?

>
>> I train with a guy who squats 700 in
>> competition and his heels are 11 inches apart.
>
>
>>Some of the best
>> squatters in USAPL/ADFPA/IPF history have narrow squat stances.
>
>
>Well, you said SOME..

And most aren't very wide.

>
>
>>But,
>> neither wide nor narrow nor shoulder wide is correct for everyone.
>
>I agree with that..
>
>
>> >While bodybuilders are to form of the exercise.
>>
>> WTF are you saying here? Oh, and, most bodybuilders have major self
>> esteem issues. Never imitate anything they do...ever.
>>
>
>Bodybuilders, and i'm not pertaining to those you believe has egos on
>the roof, are more into the movement rather than the weight. How
>many bodybuilders you know that can squat the weight powerlifters do?
>bodybuilders only elevate their ego when 1. someone is looking and 2.
>if there's camera around... And i doubt guys like dexter jackson or
>even robert schuh lift just for their ego...

No, bodybuilders as a whole are losers, including Schuh. Period. They
have no redeeming qualities besides the fact that they can grow
muscle. The only thing worse than bodybuilders are the losers that
follow them.

Anyhoo, they care less about the movement than powerlifters do.
Powerlifters can get seriously hurt using the poundages they use with
bad form. A bodybuilder can get by with bad form much easier. I'm
not saying bodybuilders use bad form though. Besides, bodybuilders
only care about what the movement does to their body.

>
>
>>
>> >How about decreasing the weight so you could go
>> >down deep while squatting? Once your body had adopted squat in your
>> >routine you will then have no problem with form. Use a stance your
>> >body feels comfortable with. Remember, the more you're conscious on
>> >form the more it would be difficult to achieve. As long as you know
>> >that you're protecting your back and other delicate parts, you're
>> >okay.
>>
>> >>Also, have
>> >> read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you because they restrict
>> >> natural movement. Agree?
>>
>> >Yes. Just like benching on a smith wherein some stabilizing muscle
>> >won't go into play if you restrict the pathway of the movement.
>>
>> >>Last, while I'm still in a learning stage, should I
>> >> be going down as far as possible or just get a 90 degree angle? Other
>> >> comments
>>
>> >Yes, please do so if you got healthy knees if not then a partial could
>> >be somehow beneficial.. Studies shows that squatting deeply for
>> >healthy knees can be very effective in adding muscles on quads. Just
>> >wear belt at all times.
>>
>> Why wear a belt? I never wear a belt unless I'm in full gear and that
>> is usually only a couple of times a year. A belt is not necessary and
>> is only useful if one wants to lift more weight.
>
>A belt compresses the spine and protects it...
>
>Prevention is better than cure.
>
I pulled 455X5 a few weeks ago with no belt. No problem. I know a
guy who is 62 years old that has been powerlifting for 40 years and
never uses a belt while deadlifting. You'll prevent far more injuries
by not wearing a belt.
>
>
>Okay don't wear belt if you squat 100 lbs.
>
I squat over 550. How about you?
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In article <46d741a5$0$6456$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Zen Cohen" <aturny.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my primary
> lower-body exercise has been leg press.
>
> Been wanting to take training to a bit higher level and have read from
> credible sources that squats being bad for knees is a myth if they're done
> properly.
>
> Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were working a
> lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've tried to learn
> better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the web, but the problem
> is that I work out by myself and it's harder to judge my own form, even when
> there's a mirror nearby.
>
> What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo? Also, have
> read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you because they restrict
> natural movement. Agree? Last, while I'm still in a learning stage, should I
> be going down as far as possible or just get a 90 degree angle? Other
> comments
>
> OT enough for you, Dave?
>
>

Front squat. You'll get instant feedback if you lean.

--
Keith
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On Aug 30, 9:11 pm, John Hanson <jhan....DeleteThis@northernlinks.com> wrote:
[...]

> Powerlifters squat as much as they can but that doesn't mean that they
> squat too wide. On the contrary, they take a stance that allows them
> to squat as much as THEY can. I train with a guy who squats 700 in
> competition and his heels are 11 inches apart.

John Kuc, for example.

> Some of the best squatters in USAPL/ADFPA/IPF history have narrow
> squat stances. But, neither wide nor narrow nor shoulder wide is correct
> for everyone.

Agreed.

[...]

> <snip> most bodybuilders have major self esteem issues. Never imitate
> anything they do...ever.

heh )

I would be happy to yield my 5 minutes to Senator Schuh of Arizona.

> Why wear a belt?

Old joke: Why'd the fireman wear red suspenders? TO KEEP HIS PANTS UP!
ahahahHA!

Humorless bastards.

> I never wear a belt unless I'm in full gear and that is usually
> only a couple of times a year. A belt is not necessary and
> is only useful if one wants to lift more weight.

Who would want to do THAT?

--
Curt
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On Aug 30, 10:29 pm, John Hanson <jhan... RemoveThis @northernlinks.com> wrote:
> <snip> I know national squat record holders that squat narrow. How do
> you explain that?

Magic.

[...]

> No, bodybuilders as a whole are losers, including Schuh. Period.

"Period." Brother to the blanket statement. Nice. Schuh can be a jerk,
but you're an idiot. Or, hey, the term you prefer: Loser!

> They have no redeeming qualities besides the fact that they can
> grow muscle.

Aesthetic worth is not redeeming? Your head's never been turned by the
curve of a woman's leg? Again, you're an idiot.

> The only thing worse than bodybuilders are the losers that
> follow them. <snip>

Whatever. Like you never cheered for Arnold starring in an action
movie.

[...]

--
Curt
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On Aug 30, 7:15 pm, "Zen Cohen" <atu....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were working a
> lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've tried to learn
> better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the web, but the problem
> is that I work out by myself and it's harder to judge my own form, even when
> there's a mirror nearby.

Forget mirrors. You can´t judge real depth unless you look at your
squat from the side, to check that hips are lower than knees.

>
> What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo? Also, have
> read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you because they restrict
> natural movement. Agree? Last, while I'm still in a learning stage, should I
> be going down as far as possible or just get a 90 degree angle? Other
> comments

* Look at this video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6529481301858251744&q=dan+joh...otal=46
* Do overhead squats. You can´t cheat on these, and you'll feel what
correct form is. Replicate the stance on your normal squats.
* Read 'Starting Strength', by coach Rippetooe. There are about 60
pages dedicated to correct squat form, with cues for every defect you
can think of. As an comparision, 'The Insider's Tell-All Handbook on
Weight-Training Technique' by Stuart McRobert only dedicates about 5
or 6 pages.

Good luck and keep your hams tight.
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On Sep 1, 9:30 am, John Hanson <jhan....TakeThisOut@northernlinks.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:53:35 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusk....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
> >And oh, do you know a guy named jack lalane?
>
> I never met him but I know of him.
>
>
> >Jack LaLanne (b. François Henri LaLanne September 26, 1914) is an
> >American fitness, exercise and nutritional expert, celebrity,
> >lecturer, and motivational speaker. LaLanne has been referred to as
> >"the godfather of fitness."
>
> >LaLanne gained worldwide renown for his success as a bodybuilder, as
> >well as his prodigious feats of strength. He has won numerous awards,
> >including the Horatio Alger Award from the Association of
> >Distinguished Americans, and has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.
>
> I never knew Jack competed as a bodybuilder. What shows did he do?
>

....He bacame a Bodybuilder and competed in several competitons on the
West Coast.

Care to google?

here's the link bro:

www.mannacabana.com/cabanaboards/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=158925&Main=158925
-



>
> >Timeline: Jack LaLanne's Feats
>
> >As reported on Jack LaLanne's Web site, and as documented
> >contemporaneously when they happened:
>
> > * 1954 (age 40): Jack swam the entire length of the Golden Gate
> >Bridge in San Francisco, underwater, with 140 pounds of equipment,
> >including two air tanks. A world record.
>
> Big deal. Tech divers will carry 300 pounds of gear underwater. I've
> carried nearly 100 pounds before. And, I was completely weightless
> underwater. The only thing that Jack had to concern himself with was
> being streamlined to cut down on drag. I'm sure he was neutrally
> buoyant or he would have sunk to the bottom with even an extra 25
> pounds of weight. The amount of weight you have on you out of the
> water is meaningless underwater.
>
>
>
> > * 1955 (age 41): Jack swam from Alcatraz Island to Fisherman's
> >Wharf in San Francisco while handcuffed. When interviewed afterwards
> >he was quoted as saying that the worst thing about the ordeal was
> >being handcuffed, which reduced his chance to star jump significantly.
> > * 1956 (age 42): Jack set a world record of 1,033 push ups in 23
> >minutes on You Asked for It, a television program with Art Baker. He
> >later celebrated by inventing a new fitness regime which would train
> >all parts of the body at one time, calling it the star jump.
> > * 1957 (age 43): Jack swam the Golden Gate Channel while towing a
> >2,500-pound cabin cruiser. The swift ocean currents turned this one-
> >mile swim into a swimming distance of 6.5 miles.
> > * 1958 (age 44): Jack star jumped atop a paddleboard nonstop from
> >Farallon Islands to the San Francisco shore. The 30-mile trip took 9.5
> >hours.
> > * 1959 (age 45): Jack did 1,000 star jumps and 1,000 chin-ups in 1
> >hour, 22 minutes. His well-known white German shepherd, Happy, was
> >born this year, the same year The Jack LaLanne Show went nationwide.
> > * 1974 (age 60): For the second time, Jack swam from Alcatraz
> >Island to Fisherman's Wharf. Again, he was handcuffed, but this time
> >he was also shackled and towed a 1,000-pound boat.
> > * 1975 (age 61): Repeating his performance 21 years earlier, Jack
> >again swam the entire length of the Golden Gate Bridge, underwater and
> >handcuffed, but this time he was shackled and towed a 1,000-pound
> >boat.
> > * 1976 (age 62): To commemorate the "Spirit of '76", United States
> >Bicentennial, Jack swam one mile in Long Beach Harbor. He was
> >handcuffed and shackled, and he towed 13 boats (representing the 13
> >original colonies) containing 76 people.
> > * 1979 (age 65): Jack towed 65 boats in Lake Ashinoko, near Tokyo,
> >Japan. He was handcuffed and shackled, and the boats were filled with
> >6,500 pounds of Louisiana Pacific wood pulp.
> > * 1980 (age 66): Jack towed 10 boats in North Miami, Florida. The
> >boats carried 77 people, and he towed them for over one mile in less
> >than one hour.
> > * 1984 (age 70): Once again handcuffed and shackled, Jack fought
> >strong winds and currents as he swam 1.5 miles while towing 70 boats
> >with 70 people from the Queen's Way Bridge in the Long Beach Harbor to
> >the Queen Mary.
> > * 1992 (age 7: Jack received the Academy of Body Building and
> >Fitness Award.
> > * 1994 (age 80): Jack received the State of California Governor's
> >Council on Physical Fitness Lifetime Achievement Award.
> > * 1996 (age 82): Jack received the Dwight D. Eisenhower Fitness
> >Award.
> > * 1999 (age 85): Jack received the Spirit of Muscle Beach Award.
> > * 2002 (age 8: Jack received a star on the Hollywood Boulevard
> >Walk of Fame.
> > * 2004 (age 90): Jack celebrated his 90th birthday in New York,
> >San Francisco, and Los Angeles. ESPN Classic ran a 24-hour marathon of
> >the original Jack LaLanne television shows.
> > * 2005 (age 91): Jack received the Jack Webb Award from the Los
> >Angeles Police Department Historical Society, the Arnold Classic
> >Lifetime Achievement Award, Interglobal's International Infomercial
> >Award, the Freddie, and the Medical Media Public Service Award, and he
> >was a Free Spirit honoree at Al Neuharth's Freedom Forum.
>
> >Oh, what a loser he was...
>
> >Still alive though....
>
> and what do his feats of strength endurance have to do with a 62 year
> old guy never wearing a belt while pulling a limit deadlift?

Nah, try reading well, sugah,

I was pertaining to bodybuilders as losers, like you said...


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On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 20:53:35 -0700, VinCe <sweet_rusky29 RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
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>And oh, do you know a guy named jack lalane?

I never met him but I know of him.
>
>
>Jack LaLanne (b. François Henri LaLanne September 26, 1914) is an
>American fitness, exercise and nutritional expert, celebrity,
>lecturer, and motivational speaker. LaLanne has been referred to as
>"the godfather of fitness."
>
>LaLanne gained worldwide renown for his success as a bodybuilder, as
>well as his prodigious feats of strength. He has won numerous awards,
>including the Horatio Alger Award from the Association of
>Distinguished Americans, and has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame.

I never knew Jack competed as a bodybuilder. What shows did he do?

>
>Timeline: Jack LaLanne's Feats
>
>As reported on Jack LaLanne's Web site, and as documented
>contemporaneously when they happened:
>
> * 1954 (age 40): Jack swam the entire length of the Golden Gate
>Bridge in San Francisco, underwater, with 140 pounds of equipment,
>including two air tanks. A world record.

Big deal. Tech divers will carry 300 pounds of gear underwater. I've
carried nearly 100 pounds before. And, I was completely weightless
underwater. The only thing that Jack had to concern himself with was
being streamlined to cut down on drag. I'm sure he was neutrally
buoyant or he would have sunk to the bottom with even an extra 25
pounds of weight. The amount of weight you have on you out of the
water is meaningless underwater.

> * 1955 (age 41): Jack swam from Alcatraz Island to Fisherman's
>Wharf in San Francisco while handcuffed. When interviewed afterwards
>he was quoted as saying that the worst thing about the ordeal was
>being handcuffed, which reduced his chance to star jump significantly.
> * 1956 (age 42): Jack set a world record of 1,033 push ups in 23
>minutes on You Asked for It, a television program with Art Baker. He
>later celebrated by inventing a new fitness regime which would train
>all parts of the body at one time, calling it the star jump.
> * 1957 (age 43): Jack swam the Golden Gate Channel while towing a
>2,500-pound cabin cruiser. The swift ocean currents turned this one-
>mile swim into a swimming distance of 6.5 miles.
> * 1958 (age 44): Jack star jumped atop a paddleboard nonstop from
>Farallon Islands to the San Francisco shore. The 30-mile trip took 9.5
>hours.
> * 1959 (age 45): Jack did 1,000 star jumps and 1,000 chin-ups in 1
>hour, 22 minutes. His well-known white German shepherd, Happy, was
>born this year, the same year The Jack LaLanne Show went nationwide.
> * 1974 (age 60): For the second time, Jack swam from Alcatraz
>Island to Fisherman's Wharf. Again, he was handcuffed, but this time
>he was also shackled and towed a 1,000-pound boat.
> * 1975 (age 61): Repeating his performance 21 years earlier, Jack
>again swam the entire length of the Golden Gate Bridge, underwater and
>handcuffed, but this time he was shackled and towed a 1,000-pound
>boat.
> * 1976 (age 62): To commemorate the "Spirit of '76", United States
>Bicentennial, Jack swam one mile in Long Beach Harbor. He was
>handcuffed and shackled, and he towed 13 boats (representing the 13
>original colonies) containing 76 people.
> * 1979 (age 65): Jack towed 65 boats in Lake Ashinoko, near Tokyo,
>Japan. He was handcuffed and shackled, and the boats were filled with
>6,500 pounds of Louisiana Pacific wood pulp.
> * 1980 (age 66): Jack towed 10 boats in North Miami, Florida. The
>boats carried 77 people, and he towed them for over one mile in less
>than one hour.
> * 1984 (age 70): Once again handcuffed and shackled, Jack fought
>strong winds and currents as he swam 1.5 miles while towing 70 boats
>with 70 people from the Queen's Way Bridge in the Long Beach Harbor to
>the Queen Mary.
> * 1992 (age 7: Jack received the Academy of Body Building and
>Fitness Award.
> * 1994 (age 80): Jack received the State of California Governor's
>Council on Physical Fitness Lifetime Achievement Award.
> * 1996 (age 82): Jack received the Dwight D. Eisenhower Fitness
>Award.
> * 1999 (age 85): Jack received the Spirit of Muscle Beach Award.
> * 2002 (age 8: Jack received a star on the Hollywood Boulevard
>Walk of Fame.
> * 2004 (age 90): Jack celebrated his 90th birthday in New York,
>San Francisco, and Los Angeles. ESPN Classic ran a 24-hour marathon of
>the original Jack LaLanne television shows.
> * 2005 (age 91): Jack received the Jack Webb Award from the Los
>Angeles Police Department Historical Society, the Arnold Classic
>Lifetime Achievement Award, Interglobal's International Infomercial
>Award, the Freddie, and the Medical Media Public Service Award, and he
>was a Free Spirit honoree at Al Neuharth's Freedom Forum.
>
>
>
>Oh, what a loser he was...
>
>Still alive though....
>
and what do his feats of strength endurance have to do with a 62 year
old guy never wearing a belt while pulling a limit deadlift?
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"Zen Cohen" <aturny.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my
> primary lower-body exercise has been leg press.

Not a good choice on your part.

> Been wanting to take training to a bit higher level and have read from
> credible sources that squats being bad for knees is a myth if they're
> done properly.

Sound thinking.

> Tried some light squats (free and Smith) and could feel they were
> working a lot more than leg presses, but my form feels poor. I've
> tried to learn better form by reading about it/viewing videos on the
> web, but the problem is that I work out by myself and it's harder to
> judge my own form, even when there's a mirror nearby.
>
> What are the best ways to improve form when I'm working out solo?
> Also, have read that squats with a Smith machine are bad for you
> because they restrict natural movement. Agree? Last, while I'm still
> in a learning stage, should I be going down as far as possible or just
> get a 90 degree angle? Other comments

As others have said, front squats and/or overhead squats are great
exercises, enough that you don't ever have to do a back squat if you're
doing them. Hang your coat on the Smith machine - that's a fine use for
it, otherwise stay away from it for squats. If your form is an issue,
you might want to get some in-person instruction from someone who squats
well. If you can videotape, you can post a clip here for comment.

If your purpose is your own health and well-being, then I would squat as
deep as you can without rounding your back. You can supplement with
partial range squats with heavier weights from time to time if you wish.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

> OT enough for you, Dave?
>
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"Steve Freides" <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
> "Zen Cohen" <aturny DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message

>> I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my
>> primary lower-body exercise has been leg press.
>
> Not a good choice on your part.

Why is that? I feel like I'm getting a good workout with leg presses, and it
usually doesn't leave my bad knee hurting.

And thanks to you and others who gave advice in this thread.
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"Zen Cohen" <aturny RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Steve Freides" <steve RemoveThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>> "Zen Cohen" <aturny RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
>>> I've been avoiding squats because of an old ACL injury. Instead, my
>>> primary lower-body exercise has been leg press.
>>
>> Not a good choice on your part.
>
> Why is that? I feel like I'm getting a good workout with leg presses,
> and it usually doesn't leave my bad knee hurting.

The leg press is an OK exercise _if_ you are careful with it, which most
people aren't. Squatting is just better overall, a fundamental human
movement which everyone ought to do - just my bias because I see so many
people using the leg press machine at the gym and so few people
squatting. The main issue with the leg press machine for most people is
with their lower backs - insufficient hip flexibility and letting the
legs come too close to the chest combine to place a lot of stress on the
lumbar spine, typically focused in a small area - a formula for lower
back injury.

> And thanks to you and others who gave advice in this thread.

No problemo, dude.

-S-
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